Do all 18 years old go on UC if they cannot find a job

[Crystalovertherainbow]

Do the family needs to show their income or the new adult is considered their own financial unit now , even if they live with the parents and their UC is given them

we had to so many people who would not increase their hours above a very a part time amount of work because they were living a very nice lifestyle largely on benefits

The permitted work and permitted earnings
rules are one of the biggest factors trapping people on benefits. The difference between me and you is that you frame these people as lazy, scroungers, etc. I frame them as acting in their own rational best interest within the constraints of a system designed around the assumption that most jobs are full-time.

I remember overhearing a conversation at the Job Centre where the permitted earnings rules would have left a woman £5 better off per week if she worked more hours. The fiver wouldn't have covered her extra bus fare, so she'd have been out of pocket. She was already working pt so was getting experience, so what motive did she have to up her hours?

The system is broken and needs a redesign. The people claiming UC are not at fault here.

I don't differentiate between breaking the law and breaking the law.

The poster I was replying to was 14 at the time.

To be fair permitted work/permitted earnings are a legacy benefit thing. I think only NS ESA retains them.

Cost of taking work is still a big thing though.

I have a job. A large part of why I have my job is because labs are hazardous environments in which someone who thinks of what the dangers might be, instead of skipping through life thinking that everything will be fine, is a good thing.

And I pay taxes, have done for sixteen years now.

Some of us have the decency to remember what the benefits system was like after we exit it, and have sympathy for those still stuck in it.

My goodness. I should go back to one ex employer and ask why they made some of us redundant. Like - how dare anyone with an education ever find themselves in a position where they might need to claim benefits

After I was made redundant another girl was too. She had a degree and a post grad as well. Remaining staff were offered to drop one day a week.

People can't win can they? They get told to take a job - any job, which I have done in the past. I have worked zero hours jobs that didn't give me enough money to live on so had to claim UC as a top up

I spent a year working for pure gym - at that point they put staff on self employed contracts so you worked 15 hours on a gym floor for nothing and your income was made up from people who took personal training from you and nothing else

Oh and apparently I was supposed to make provision when I was working full time (on one income, I'm single) incase I got made redundant - or savings so that I didn't need to claim benefits I expect?

Just incase someone on mumsnet twenty odd years later might think I'm a scrounger?

So basically the take is if you have a degree - you must go into a job that's completely secure - have savings, never be in the position of having to claim benefits - because some people on the Internet think benefits claimants are scroungers?

(loves freebies).

Having to buy specific clothes, for starters. The gap between last benefits payment and first paycheque, when going into a monthly paid job, is brutal. Lone parents used to get "run-on benefit" to bridge that gap, but the rest of us went hungry.

There aren't any permitted earnings rules unless in temporary or supported accommodation. UC will also pay up to three months travel costs to the new job and buy required clothing unless PPE.

You will also still get UC if not yet paid.

Mostly gone but I think they're still there in NS JSA.

@RaininSummer so how do the DWP cope with claimants that work?

You will also still get UC if not yet paid.

That's a welcome change since my last claim.

There are a lot of families who won't or can't support their young people and some who kick them out if they don't contribute.

If you read the thread, you'd see that I have a job.

You'd also see the hoops I had to jump through to get it.

We consider 18 year olds who have left education to be adults in their right. Their parents' obligation to support their essential needs has ended.

Even University students can claim for full student funding if they can demonstrate estrangement from their parents.

I can’t believe you are still going on about this.

It was over 20 years ago.

NO ONE CARES.

How dare I reply to people who have replied to me?

Are 18 year olds supposed to have a full time job lined up the minute they leave school and if they don't they are lazy?

Who is “we”?

Most parents don’t consider their obligations to their child to have ended at 18.

Yes there is. You can claim JSA if you're coming out of employment and have enough NI contributions.

You can't evidence that. Most means your opinion on the matter. As has been said more than once on this thread some teenagers don't have supportive families - some don't have parents - which is why there is a safety net for young people benefit wise when they turn 18.

Yeah, it was fairly normal, and no one got over excited. 🤷‍♀️

Really? No difference between shoplifting and murder then? Good grief 😂

so many people who would not increase their hours above a very a part time amount of work because they were living a very nice lifestyle largely on benefits.

I can accept that someone who is content sitting around in their house all day might be able to do so in whole or in part on benefits...but who are these people that are living a 'very nice lifestyle' on them?

Unless you have an incredibly low bar for what constitutes a nice lifestyle, there's no amount of benefits someone living in the UK can get that is enough to fund one.

Good idea.
Yeah I might be able to do that in-between caring for my disabled daughter and her various medical appointments.
I could do a whole comedy tour about scary tests and bad hospital food.
Oh how hilarious 😂

UC don't allow people to work "very part time" hours without expecting them to look for another job. Only if someone meets the AET or if they meet the AET as a couple will they not have those responsibilities (those with very young children too).

A single person on UC also won't get a work allowance unless they are on lcwra as far as I am aware so for every pound earned they will get 55p taken from their wages

Not sure how you live a very nice lifestyle on benefits as a single person working very part time hours

If people think it's so easy to get PIP and lcwra by embellishing symptoms I suggest they go over to a benefits Facebook page and see the number of people who are turned down at every stage of the process