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BOTWATCH 93! The latest in a long running anti MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

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Spongebobette · 12/08/2026 10:36

New thread, welcome one and all

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Crwysmam · 09/10/2026 22:17

user1471446301 · 09/10/2026 14:54

oh wow! Death Threat! but remember any entries will be in her maiden name as it was before she met and married Mr Yawn.

I did search with her maiden name. Have looked further but no record of a serious crash with air ambulance. Back in the nineties they were much more thorough with the reporting, because there was no online news.
I was side tracked looking for a murder I remembered from the early 90s where a student murdered a housemate with an axe, I knew the other housemates who found the body when they returned home.

user1471446301 · 09/10/2026 22:31

Crwysmam · 09/10/2026 22:17

I did search with her maiden name. Have looked further but no record of a serious crash with air ambulance. Back in the nineties they were much more thorough with the reporting, because there was no online news.
I was side tracked looking for a murder I remembered from the early 90s where a student murdered a housemate with an axe, I knew the other housemates who found the body when they returned home.

oh I hope you have time to keep digging to if you are lucky. She's never described the accident in such detail before. What an awful murder to be sidetracked with,

Crwysmam · 09/10/2026 22:51

Just seen that Headband is planning a scam charity event for Breast Cancer awareness month. I am rather passionate about breast cancer charities, as a survivor, it’s very upsetting that MLMs use these awareness months to promote their businesses, potentially recruit and sell “comfort packs” that are often inappropriate and frankly theft as far as I’m concerned. Asking people to buy goody bags to gift to breast cancer patients and pocketing the money is disgraceful. I wish people would just donate directly. Selling these products is of no financial benefit to the charity, and doing under the charities name is probably illegal unless you have the charities permission.

notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 08:20

@Crwysmam I totally agree

Just donate. I couldn't live with myself if I was making ANY profit off the back of a charity. A very low move.

ItWasnaMeGuv · 10/10/2026 08:23

Crwysmam · 09/10/2026 22:51

Just seen that Headband is planning a scam charity event for Breast Cancer awareness month. I am rather passionate about breast cancer charities, as a survivor, it’s very upsetting that MLMs use these awareness months to promote their businesses, potentially recruit and sell “comfort packs” that are often inappropriate and frankly theft as far as I’m concerned. Asking people to buy goody bags to gift to breast cancer patients and pocketing the money is disgraceful. I wish people would just donate directly. Selling these products is of no financial benefit to the charity, and doing under the charities name is probably illegal unless you have the charities permission.

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Can you contact the charity and tell them that this individual is exploiting their charity for personal gain, ask them to put out a comment that people donate an amount to THEM direct rather than buy products that donate a fraction to the charity?

Fearless31 · 10/10/2026 10:26

@Galadali gosh! I'm so sorry that happened to you. They really are the worst people. Thank you for your support. It really helps me to carry on. I can easily understand why so many just quietly leave when they realise they've been scammed. Embarrassment and shame because they fell for it is probably the main reason. Then they cut you off from your FL 'friends'. Your other friends have got fed up with the constant pressure to buy the box or products, etc.
I don't feel any embarrassment. I hold my hands up and admit I was mugged. I should have done my due diligence at the start, but I didnt, and I own that. I love my friends way too much to have put any pressure on them, so I still have them all around me. They are doing their best to silently stalk headband, but she is removing anyone connected with me, as soon as finds them. Every friend, every one of you in here, and all the victims are keeping my fire lit.

Fearless31 · 10/10/2026 10:35

@Crwysmam totally disgusting. Probably a directive from above. 'Gifting' those products to cancer patients, when they are so loaded with harmful ingredients is outrageous. Anything to make a quick buck!!! I think this has tipped me over the edge and the formal complaint to the Fraud team is now top of my to do list for Monday!!!

cheeseomelette · 10/10/2026 10:37

Using her child for pr purposes is pretty vile too. She should be protecting his identity, not exploiting it. Way too many identifying details in her posts.

user1471446301 · 10/10/2026 11:19

For the least the last 3 or 4 years FL UK have been proud to support Brest Cancer awareness Month donated 10p or 10c for every deodorant sold. Their graphic says donated to Breast Cancer charities to it's not clear where these donations actually go and the mechanism for it. You can see the promotion on their FL Products UK & Ireland FB Page (10/24). I don't see an promotion for this year but I am blocked on the FBO UK Page. As always FBO's will use this promotion for case credits and offer an additional donation on their behalf to sweeten the deal. The fact they are already getting a 35% discount or more according to their rank they are still profiting on the sale £'s and CC's. It is despicable cashing in but then can we expect anything less.

Fearless31 · 10/10/2026 12:14

They all use their children to promote themselves. It's actively encouraged. It's the whole sell your story mantra. Some of them bring their kids to the Success Days and bring them on stage selling the lie. It really is shocking.

