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BOTWATCH 93! The latest in a long running anti MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

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Spongebobette · 12/08/2026 10:36

New thread, welcome one and all

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YouOKHun · 18/09/2026 13:24

@HotAsSatansBalls Yawn’s working her way through the Carry On film titles. We currently at Carry on at your [tin shed housed] Convenience (1971), Carry On Cowboy [PT qualification] (1965) with a running theme of Carry on Regardless [of disaster] (1961). This will inevitably mean Carrying on up the Khyber, ending in yet more Carrying on Screaming until she accepts a career change with meagre options such as Carry on Cabby-ing or Carry on Cruising.

user1471446301 · 18/09/2026 14:49

Yawn's shitty lawn and shantytown shed's are bootcamp ready apparently. It's more carry on camping than glamping with the flapping tarpaulin and the only squats that lawn are going to see are dogs backsides.

Spongebobette · 18/09/2026 16:57

I’m not sure that telling people yoh live in your warm dressing gown in the house as soon as it’s chilly is a good look

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ticktock19 · 20/09/2026 14:46

Looks like Yawn has taken our advice and badgered Mr Yawn into finally upgrading her weights equipment

user1471446301 · 20/09/2026 16:44

2Jags "Letting the boys Steer down street and onto the drive" on her lap with no safety belt in the day and dark night didn't Castle do similar at the caravan park? 2Jags lives on a housing estate not her own personal road to her house. These ex police bots are so entitled and so dim to put as a public post if she thinks this is fun and a good idea why on earth publicise it utter dimwit.

xenu1 · 20/09/2026 20:08

Hi huns!

You may have got this b4 - I dont follow this thread daily but warmly support your efforts - but latest on Amway from the US

https://quackwatch.org/ncahf/digest26/26-38/

Amway, two affiliates must pay $225 million to resolve allegations of unfair, deceptive tactics. Under a proposed order (42-page PDF), Amway Corp., one of the largest multilevel marketing companies in the U.S., and two of its affiliates—World Wide Group, L.L.C. (WWG) and Leadership Team Development Inc. (LTD)—must pay $225 million to settle allegations by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the state of Washington, that the companies use unfair and deceptive tactics to recruit members to its direct selling and multilevel marketing opportunity. Nearly all of the monetary relief is for redress to consumers who were harmed.
Amway offers a moneymaking opportunity that it claims gives individuals, referred to as Independent Business Owners (IBOs), the chance to own and operate their own business selling a variety of consumer products, ranging from nutritional supplements to energy drinks to health and beauty products. WWG and LTD are two of Amway’s largest “approved provider” groups that recruit individuals to join Amway as IBOs. They sell training materials and services to IBOs that are allegedly marketed as being essential to becoming a successful Amway IBO.
In their complaint (83-page PDF), the FTC and Washington alleged that Amway, WWG, and LTD deceived consumers by:

  • misrepresenting likely earnings to incentivize and pressure IBOs to buy Amway products they don’t want and that end up being difficult to sell
  • instructing IBOs to falsely report selling products that they, in fact, did not sell, to create the appearance that the Amway opportunity revolves around selling products rather than attempting to recruit new IBOs to purchase Amway products
  • falsely telling IBOs that they are likely to earn substantial income, exceeding $40,000 a year, or that they are likely to earn income that will replace their full-time job or allow them to retire early, when most IBOs who joined WWG or LTD after 2020 spent more money on Amway products and training than they received from Amway
  • falsely telling IBOs that they are likely to recruit multiple IBOs into the business to help them succeed, when in fact most consumers who joined Amway and WWG or LTD did not recruit multiple participants
  • falsely telling IBOs that they are joining an exclusive opportunity in which they will get access to mentoring from highly successful leaders, when in fact the Amway opportunity is open to any prospective IBO who follows the instructions of their recruiter, and the “mentors” IBOs work with are typically not highly successful
According to the complaint, in trainings by WWG and LTD, IBOs were instructed to buy a set quantity of products each month regardless of whether the IBOs can resell them or want them for themselves and to focus their time on trying to recruit others to duplicate that behavior. Thus, the defendants set up an unfair and unlawful system to pressure IBOs to purchase Amway products for reasons other than genuine demand for them. Under the proposed order, the defendants must change their business practices so that:
  • IBOs will be required to sell to others at least 70% of the products they purchase from Amway each month.
  • Recruiters will receive substantially reduced compensation if the IBOs they recruit buy products but do not resell them.
  • IBOs will need to report all of their customer sales promptly, including the actual sales price, and Amway will send receipts to all of an IBO’s customers.
  • Amway must terminate IBOs who fake sales or teach others to do so.
  • Amway’s sales records will be audited regularly by an independent outside auditor.
  • IBOs will be required to receive training on these rules and others prior to being allowed to recruit.
  • Amway must require approved providers, including WWG and LTD, to not charge new IBOs for any training or services during their

