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Off to the jobcentre to discuss benefits etc...(help?)

112 replies

bronze · 20/03/2010 11:06

Going on monday with dh who is signing on. They will also be going through what we will be entitled to with us. What do I need to take with us?
Do I need to take details of tax credits, council tax etc?

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onadietcokebreak · 22/03/2010 15:20

whoops meant

When JSA assess the income based claim they look at whether the contributions is satisfied. If it is he is automatically entitled to that part of it and is paid £64. (this part lasts 26wks)

bronze · 22/03/2010 16:30

nope but I'm going to print it out an take it with us to the jsa interview (I'm going too to make sure he gets the benefits side sorted) when they ring and arrange it

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onadietcokebreak · 22/03/2010 16:47

LOL bronze.

I promise you if you arent working and receiving any other income/have properties that you dont live in

Its JSA income based that you claim.

You will also get council tax paid and free school meals.

ToccataAndFudge · 22/03/2010 17:58

XH continue to be paid contribution based when we got back together (but at couples rate) until he was moved over to income based after his 6 months on it were up, they then continued to pay at the same rate.

onadietcokebreak · 22/03/2010 18:00

Sorry Toccata I think you must have misunderstood. There is no couples rate contribution based.

Only single rate contributions based....the additional part for couple is from income based JSA.

After 26wks It all becomes income based JSA.

ToccataAndFudge · 22/03/2010 18:04

well it never mentioned income based in any of the letters

onadietcokebreak · 22/03/2010 18:18

It should have done...but you know what those letters are like!

bronze · 22/03/2010 18:19

well they rang and made another appointment for thursday
They tried to make it wednesday even though when he applied the one thing he had put was he couldn't do wednesday as he had an interview.
Doesn't give me much hope that they are capable of anything really

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onadietcokebreak · 22/03/2010 18:31

Thats about the right level of expectation to be honest.

The majority of staff have little training and very basic understand of the benefits system. No more than Joe Public....you are asked to ring the helpline who have basic training and 7 minutes to answer queries (and if they go over management are at their desk with stern faces)

Years of cuts have ensured the only thing that matters now is targets and not customer service.

Yoy get a small minority of staff that are complete gems and go out of their way but they arent appreciated by management and normally bullied out leave eventually.

The management way is firefighting - reacting to problems. Not looking at the bigger picture.

Rant over...glad I jumped Ship.

onadietcokebreak · 22/03/2010 18:32

Gosh I feel better now!

bronze · 22/03/2010 18:51
Grin
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missedith01 · 22/03/2010 19:07

If you called the CAB and they didn't do a full benefit check for you, I'd complain because they should have done. The system is confusing at best the first time you encounter it and CAB should have gone through all your circumstances and been able to give you an estaimate of what benefits you should get over the phone - there is usually no short answer to the question "to what am I entitled?"

Having read thru it seems the major confusion is between contribution-based JSA - they will always check if you are entitled to this, and income-based JSA - they should also check whether you are entitled to this and you may well be if you are not a single person w/o disability, mortgage, etc. You don't get less help for working for many years (or shouldn't) but some of the help you get might be in the form of cbJSA rather than ibJSA at first, because the former is taken into account as income when they check your eligibility for the later.

You always claim ibJSA as a couple - you can't avoid doing so and if you try, for example by not declaring a partner's income you risk overpayment and allegations of fraud.

Even if you aren't eligible for ibJSA at first, for example because your partner has income, if you have a mortgage you might shortly become eligible because after a few weeks you may be eligible for assistance with mortgage interest ... the way ibJSA is calculated is that it starts off from a notional figure based on your circumstances from which your income is deducted and you get paid the diff ... if your income exceeds your notional figure you get nothing from ibJSA. Once you become eligible for assistance with mortgage interest that adds an extra bit to the notional figure so there's more chance your income won't exceed it. In my experience it's necessary to chase DWP after the 13 week period to make sure they reassess you at that stage - don't assume they will do it automatically.

Assistance with Council Tax dealt with separately and Child Tax Credits also a separate issue. Working Tax Credit affects ibJSA though, and can run on after work ends, or you might continue to be eligible if a partner works so be very careful!

IMHO if you get WTC and might be eligible for ibJSA there's no substitute for a proper benefit check as the question of whether you're better off speaking to the Tax Credit Office immediately or waiting until the end of the tax year is not a simple one. Problem is that (where I am at least) local DWP offices have stopped doing full benefit advice and just send people to the CAB. CAB are often short-staffed and overwhelmed and so people often have no access to advice at all or the presenting question gets answered without the requisite degree of delving and explanation. Very unsatisfactory.

plum100 · 23/03/2010 13:58

Im way behind here but still trying to follow ...can I just clarify something...

This couple rate of ibjsa, can you only claim it if neither of you work? If yes, dont you both have to be looking for work to claim it.... e.g wife is a full time mum, dad loses job, still only dad looking for work though as mum will still look after baby. DO you still claim it then?

onadietcokebreak · 23/03/2010 14:20

The couple rate of JSA (IB) you claim if the main claimant is working less than 16hrs and the partner is working less than 24hrs.

The partner sometimes needs to be available for work - This is called a joint claim. Exceptions include caring responsibility and children.

plum100 · 23/03/2010 14:37

OK so does that mean we should be claiming it? Dh looking for full time work, I work part time eves and w/e approx 8 a week , and am not looking for / available for any extra work? I assume we shouldnt claim it, as I cant take any extra woirk on is that right?

onadietcokebreak · 23/03/2010 14:43

Plum. Yes you should claim it. If you will earning your earnings each fortnight. If the earnings end up nilling the income based element of it then they wont pay it. You partner should still receive the contribution based part of Jsa £64.

Remind me. Do you have mortgage? Are you going to be eligiable for maternity pay soon?

changearound · 23/03/2010 14:44

plum if your DH isn't worling he should be claiming IS JSA with you has a dependent.Until your youngest dc is 7 you don't have to be looking for work,only the person claiming i.e. DH.
You are allowed to earn 20 pounds per week.then anything over this amount is taken off your DH IS JSA.So if you earn 30 pounds they would take 10 pounds off JSA.

onadietcokebreak · 23/03/2010 14:49

Its £10 a week disregard for couples, £20 per week for Lone Parents.

Plum Can you please tell me your rough weekly earnings? If you are happy to disclose I can give you informed accurate advice.

plum100 · 24/03/2010 13:14

coke, I take home between £200-400 a month - it differs monthly. we do have a mortgage, i am elgiable for half maternity pay, but wont be having much mat leave as we cant afford it now.

onadietcokebreak · 24/03/2010 20:38

Plum. Claim Income based now. Will prob be nilled due to your earnings. This shows you are working less than 24hrs per week and the correct mortgage qualifying date should be calculated.

Hopefully Partner will get contribution based JSA. 13wks after claim start date do a review form and ask for income based and obtain an MI12 form to send to your lender.

It may only be a small amount or it could be more generous. I really wouldnt like to say. But if you are entitled to any at all make sure you looked at Sure start maternity grant and council tax benefit

plum100 · 25/03/2010 11:17

I dont understand how i can claim ibjsa, surely I have to be seeking a job, and Im not?

dennymosh · 25/03/2010 11:27

When we first started claiming, we were told that if you are a couple (married or not) that you have to make a joint claim as you are a couple and therefore not entitled to make a single claim.

We were told that the partner does not have to actively seek work if you have small children or are a carer but you can still work up to 24 hours a week.

You have to declare on a fortnightly basis whenthe main claimant signs on how much you have worked and how much you have been paid on the forms that they provide.

Any amount that that is earned over 10 pounds is deducted from the benefits paid to the main claimant but as it is a joint claim, the amount of benefit paid in the first place is increased to around 100 pounds a week per joint claim.

onadietcokebreak · 25/03/2010 12:10

dennymosh...thats is absolutley point on!

Only difference in your claim Plum is that the first 26wks your partner JSA wont drop below £64 as his contribution based part protects im.

Remind me Plum..do you currently have a child?

plum100 · 25/03/2010 16:41

Aha, think Im getting it. i have 2 children - expecting third.

So , If we were to get £102 a week joint claim, and i earn £50 a week, they would deduct that and give us 52. BUT as he is on contrbution based we would get £64 as thats the minimum due to being on cbjsa? Is that right
But im sure i read earlier that there is no joint contribution based?

Honestly this is so not straightforward.

If there is no joint claim cbjas, does that mean we would both have to claim seperatley, and if we id then surely I need to be actively seeking work?

By the way, dh went to the job centre and went through all his circumstances with him , and they have put him on cbjsa. SO surley they would have told us if I shouldve been claiming? Or at least they wouldve put him on the correct one?

God I wish he'd just get a job , this is awful.

onadietcokebreak · 25/03/2010 18:07

Plum100

First lesson: JC people are never the ones to ask about benefit. Even the benefits helpline get it wrong regularly. They will not even be thinking about mortgage help in the future nor will they be thinking about what will happen when you go on mat leave.

As I said before he needs to claim JSA IB. He can do this by doing a review form. They will probably nil this due to your earnings.

However by doing this claim they should calculate a mortgage interest qualifying date. This should be 13wks from when he first claimed, however they will probably try and calculate it from when you complete review. You need to dispute this and ensure they are aware that from date your partner claimed JSA C to current date you have worked less than 24hrs pw.

You will need to make sure they do this correct and get the date so you can note your diary.

When the mortgage qualifying date is reached do another review claim to ask for income based again. Also obtain an MI12 to send to your lender.

By this time you will probably be on maternity pay and this will eat into the amount of interest they can pay....but you still may be entitled to some money.

Regarding making two seperate claims..thats not right. You will be a partner on his JSA IB claim and will not be required to sign.