YouOKHun · 10/10/2026 14:02

There are some very clear rules about how for-profit businesses must behave when supporting a charity. Forever doesn’t want to educate the bots about this because it may curtail their “charitable” efforts and HQ figures that if a bot does get called out then FLP will simply use the usual defence of “they’re an independent business, nowt to do with us”. * *

@user1471446301 yes, that episode was interesting. I think it was two years ago that Forever got itself into trouble for selecting and naming a particular cancer charity. This was against fundraising regulations because FLP didn’t have a formal agreement with the charity to raise money for them. When Botwatchers got in touch with the charity they were quick to close FLP down. Charities are risk averse because it can be damaging to them if they look like they’ve come to some arrangement to receive donations in any form (cash, bottles of jizz) when the way of obtaining donations is opaque and the profits off the back of “donations” is even more obscure.

FLP then reverted to vague “charities” rather than naming a specific one. Even so, any charity tie in needs a Commercial Participation Agreement once a charity has done some due diligence about exactly who is donating and how they’re doing it. I can’t see anything on FLP’s FBO page this year but charity sponsorship will be being encouraged. I guess many charities local to bots don’t always recognise that the individual bot is engaged in a commercial activity as it looks like they are turning up with 100 hand creams to give to cancer patients out of the goodness of their heart but that isn’t what it appears to be.

If there is any doubt about the real agenda of the bots (not that Botwatchers are in any doubt) then I thought Preacher Bot was a good example. Last year he was very actively asking people to donate to his gift bags for the local hospice, he was adding bits and pieces “out of his own pocket” but he really wanted people to sponsor products to go into the bags. If what he wanted was to give as much as possible to the charity then he should have been delighted when people in his downline started sending him actual FL product to be included in the charity bags (probably freeing up a bit of space in their garages). Instead, this act of apparent generosity from his downline triggered lives from him of barely concealed anger - he wanted the purchases! He specialises in Mr Nice Guy posts so it was interesting to see how hopping mad he was at having to pretend to be grateful for the product sent to him.

Even a lowly bot like Headband can’t swerve the rules about transparency about the retail versus cost price, what she pockets, what she gains volume wise, what the profit is for FLP, how much of the £20 a person “donates” actually reaches the charity. From a consumer point of view she also has to make this information clear to “sponsors”. If I had a twenty pound note I wanted to give to a good cause and I had that clear information then I wouldn’t be buying three lip balms or whatever, I’d be sending my £20 straight to the charity.

The other thing about the keenness to align themselves to a breast cancer charity is the persistent false claim about their deodorant being “cancer friendly” based on some now de-bunked evidence about certain chemicals in deodorant. I am sure that claim quietly persists.

notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 18:24

If anyone wants to grab a bargain, there are at least 2 yellow suitcases for sale on Ebay 🤣 one for a snip at £42.30 and another at £47.50
I'll fight you for them. Or maybe not.

YouOKHun · 10/10/2026 18:40

@notgettinganyyounger what a bargain for a cabin size yellow suitcase! When I conduct a search for a “yellow cabin suitcase” on eBay why on earth would I choose an identical new one for £19.99 when I can pay £43 for the same thing covered in FL stickers that instantly label me as fecking idiot? On the other hand it would go nicely with my Forever Living branded trains which are really handy for running away from reality 🙄

YouOKHun · 10/10/2026 19:02

*trainers! Not trains 🙄

notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 19:06

🤣🤣🤣

notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 19:11

Just had a nosey on vinted too
A FL presentation binder in A4
Complete with a layer of dust
£2
(Never used just stored apparently)

notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 19:15

A FL hot pink top with 'rhinestone detail'
4 quid.
It's all the crap they were no doubt forced to buy at the unsuccessful days.

notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 19:18

The hoodie is to die for!
I have forgotten how to link or add photos here but please take s moment to admire the detail on said hoodie. 😂

notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 19:22

I have now found the mother of all tat.
Just going to work out how to add the pic here. Stand by

notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 19:25

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BOTWATCH 93! The latest in a long running anti MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …
notgettinganyyounger · 10/10/2026 19:27

Sensitive image oh my life!
Anyway the writing says its a fl noise maker/clapper!!
Hilarious. I can just see them all waving and whooping

Fearless31 · 10/10/2026 19:39

@notgettinganyyounger better still, spend about 5k of your own money, scam 15-30 people into buying a box and parting with about £350 of their own money and you can have a yellow suitcase for FREE! 😂😂

YouOKHun · 10/10/2026 19:49

Over on Vinted I’ve found a number of 100% viscose yellow fringed scarves with “Team Boost” written on them - lovely! All massively creased but I am sure the creases drop out almost as quickly as many new recruits drop out of FLP. One is priced at £14 the other at a more realistic but still hopelessly optimistic £2.50. I’m guessing Team Boost is now Team Bust.

BOTWATCH 93! The latest in a long running anti MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …
Crikeyalmighty · 10/10/2026 20:05

YouOKHun · 10/10/2026 19:49

Over on Vinted I’ve found a number of 100% viscose yellow fringed scarves with “Team Boost” written on them - lovely! All massively creased but I am sure the creases drop out almost as quickly as many new recruits drop out of FLP. One is priced at £14 the other at a more realistic but still hopelessly optimistic £2.50. I’m guessing Team Boost is now Team Bust.

Who the hell would want to buy one- hideous!!