d'ya every wonder how life carried on and on and on.....

[Kelly1978]

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Too much waffling, you know who you are

I jsut wanted to psot to say good luck hm, hope you can hold out, but it really sounds like things are moving. Jsut think you could be cuddled upw ith your baby by tomorrow morning!

Glad to hear dt2 is better, fg.

FG's brood! Quick before she removes them AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mars, you've cheered me up honey and the triple whisky chaser has singed the hairs from the parts DP will be glad for , happy christmas my love xx.

oh man, I missed the pic of FG's brood....pleeeease put it back up FG!!

Tracy - the HV left a message on my answerphone yesterday to say they would be in touch (now nearly 2 weeks since the midwife discharged me!). The trouble is I do not have a relationship with them as the HV has changed since the DTs were little. Infact the HV we had then was strange so I hope this new one will be better! And I havent seen an HV since the DTs were about a year old, as when I rang to ask about the 2 year check they said they dont really do it anymore!

I actually went out last night on my XMas girls night out. It wasnt bad but I left first of course at about 10.45 as I knew I would be up in the night and so I was at 11.30, 2 and 5.45! Am pleased I didnt have that last glass of wine now....

WEll the babe is awakening and making snuffly noises so had better go......

FG - re the feeling low - I am very up and down at the mo but feel guilty as I keep snapping at the twins which is making them behave more badly I am sure.Thank god DH comes home tonight for Xmas! And how do you know if you are just low or if you are depressed?

Well, I'll try and put it into words how it was for me.

Low - snappy, tearful, angry, grumpy, feeling overwhelmed, so tired you want someone else to come in and take over, pissed off, sarcastic humour

Depressed - sitting wondering how your life got to be such a mess and realising you could sit there for hours, not wanting to see anyone or go out and finding ways to avoid people, ignoring the doorbell because your face is in such a mess from crying for a long time, being bouncy, cheery and helpful to all men and getting home and feeling the opposite like you've taken a coat off, thinking that if you do a,b and c you are bound to feel better

Does that help? I bought myself a book on amazon when I was facing the same questions. It is easy to read in short bursts (which is all the time you have) and it comprises case studies of some women whose stories are completely different. It might help you investigate further.

It is called At Home No One Hears You Scream (I'm a sucker for a great title!), Surviving Post Natal Depression, by Cara Aitken. If you have no luck and would like it, I could post mine to you (I'm pleased to say my veil lifted after much self examination a little bit of counselling and resistance to pills). I will also try to link something that might help sort out your feelings too. Remember, you might feel low, you might feel depressed, either way its normal and you will change again xxx

have a read

My DP is home tonight for a week and a half so my posts might get sporadic but I'll keep an eye in.

Have bumped it!

You can always splurge on here my darlings! Am ready willing and able to listen.

Christmas kisses

Have bumped it!

You can always splurge on here my darlings! Am ready willing and able to listen.

Christmas kisses

Not having a very good morning. Drove ten miles to get some more paint for dd's doll's house and they didn't have any pink left. Going to have to tell her that santa's elves ran out of paint, whoops! Most of hte paint is all over the sofas nehow, since dt1 ran a car over my lovely pink windows and then ran the car all over the sofa!

Then got home and there was a letter from the OU failing me. God knows whats happened but they seem to have ignored all my applciations regarding special circumstances. I got an email a few days saying an email to me had gone awry but other than that I don't know what has happened. I'm faced with repeating the year.

Tried appluing to retake and it says registration has closed and they may not have any spaces left. Aaargh!

I'm scoffing big cakes from waitrose and trying not to be tempted to go out and get some fags!

ds is feelign a bit low too, he had his last day at preschool today. Off to BIG school in Jan. Poor boy, he loved preschool.

the dts are fine with being seperated though they have been looking for each other. Rav ran up to the gate lookign for Shay, asking 'car?...bed?....up?(stairs)....' So sweet. He had a lovely walk out with me today though, was lovely to be out with jsut one toddler (rather than 3/4 kids) for a change and being able to have a nice chat with him. Not sure he felt the same way, I had to drag him round waitrose on his reins, which he thought was hilarious, and then he started running aroudn the store like a maniac. I nearly lost him in the staff lift. Everyone was staring at us liek we were street entertainers, I should have passed a hat around!

I can't wait til sat. Only got the chicken, and veg left to buy and then I am going to be hibernating for a few days!

HM we haven't seen a HV since DTs were about 18mths I think, I keep wondering if I should get DTs weighed/measured officially, but not sure. Any ideas? About feeling low - my diagnosis from the doc was actually 'low mood' rather than depression. I went cos DH forced me after months of being totally miserable at work and I'd had a couple of days at home with the DTs as the nanny was off sick and I just couldn't face going back. After a few visits I saw a different doc (mine was off sick ) and he was more inclined to some sort of delayed PND I think, tried to steer me that way I felt (he has DTs himself, so that might be why ). I knew I was being a complete cow at home, everything was DTs' or DH's fault, I snapped at them, didn't want to do anything, wasn't sleeping even though exhausted.

