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Botwatch 88 !! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.

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YouOKHun · 22/04/2025 22:10

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Twentytwentyhindsight · 09/05/2025 12:37

The collective business acumen of bots and ex-bots could be compiled in 12 point type on the back of a postage stamp.

YouOKHun · 09/05/2025 12:52

@BotpottyYes it looks like someone has come along and said ‘you’ve copied us. We’ve been around longer so you’ve got to change. We have the money to pursue this further’.

It’s not surprising that it’s a crowded market as patches have had a bit of a wellness moment and loads of iffy companies want to exploit the menopause, so there are bound to be other identical products out there. They may not be going out of business right now but this is an expensive mistake and patches surely have to be a bit of a wellness fad. I therefore don’t see how they will be able to sell enough of their other patches to be able to ride out this mistake. How long before some other company with a patch for something else senses blood and decides to have a go at them for that? After all they’ve shared their weakness on social media. I guess these are the sort of potential problems that await bots outside MLM if they assume their brand of entrepreneurship is transferable.

They are holding their hands up to a lack of due diligence and I wonder if this is yet another example of misplaced confidence after some “success” in an MLM? Bringing a product to market to sell to retailers or real customers is absolutely not part of the knowledge or skills in Forever Living. Being sold a product that has little interest outside a scheme and being told to use it to attract people to sign up with absolutely no control over the products is a very different thing. This is probably a fatal blow for them.

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YouOKHun · 09/05/2025 14:09

“If you need any kind of conflict resolution Struck Off Bot is definitely your woman. I’d certainly want her in my corner in any kind of dispute!”

be careful what you wish for Yawn. It’s one thing offering coaching at arms length to Struck Off Bot but endorsing her or recommending her is probably unwise.

I suppose Struck Off has to broaden out from one type of conflict as I doubt many people getting divorced have the spare cash to pay a coach, as presumably her former colleagues are further ahead in the queue when it comes to presenting sizeable invoices for their services? No amount of coaching from Yawn or rebranding using the bot classic “smiling with large mug” can possibly cancel out this reality. That’s before any potential client does a bit of googling…

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Crikeyalmighty · 09/05/2025 14:20

@YouOKHun talking about a total lack of due diligence- we had to do a takedown of Van Morrison and a branding of an entertainment service to fans. Website/ several products/social media - the works - they simply had called something the same name. we had been going 16 years at that point with many many hundreds of products/ website/ social media - a quick google would have told them so on the hundreds of returned threads at the top of the page!! Due diligence is absolutely vital in new services/ products - I can’t help but wonder what the hell his legal team/ management were doing asleep at the wheel .

Botpotty · 09/05/2025 14:23

YouOKHun · 09/05/2025 12:52

@BotpottyYes it looks like someone has come along and said ‘you’ve copied us. We’ve been around longer so you’ve got to change. We have the money to pursue this further’.

It’s not surprising that it’s a crowded market as patches have had a bit of a wellness moment and loads of iffy companies want to exploit the menopause, so there are bound to be other identical products out there. They may not be going out of business right now but this is an expensive mistake and patches surely have to be a bit of a wellness fad. I therefore don’t see how they will be able to sell enough of their other patches to be able to ride out this mistake. How long before some other company with a patch for something else senses blood and decides to have a go at them for that? After all they’ve shared their weakness on social media. I guess these are the sort of potential problems that await bots outside MLM if they assume their brand of entrepreneurship is transferable.

They are holding their hands up to a lack of due diligence and I wonder if this is yet another example of misplaced confidence after some “success” in an MLM? Bringing a product to market to sell to retailers or real customers is absolutely not part of the knowledge or skills in Forever Living. Being sold a product that has little interest outside a scheme and being told to use it to attract people to sign up with absolutely no control over the products is a very different thing. This is probably a fatal blow for them.

yes misled confidence, arrogance or ignorance. My understanding is it only relates to the one sticker (at the moment) their latest offering developed to help those on a weight loss journey predominately targeted to those injecting. I think the name of the patch is the issue not the product.

I have no trademark expertise at all but had a quick look and I can see 2 more of their product names on their website I think will cause them an issue. I hope they are going to spend some money on proper commercial legal business advice if they want to continue to trade trouble free.

Wintersgirl · 09/05/2025 14:43

I hope they are going to spend some money on proper commercial legal business advice if they want to continue to trade trouble free

Yawn might be on hand to offer some advice, after all she knows EVERYTHING about businessGrin

YouOKHun · 09/05/2025 14:53

“Why not hide the label of your product behind a giant mug of coffee so the nasty negheads can’t bully you with claims you have copied them”.

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ZerotoSixtySnail · 09/05/2025 15:09

Juiceplus+ accounts are now 9 days overdue (after maxing out their 3 month extension.)

reminder they lost £11m in 2023 and have a negative net worth of £21m.

