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Oops! Just started an accidental neighbour dispute

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tinytoessize4 · 29/08/2008 23:03

Any legal eagles reading? Advice please...

We have a shared passageway only with next door, enclosed at either end, and locked at our end (we did not put the lock on and have evidence to prove this). We thought we owned it outright, but this is not the case as it is a restrictive covenant in the deeds. Anyway, we propsed to move our kitchen downstairs into the passageway area, knockig down our internal wall to create an open room. Yes, we know the planning permission necessary and checked this out. Out of courtesy we informed our neighbour of our pending planning permission application. We have a small son and one bedroom. We only have 2k to do the alterations. I'll continue...we informed her of this, and that she had never utilised the right of access since we had been there and never since the previous owner of our house had been there either. She got a wee bit shirty. Saying that we admitted blocking our passage by placing a lock on the door (!) to which she didn't have a key (why? because she never bothered to get one when whoever put the lock on did it.) and that this was actionable nuisance. grr. she said she wanted monetary compensation for this. We said we didn't have any money. But we do have a shared right of access across the back of her property. We offered to exchange this. She hasn't yet responded. We said it would be best if we met face to face (terrible but we haven't met her and we've been here 2yrs! We were talking by letter). She's a litigation lawyer and though I am a law student, still have a year left. She quoted James v Stevenson [1893] AC 291 at me but I couldn't find it on Westlaw. Where do we stand with regard to the fact the right of access hasn't been exercised by her for about 10yrs? is there any precedent of lapsed right of access? Sorry its long ladies & gents....

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tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 16:38

twig - soupdragon made the comment that plaster can't be used externally. i said it can be rendered instead. and if we're going to get into the nitty gritty of plaster/render depending on the property the usual cement plaster/render is not appropriate more sympathetic materials such as quicklime based products ar ebest as they provide a breathable surface for the wall which minimises damp internally.

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clam · 05/09/2008 16:40

OK, guys. STOP! The make-up of plaster/render is irrelevant (on the grounds that this project is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A MILLION YEARS!!!!!!)
Or TinyToes, do you still think it can?

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 05/09/2008 16:41

Ha ha I was going to say that again.

SoupDragon · 05/09/2008 16:41

No, you didn't say it could be rendered, you said it could be plastered and that it was called rendering. Which was wrong. I was simply pointing out this error.

Twiglett · 05/09/2008 16:41

the sad thing is, whilst I am drawn to posting again and again, I really really don't care

lou031205 · 05/09/2008 16:41

tinytoessize4, can you see that your neighbour paid for an external wall, and you want to make that external wall part of your property, at least?

She wouldn't have an external wall anymore. It would be yours. You would paint it, you would decorate it, you would decide if holes are drilled into it for various purposes.

tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 16:42

yes lou, i can. i can quite see how all the comments so far have valid points and have an infinitely more superiorly place in knowledge and wisdom of the subject matter than my own. i can see exactly how things get resolved so amicably in the rl after re-reading this thread. i feel chastised at even daring to continue to go on.

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SoupDragon · 05/09/2008 16:43

It's really really not going to happen. I will sell my own children if the neighbour agrees to have her wall turned into a party wall.

tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 16:43

ps yes, the work will get done.

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jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 05/09/2008 16:44

The only way I would even consider agreeing to it would be if I was given compensation equivalent to the drop in value of the house for it turning into a semi.

tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 16:44

soupdragon - you can probably get a good price on ebay or freecycle.

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SoupDragon · 05/09/2008 16:44

It will not get done without you building your own external wall.

tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 16:45

jimjam - which part of its already a semi do you not get? in fact it is part of terrace.

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jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 05/09/2008 16:46

There's no way this will get done. Especially when you have a budget of £2k. Reading the advice on this thread the legal and surveying fees alone are going to be approaching or more than that.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 05/09/2008 16:48

No it is not a semi. The upstairs is joined, the downstairs isn't. Joining it so that the whole thing is a semi will reduce its market value. That is not hard to understand. I would want compensation for the drop in market value before agreeing to anything (as would anyone sane).

clam · 05/09/2008 16:49

No it's not a complete semi/terraced.
Noone's claiming superiority of knowledge over you. But your blinkered approach to this is quite startling, I must say.

annh · 05/09/2008 16:49

Aha, so it is part of a terrace and you will infill between your house and one next door? Didn't you say the terrace is Grade II listed - do you think you have a snowball's chance in hell of changing the integrity of the terrace that much?!

tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 16:49

soupdragon - are you with the council? have you already decided on pp? do you know the ins and outs of the matter - the property? can you state the history and the character value? do you know what limewash is and its importance to the make of the building? can you talk on horsehair lime plaster? cruck build houses? do you know the significance of quoins at the end of each property wall? do you know why there would be a through passageway in the first place? can you talk on easements and extinguishment of them? how about change of use of common holding? transfer rights and entitlement grants? in fact can anyone help me?

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Twiglett · 05/09/2008 16:49

It is NOT a terrace though .. her house does not adjoin at ground level .. it is you that wishes to make it a terrace .. do you not see that your plans will impact on her property?

The only person who gains by this is you

You can't do it just because you want to

You may be able to convince her to allow it, I hope you do so. But you won't be able to force it through because you are changing the nature of the building and detrimentally affecting her house

Twiglett · 05/09/2008 16:51

it's Grade II listed .. I missed that bit

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 05/09/2008 16:51

It's grade II listed???? You have no chance!

tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 16:51

the entire terrace is not grade 2 listed. just our two properties.

clam - im only blinkered when faced with the mumsnet brigade who comment worse than the womens institute coffee morning held by satan.

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lulumama · 05/09/2008 16:52

at the end of the day, you will piss off your neighbour, potentially get involved with massive and costly litigation, and for what?

move house

without my legal background or any other relevant info, i can tell you this much:

whatever you have been quoted, double it and add some more on for luck.

i have never, never, never known any sort of building project come in on time or on budget.

have you had quotes or estimates for the work?

i would seriosuly move house as it will be cheaper than the legal fees you will incur

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 05/09/2008 16:52

House opposite is Grade II listed- they had a nightmare when dry rot needed treating - because of the Grade IIness. Very expensive indeed.

clam · 05/09/2008 16:52