I've just had my haircut and am looking quite chic, if I do say so myself shame DH is out for a christmas curry tonight...

hm, I'm not surprised you are feeling a bit lwo really. You've got a lot on your plate, and xmas fast approaching. I was dx with pnd after my first, took ads for a bit then st johns wort. I didn't find st johns wort that helpful tbh. It was 6 years ago, so I don't really remember much about it so can't really be a lot of help I'm afraid. I did get quite ill but it was more relationship based and once I left my exh and got back on my feet I improved a lot. The only things that I really found helped were to remember that it was a illness, and not to feel guilty about being ill, and to take one day at a time. In my lowest times, it really was jsut a case of getting through each day as it came. Can you get any more support from anywhere? Someone to help with the twins, or give you chance to get a bath and relax for an hour?

lapinrose, I wouldn't worry too mcuh about the twins weights. Mine have only been weighed once since they were born and that was only because I had no choice at their 2 mnth vax. As long as they are healthy, eating well and growing I don't worry.

and I want to see the haircut!

OMG Doris' twins are adorable and she really is superwoman. It was a lovely morning and I got some insight into what the future has instore. DD was not interested in the slightest and went off to her room to play and DS wanted to keep one of the twins and could barely drag himself away from Doris.

Leo I know exactly how you feel about being pg and having to try to entertain your little one. It's such hard work and impossible not to feel guilty when you don't have the energy or just can't run around.

HM for me, when I feel low it's tears and tantrums etc but only when no one is around. But when I was depressed I could barely drag myself out of bed in the morning, I hardly ever left the hosue unless it was essential and struggled to put on the act.

FG I can't believe I missed seeing your pic.

Kelly no advice re OU or paint removal but sounds like Rav is having a blast.

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Good news! I called the OU to find out what the hell they did with all my applciations and they 'found' them! I have to write in and they are fairly confident that I will be allowed to take the exam in April and not have to repeat the whoel year.

Fab news Kelly, hope that's cheered you up a bit! If your still need cheering up I can recommend a haircut, I feel great this pm and that's DESPITE period pain

ugh - I have just shut my 3 in one bedroom until tea time - I am sick of them trashing the place. I have just read them the riot act - at least they are quiet now.

I am really fed up of being a parent at the moment - I want life to disappear for a while.

On Friday the dog severed the ligament in her knee and can hardly walk - may have to be put down if it doesn't heal.

DT2 fell (or was pushed - not sure) up the stairs and knocked both upper front teeth - trip to A&E - and they will probably fall out over the next few weeks.

I am not sure I am going to survive the school holidays - this was only the first day (and we were are grannies until 2.30 !

Aaaarrrrggggggggggghhhhhh.

That feels better.

will use my 5 minutes of peace to start wading back through this thread to see what I have missed over the last few days.

I wish all of you lived round the corner so I could just come round and talk to you! You are all so lovely - lots of big hugs and kisses coming at you all from a Harrogate direction!

FG - the book sounds good, I will look out for it (and it sounds just like how I feel). If I cant find it then I would of course love to take you up on your offer of borrowing your copy. Are you able to CAT so that I dont have to put my address on the web? Well if not I can always just give you my email address and maybe then I can send you it more easily.

The HV finally came today. She apologised and said a complaint had gone into the hospital as they have not had any paperwork throughfor me so would not have called if I had not been in touch with them! Anyway, baby is now 8lb 8oz so is putting weight on properly, een though she does sound like she has just smoked 20 JOhn Player Specials.

Gotta go and get the boys from nursery. See y'all later.

Hi all!

Completely gutted that I didn't get down to see you Pixi and that I missed DD. Never mind. Will catch up with you shortly. (Am really hoping the DTs don't make a Christmas Day appearance... got my money on Dec 27th!)

I now have 4 children home. The 5th finishes tomorrow.

The DTs have systematically stripped the Christmas Tree. Anyone want more???????????

Strange to think that it's Christmas on Monday!

So let's start opening the Christmas fizz! I've a couple of crates of Mumm Cordon Bleu (throw back from my youth..... always wanted to buy my mum a bottle. Saved for bloody months to do that!)

Cheers! Clink!!!

I wish you all lived round the corner too. Can you imagine the havoc our kids (and us) could wreck??????? PMSL

cheers mars

throcken, hope it all sorts itself out for you, sounds a rough week! I regularly shut mien in their room to get a bit of peace, and I've currently sent dt2 away altogether to get some peace so I think I would thrash you in a worst mother competition.

Fingers crossed for the dog and for dt2. Hopefully the teeth wont fall out. DD had to go to a&e for the same thing, dt1 chipped one of his while at relatives, and I actually drove mine all the way through my lower lip and we still all have ours.

I couldn't survive if I don't shut them away at least once a day. Thank God for playgroup is all I can say.

My lovely French girl leaves me on Friday. I'm gonna have to stump up for babysitting again and my salsa will have to go back down to just twice a week.

Ah well.......... these things are sent to bore us!

jsut twice a week.

Yeah..... .just twice sob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

where do I get a french girl!! I've got to pay £20 a night for sitters because I want to go on a parenting course with dp No dancing for me.

But might manage an hour in the pub after.

Would you believe dd and ds have been fighting over dt1. When they have a dt each they don't want to know!