If I was to guess, I’d be saying that they don’t survive till summer and there is an announcement to come.

Botpotty · 09/05/2025 15:16

Wintersgirl · 09/05/2025 14:43

I hope they are going to spend some money on proper commercial legal business advice if they want to continue to trade trouble free

Yawn might be on hand to offer some advice, after all she knows EVERYTHING about businessGrin

I Double Dare you to tag her and say hey Yawn can you patch up this business as their Business Bestie? Failing as their Tiktok Presenter isn't a no, it's just a no for now.

You could also Tag Struck off she could rustle up some paperwork that predates any copyright claims (falsifying documents is her expertise as she was found guilty of it). Heck even Bruv with his crayons could get them out of this with a bit of scribble. There must be many people on their Who Do You Know List that can help them out?

YouOKHun · 09/05/2025 18:15

@ZerotoSixtySnailJuice Plus looked to be in a dire situation last time I looked. I follow a JP man-hun who operates as an Osteopath in the UK but has made a lot of money from JP outside the UK. It went very well for him during the pandemic when his antivax stance appealed but his aggression and arrogance had already got him a big downline. I think there are a whole generation of JP bots’ children who never had the MMR vaccine. He says he chose not to go to medical school even though they wanted him desperately. I think he didn’t get in and this is him kicking against it. Maybe his vegetable dust empire is about to topple? Let’s hope so.

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MaybeItsJustTimeToStop · 09/05/2025 19:56

Headband is very excited to have been sent a free Headband 😆

BangingOn · 09/05/2025 20:05

MaybeItsJustTimeToStop · 09/05/2025 19:56

Headband is very excited to have been sent a free Headband 😆

I came on here to post just that. Surely she is trolling us with that photo? 😀

Botpotty · 09/05/2025 21:27

BangingOn · 09/05/2025 20:05

I came on here to post just that. Surely she is trolling us with that photo? 😀

I nearly got whiplash coming to the comments! The free headbands have sold out now according to their UK FB Page. You can buy them on Aliexpress TEMU and SHIEN for a £1 no need to spend nearly £80 on three very basic tubes of skincare.

Spongebobette · 09/05/2025 21:30

And as usual the bots are their own best customers and being ‘a product of the product’

Botpotty · 09/05/2025 22:20

ZerotoSixtySnail · 09/05/2025 15:09

Juiceplus+ accounts are now 9 days overdue (after maxing out their 3 month extension.)

reminder they lost £11m in 2023 and have a negative net worth of £21m.

If I was to guess, I’d be saying that they don’t survive till summer and there is an announcement to come.

I've just been reading the Directors Report from their last accounts on Companies House. It's quite alarming really seeing it in written down (especially if you are a JP Rep) The Directors analysed carefully the current projections through April 2025 and noted that the company does not project sufficient funds to support operations. It goes on to say the Ultimate Parent Company will bail them out for a minimum of 12 months. Those 12 months are nearly up @ZerotoSixtySnail so I think you are right!

Sugarplum48 · 10/05/2025 08:45

Interesting observation, yawn regularly posts pics of her and her running mate on all her socials whilst promoting her mates fitness biznizzz. All the while over on her "friends" socials there is absolutely no mention of yawn, not a peep of her!! I wonder why?

Sugarplum48 · 10/05/2025 10:48

Also just struck me that yawn more than likely pays her running pal to be with as she's a fitness coach!!! And FYI Yawn, going for a coffee with your husband is hardly a date. The reality is he was taking a break from his job and to placate you and your boredom took you to a cafe!! Get a grip

Spongebobette · 10/05/2025 18:37

Botpotty · 09/05/2025 22:20

I've just been reading the Directors Report from their last accounts on Companies House. It's quite alarming really seeing it in written down (especially if you are a JP Rep) The Directors analysed carefully the current projections through April 2025 and noted that the company does not project sufficient funds to support operations. It goes on to say the Ultimate Parent Company will bail them out for a minimum of 12 months. Those 12 months are nearly up @ZerotoSixtySnail so I think you are right!

Do you mean maximimum of 12 months?

Botpotty · 10/05/2025 20:03

No Sadly it said minimum I'm afraid but hopefully they'll give it up as a lost cause rather than hemorrhaging good money after bad.

DeliaDeetz · 11/05/2025 11:49

I see Yawn's proofreading is up to it's usual standard.
The caption for the new thing she is launching states the info session is the 15th but the accompanying picture says the 13th!

Only 4 people have reacted to it on FB, well 3 if you exclude her but nobody appears to have noticed. I would have thought the person she was partnering up with for this would have been checking it out as well!

Spongebobette · 11/05/2025 13:46

It also says 7pm GMT and we are on British summer time 🙄

YouOKHun · 11/05/2025 17:38

No need to put “p.m” where she uses the 24 hour clock either. I get the feeling she is going for that “London-Paris-New York-Milan international feel. