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Botwatch 89!!!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.

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Spongebobette · 10/07/2025 10:38

New thread! Welcome to anyone who wants to be better informed about the dodgy practices of multi level marketing companies

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YouOKHun · 06/08/2025 19:40

@BSintolerantyes, a real family affair! I got her married and unmarried names mixed up.

@Spongebobetteshe would like you to think she is in NZ! I expect she still shuttles between Essex and Spain. She has two or three accounts. I hope she gets locked up and some of her associates get pulled into the spotlight (Wig and Sleaze). I wonder if W&S know about her current situation? Probably not as I’m sure they only read the less wordy pages of Take a Break but even if they know they won’t care, they will just be happy that they are cuddling up to a well practiced crook. That said, Poison Bot’s family are just the type of East Anglian family it’s better not to fall out with so Sleaze needs to be ready to go into hiding again and re-adopt his Arthur Daly persona until the cost is clear.

YouOKHun · 06/08/2025 19:42

coast (“cost” being a Freudian slip!).

MrsDilligaf · 07/08/2025 20:16

OMG!

On one hand you have the MLM bizniz boss babes, who are bad enough and then on the other hand you've got Scary lips woman, Wig and Sleaze who make the bizniz boss babes look like a bunch of nuns!

They are beyond terrifying. Such delusion and criminality!

Sugarplum48 · 08/08/2025 14:03

Quick yawn get that real life pic of you deleted. The one you took at home doesn't match your photoshopped image 🤣🤣🤣

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 09/08/2025 10:05

Where ARE the boring names? FLP have just released their July leaderboards and he’s nowhere to be seen!

YouOKHun · 09/08/2025 13:36

@dickiedavisthunderthighs I am really wondering that too. Mrs BN claims he was hacked but even if he was she clearly wasn’t hacked so why the silence from her? She is still looking at her TikTok as she has responded to a negative comment about FLP and quickly deleted a comment about creative accountancy. I have been trying to find out if they still have that high street premises but I suspect not. I can’t help wondering if they’ve overstretched themselves or he has hand some kind of slap on the wrist from HMRC. Disappearing from FLP league tables tells us it’s more than having FB hacked doesn’t it?!

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 09/08/2025 14:25

I think the ‘hack’ was an excuse to go dark; usually hackers change the password in seconds so I don’t see how he could have posted from his account, and if so he could have easily chucked a hacker back out.
I think the same as you; they’re in a bit of bother.

fitgirl26 · 09/08/2025 18:29

Has Soft Focus Bot completely binned FM World after repeatedly assuring her adoring downline that she wasn’t going anywhere?

Sugarplum48 · 10/08/2025 15:59

Bragging that you decided against spending £100 on lunch in a posh part of Cheltenham and got a co op sandwich is not a flex yawn. YOURE just making yourself look completely unrelatable, besides the fact you don't have that sort of cash to splash..STOP LYING

OhMyGiddyAunt · 10/08/2025 20:05

I would still love to know if Yawn is paying for her posts to keep popping up on Facebook .... they're appearing on my feed several times a day.

Does it make any difference if I click on them or not? If she has to pay for each view/click then I'm going to be very click-happy 😆

ticktock19 · 11/08/2025 11:10

YouOKHun · 09/08/2025 13:36

@dickiedavisthunderthighs I am really wondering that too. Mrs BN claims he was hacked but even if he was she clearly wasn’t hacked so why the silence from her? She is still looking at her TikTok as she has responded to a negative comment about FLP and quickly deleted a comment about creative accountancy. I have been trying to find out if they still have that high street premises but I suspect not. I can’t help wondering if they’ve overstretched themselves or he has hand some kind of slap on the wrist from HMRC. Disappearing from FLP league tables tells us it’s more than having FB hacked doesn’t it?!

I’ve got a spare couple of hours today so I’ll head over to Nantwich and have a snoop

YouOKHun · 11/08/2025 13:09

@ticktock19 amazing thank you! I would take a street view stroll down the high street but it’s pedestrianised by number 27 so is not covered by the cameras. I’d be surprised if “Choose Your Financial Downfall” is still there seen as the opportunity to rent the premises came up last year and was then withdrawn. They have some interesting addresses aside from the shop, one that sounds like a home address is a log cabin/static home thing with no room for the much publicised AGA.

This pair of grifters will be interesting to watch and I sincerely hope it’s gone tits up for them because they’ve misled others into absolute disaster. The reason I’ve got interested in them is because I know of a victim of the Boring Names via a concerned friend of the victim. The situation is ongoing and as a result of some convincing lies on the part of the Boring Names the victim has slung in her very good, secure but stressful job believing she can replace her income (£40k) on a flexible basis. The Boring Names are no doubt hoping she can recruit among her former NHS colleagues. She’s going to need that instant success as the last six months in FLP has broken up her relationship (two small children and an exasperated and bewildered partner also victims).

YouOKHun · 11/08/2025 13:15

@fitgirl26Soft Focus bot is now all about Live Good (‘you don’t even have to bother with a product!!!’ She says). She got kicked off Insta and FB so it’s all on TikTok now I think. It’s a good job TikTok bans pyramid schemes in line with their much publicised policy … oh wait …

fitgirl26 · 11/08/2025 13:57

Strangely enough Soft Focus Bot’s massive mansion which she claims to have bought from her FM earnings in April 2023 shows as last sale in 2015 on Rightmove. It was taken off the market in April 2023 having been up for sale for 4 months though.
Could she have…….lied?

ticktock19 · 11/08/2025 14:28

Bloody hell, @YouOKHunthat is a horrible situation and very very sad too. I hope they can disentangle themselves from the boring names because it looks like they’re f*cked. Shop is empty, name boards are still up but shop is locked up and deserted and cleaned out of all forever products. When I was there 11 months ago then they had a big display of aloe just inside the door. Nothing in there now and all the lights are off. Nantwich is a strange little town in so much as they have a reasonably busy high street / market square type area still so a dark shop is fairly unusual. I wish I knew where exactly the boring names lived as I’d be patrolling that area too. I’ve had a quick snoop by Nantwich lake but no sightings.
They were so smug in Paris and at the new ‘office’ opening that their downfall would be very satisfying but exceptionally sad for all they’ve sucked in too

Botwatch 89!!!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.
Botwatch 89!!!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.
Botwatch 89!!!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.
Botwatch 89!!!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.
Spongebobette · 11/08/2025 14:47

Excellent work on behalf of the botwatchers @ticktock19! Thank you!!

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YouOKHun · 11/08/2025 15:01

@ticktock19well well well, what a surprise. Thanks for looking! They have a massive mortgage on some other property and this looks to have been a costly exercise. I would have thought the shop would have been an obvious bad move to an accountant so it must have been set up for some other reason beyond my limited tax avoidance knowledge [very limited knowledge]. I imagine Mr BN thinks he’s a lot cleverer than he really is and has overstretched himself. Mrs BN is as much use as a chocolate teapot in a crisis as she only knows how to bed her upline’s upline’s upline’s upline and make aloe vera Lives extolling the health giving properties of the drink to offset/cancel out the piece of cake in the background or the gargantuan meal shared on social media the night before.

The only sad element in this (if we are right) is that other people will suffer if the biz has gone wrong for the BNs.

The only other possibility is illness which I very much hope isn’t the case for them because I wouldn’t wish that on anyone of course, but also because an illness that prevents the usual upline tactics from continuing will collapse a fly-by-night MLM empire very quickly. No one at Arsehole House is going to give a flying feck about an ”independent” business beyond how it affects HQ.

YouOKHun · 11/08/2025 16:04

@fitgirl26good point. Those dates don’t fit Soft Focus’s story of purchasing the mega bungalow at all! From memory she did say she had bought it and I’m sure there was a query on these threads at the time. Unfortunately she seems to be gaining some traction on TikTok, no doubt using the rented bungalow as a wealth prop among other deceptions.

YouOKHun · 11/08/2025 16:39

Mrs Boring Name is posting daily on LinkedIn under her previous last name (same as tennis player Andy). This gem of a non-compliant post was posted yesterday alongside a photo at the wheel of a Bentley. Among other things she suggests paying blindly into a pension is more risky than signing up to Forever.

Botwatch 89!!!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.
Spongebobette · 11/08/2025 16:50

Wow

Is ‘royalty income’ the new ‘legacy income’?

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YouOKHun · 11/08/2025 17:01

@Spongebobetteher LinkedIn is outrageous. All the classic MLM lies. She has +12k followers there but almost zero engagement, so that’s something. How serious is Forever Living about compliance if their top bots are happy to claim the kind of things she claims in her LinkedIn posts?

MrsDilligaf · 11/08/2025 17:19

Could one of you give me a clue for soft focus bot please. Ive already reported on Live gooder to tik tok and I'll gladly do another!

YouOKHun · 11/08/2025 17:28

@MrsDilligaffirst name is the same as the diminutive version author Trollope’s name. The second name has two syllables, the first is a four letter word to describe jumping over a rope for exercise or as a children’s pastime. The second syllable is the word “sky” but replace the k with an e.

MrsDilligaf · 11/08/2025 18:11

Thank you 😊 I've reported her!

YouOKHun · 11/08/2025 18:23

@MrsDilligafI hope you have better luck than I ever have when reporting her!

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