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/Amway-StipulatedOrder.pdf

ItWasnaMeGuv · 21/09/2026 16:16

Oooh, @xenu1 that is a fabulous update! "Eyes" will be very happy to read this. I hope he is first in line for compensation.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 21/09/2026 18:49

Oh my word - surely this sets a massive precedent for all other similar schemes?

orangehandles · 21/09/2026 21:56

Some friends of mine were sucked into the Amway thing hook line and sinker many years ago, early 80's or thereabouts. They asked a bunch of friends round for the evening, and exH and I walked in expecting a party. There were brochures for luxury cars, exotic holidays and mansions scattered about and then we were introduced to another 'friend' of theirs who then showed us this film of how we could start our own business and make an absolute fortune out of it. We were totally baffled by it all, but the pressure to sign up then and there was unreal. We said we'd think about it (not a chance) and I asked for a copy of the paperwork to show to my boss at the bank where I worked because he was good with legal documents and wanted to check before signing. The rep didn't want me to take it away. We made our excuses and left.😂

After that, our 'friends' only ever contacted us to ask if we would buy their cleaning stuff that was amazing apparently. We were moving house and didn't tell them our new address...

Crikeyalmighty · 21/09/2026 22:28

orangehandles · 21/09/2026 21:56

Some friends of mine were sucked into the Amway thing hook line and sinker many years ago, early 80's or thereabouts. They asked a bunch of friends round for the evening, and exH and I walked in expecting a party. There were brochures for luxury cars, exotic holidays and mansions scattered about and then we were introduced to another 'friend' of theirs who then showed us this film of how we could start our own business and make an absolute fortune out of it. We were totally baffled by it all, but the pressure to sign up then and there was unreal. We said we'd think about it (not a chance) and I asked for a copy of the paperwork to show to my boss at the bank where I worked because he was good with legal documents and wanted to check before signing. The rep didn't want me to take it away. We made our excuses and left.😂

After that, our 'friends' only ever contacted us to ask if we would buy their cleaning stuff that was amazing apparently. We were moving house and didn't tell them our new address...

I had a similar experience too -felt somewhat used and just ‘dropped’ the friendship

definitelynotabot · 22/09/2026 05:49

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 21/09/2026 18:49

Oh my word - surely this sets a massive precedent for all other similar schemes?

I hope so. Amway are purportedly the worst at garage-filling, but there are others not far behind.

If amway reps have to sell 70% of what they buy, the business will go under. I give it a year.

MrsDilligaf · 22/09/2026 07:33

I ended up at several Amway presentations in the early 1990s - I'd gone to visit a friend in Wales and basically the entire town had gone Amway mad.

I spent the whole weekend traipsing round countless events with her and her mum. Never saw her again, although they did give me a cassette to play on my Walkman on the way home (which got binned at Bristol Temple Meads)

Intrepidobserver · 22/09/2026 08:41

If anyone gets a chance, look on Facebook and find Rob Van Vuuren. He does skits taking the mick out of the yawns and other manifesting idiots. Very funny.

Happyholidays78 · 22/09/2026 08:49

MrsDilligaf · 22/09/2026 07:33

I ended up at several Amway presentations in the early 1990s - I'd gone to visit a friend in Wales and basically the entire town had gone Amway mad.

I spent the whole weekend traipsing round countless events with her and her mum. Never saw her again, although they did give me a cassette to play on my Walkman on the way home (which got binned at Bristol Temple Meads)

I'm a very long time lurker on these threads after a few ladies in my town when Aloe mad in 2015/2016 ish. I remember as a teenager in the early 90's my best friends parents were big into Amway, cassette tape of some manic American in the car, a house full of products & they were off out most evenings & weekends to networking events. I knew then it was a scam & it was so sad as they were a lovely hard working but low paid couple who thought they would be rich. I smelt a rat as soon as the Aloe 'look at me stood in front of a white range rover' era & it took me right back to my friends parents. I never knew what MLM was until I found these threads. I just can't believe people fall for it really.

Spongebobette · 22/09/2026 11:58

Similar experience here! Early 80s, colleague of my husband got super friendly and kept inviting us round to these evening gatherings. He’d been to Eton and was very polished and persuasive - family money behind him, too, and he gave the impression that his flashy car and expensive bits and bobs were thanks to his ‘business’
I don’t think we’d heard the phrase ‘side hustle’ in those days though!
anyway it all smelled a bit iffy to me and we never took the bait

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Spongebobette · 22/09/2026 12:02

Happyholidays78 · 22/09/2026 08:49

I'm a very long time lurker on these threads after a few ladies in my town when Aloe mad in 2015/2016 ish. I remember as a teenager in the early 90's my best friends parents were big into Amway, cassette tape of some manic American in the car, a house full of products & they were off out most evenings & weekends to networking events. I knew then it was a scam & it was so sad as they were a lovely hard working but low paid couple who thought they would be rich. I smelt a rat as soon as the Aloe 'look at me stood in front of a white range rover' era & it took me right back to my friends parents. I never knew what MLM was until I found these threads. I just can't believe people fall for it really.

lolling at the ‘look at me stood in front of a white range rover’

reminded me of when Yawn had her downline round and they all took turns having their photo taken next to hers

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xenu1 · 22/09/2026 12:36

MrsDilligaf · 22/09/2026 07:33

I ended up at several Amway presentations in the early 1990s - I'd gone to visit a friend in Wales and basically the entire town had gone Amway mad.

I spent the whole weekend traipsing round countless events with her and her mum. Never saw her again, although they did give me a cassette to play on my Walkman on the way home (which got binned at Bristol Temple Meads)

I was prospected by am Ambot in the 1990s too. A co-worker who took the bait bigtime, and was eventually formally warned to stop approaching staff (and remove his "aspirational" pix from his cubicle.) He was'nt a bad person, just a duped one.
Gloriously, the internet exposed the con - those duped could describe their experiences.
The first major expose was "Amway. The untold Story." (With 60+ pages on comments!) Mirror site at www.scs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/index.htm

user1471446301 · 22/09/2026 13:57

Spongebobette · 22/09/2026 12:02

lolling at the ‘look at me stood in front of a white range rover’

reminded me of when Yawn had her downline round and they all took turns having their photo taken next to hers

Yes! and wearing the manager sash as well!

Happyholidays78 · 22/09/2026 14:31

Spongebobette · 22/09/2026 12:02

lolling at the ‘look at me stood in front of a white range rover’

reminded me of when Yawn had her downline round and they all took turns having their photo taken next to hers

It's crazy isn't it? Look at me stood in front of a white range rover, I've made it! Absolute nonsense. The thing that really cheeses me off was the targeting of new mum's & making them feel guilty for going back to work & 'abandoning' their children. I knew of at least 6 people locally selling that Aloe nonsense & not one of them are doing it now & I'm pretty sure they're not millionaires.

Justdancevance · 22/09/2026 15:16

I’m convinced the castles are no contact with Sis’s kids and castle must be raging that she can’t use the new baby girl for clicks.

user1471446301 · 22/09/2026 16:08

Justdancevance · 22/09/2026 15:16

I’m convinced the castles are no contact with Sis’s kids and castle must be raging that she can’t use the new baby girl for clicks.

I agree, it's very sad that such a devastating bereavement was the only way that her husband and children could extradite themselves from the gloop and stifling family setup. I hope the Castle Seniors do have some contact but then their life is dominated by the two turrets and their remaining 2 feckless offspring. All the health properties of FL Aloe (gut and bowel), couldn't save their beloved sister and now it's destroyed their whole family plus the seniors finances and housing security.

Spongebobette · 22/09/2026 17:07

Where are you seeing this?

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OhMyGiddyAunt · 22/09/2026 17:16

I see Yawn is as professional as ever ... transporting the boot camp equipment in the dog-hair coated boot of her car.

ItWasnaMeGuv · 22/09/2026 18:05

orangehandles · 21/09/2026 21:56

Some friends of mine were sucked into the Amway thing hook line and sinker many years ago, early 80's or thereabouts. They asked a bunch of friends round for the evening, and exH and I walked in expecting a party. There were brochures for luxury cars, exotic holidays and mansions scattered about and then we were introduced to another 'friend' of theirs who then showed us this film of how we could start our own business and make an absolute fortune out of it. We were totally baffled by it all, but the pressure to sign up then and there was unreal. We said we'd think about it (not a chance) and I asked for a copy of the paperwork to show to my boss at the bank where I worked because he was good with legal documents and wanted to check before signing. The rep didn't want me to take it away. We made our excuses and left.😂

After that, our 'friends' only ever contacted us to ask if we would buy their cleaning stuff that was amazing apparently. We were moving house and didn't tell them our new address...

Interesting. Similar thing happened to me and DH in the 90's. We had a new baby and (incredibly) I was expecting again even though I was breastfeeding ShockGrin. Our friends showed us a video and talked about it enthusiastically. There was another couple there (I know now was their upline). We were not particularly interested and said vaguely we would think about it but it wasn't feasible in our opinion. Thankfully, nothing more was said and we carried on with the friendship. The husband had loads and loads of cassettes around the house, Amway products everywhere (be the product, replace every item with Amway), positive comments on post-it notes on many surfaces. It fizzled out eventually and it was never mentioned again.

Justdancevance · 23/09/2026 10:33

I see Bruv recorded a couple having an argument on the plane in front of him and posted it online

He is such a nasty piece of work. They all are really. They think invading peoples privacy and posting for clicks is funny.

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