Do all 18 years old go on UC if they cannot find a job

[Crystalovertherainbow]

Do the family needs to show their income or the new adult is considered their own financial unit now , even if they live with the parents and their UC is given them

It's JSA in all but name because you've got to prove your job search at the Job Centre every two weeks.

Calling it UC is a way for the Govt to hide the NEETs in amongst the people who work and whose employers get an indirect Govt handout.

Yes, UC for in-work people is a handout to the employers, not the workers. If the Govt have to top-up someone's pay, it's because their employer isn't giving them enough hours or isn't paying them enough per hour. The employer is the real recipient of the subsidy here.

How much should they get then, 600, 1200?

I think £300 is about right. My point is it's hardly pocket money if it's going towards bills. It's not like they could have a lot left to spend on going down the pub or out clubbing. Obviously this depends how much the parents need them to make as a contribution. My dd's bf's mum charges him £500 a month to live at home although he is working.

I hope you don't ever get made redundant.

I have my own business - no need to worry about me.

Stop saying my children are entitled to benefits. They are absolutely NOT entitled to benefits. They don’t need to claim benefits. Nor will I ever allow them to believe that it is okay for them to take money from the state.

It’s no wonder this country is fucked.

Despite the comments on this thread, I can’t imagine many people aspire to having their children claiming benefits at 18.

Of course they don’t,

but you cannot magic jobs out of thin air.

Well it shows my naïvety when I don’t even know the difference between JCA and UC. Whatever it it, I’ve learned something today thanks to this thread. The only savings in her name is her Child Trust Fund, something which she’s very much looking forward to getting her hands on to buy her own car.

Of course people don't aspire to it. However some have no choice.

It has nothing to do with shame; it’s to do with what is right and what is wrong.

Taking money from the state that you don’t need, isn’t right.

And yet we get many on MN saying there are lots of jobs in the NHS that need filling, ie care homes, nursing assistants etc. Is that not true then?

None of my 4 have ever claimed, before, during or after degrees. TBH, they've always found work albeit not what ties in with their career ambitions.

I don't think I'd be happy if any of mine claimed, but I know they all have skills and are bright.

Plus if they weren't working for a few weeks dh and I are in a position to fund them. It's definitely not the same for everyone in the UK so I don't feel I can judge people with vastly different backgrounds.

Most will want people to have some care experience or have done a college course in heath care.

And yet again its always care homes never childrens homes.

I was referencing members of my own family. Some claim carers allowance which negates the requirement to seek employment. They say it's not worth their while working as they're only qualified to get a minimum wage job. Any suggestion that they upskill is rejected. I think it's tragic.

I don’t think care homes are bothered tbh whether people have experience or not. They train on the job for usually minimum wage.

I work in the benefits system and see so many long term claimants fleecing the system for years on end. I really can't get worked up about an 18 year old claiming ( hopefully) short term until they find a job.

i presume her 18 year old will progress to college /university to further their education on finishing school and whilst they will be encouraged to have a part-time job they would not be entitled to UC. Most 18 year olds continue their education…

If you are old enough to have worked at 14 and old enough to have adult or near-adult grandchildren, then you endured that in a very different job market and very different set of employment laws compared to now.

Kids now leave school at 18. They are legally limited in the hours they can work and type of work they can do whilst still at school. A lot of the traditional Saturday jobs, like staffing the local corner shop or greasy spoon, don't exist because the businesses no longer exist. People don't get paper newspapers delivered as much, so paper rounds have disappeared.

It is so much harder to get work now, at all levels. I applied for my job a decade ago, the company wanted a CV and covering letter. A comparable job I'm about to apply for wants a CV, a covering letter, and a case study. I'm going to have to phone just to ask what on earth they mean by "case study".

Everything is honestly harder now.

Benefits should be a safety net for those who cannot afford to live. If you are both' high earners' I am not sure how any of your children would ever fall into this category. This country is going to bankrupt itself fast if it does not get a grip on this. If parents can afford to feed and house their children whilst they seek work, that is what should happen. If they cannot afford to do so then support should be available.

Ok well this is my fall back for when i get made redundant in a couple of months and all the care jobs I have looked at say experience needed. Not a problem for me as I have 30 years experience as a qualified Nurse so hopefully will be ok as long as I'm not viewed as overqualified or too old.

To claim Carer's Allowance, they are caring for someone who is disabled enough to claim PIP or DLA. Who cares for the disabled person whilst the person on CA is out at work?

You usually need qualifications and experience for those jobs.
Which 18 year olds don't have.

Most don't.
Most don't go to university.
It's about 35% of 18 year olds who go to university according to government stats.

According to AI, 30-40% of 18 year olds in the UK go on to university each year.
it is 60% in a Ireland (so most where I live).

The high earning parents are probably paying in more than their kids will ever claim.

It puts the parents in a position of incredible power over the adult child when they are giving the adult child an allowance. Sadly, some parents would abuse this. It keeps the child in a state of perpetual childhood and dependence on the parents.

It was psychologically deeply unpleasant to have to live with my mum at all, even when I had JSA to give me my own money. To have been financially dependent on her for every penny would be been unbearable. I already detailed upthread how long it took me to get a job even with a STEM degree, because the blocker was transport. Adding yet more distress wouldn't have magically made a bus-commutable job appear, nor would I have magically become ready to take my driving test sooner.

Some parents will do the bear minimum work they need to do whilst their DCs are in education as they can claim child benefit and the child element under their UC, plus if a single parent they get CM from their ex. So once that all stops, then begins the problem, because the money they’ve come to rely on is no longer available. Parents should be planning for this eventuality - get jobs with longer hours or better pay.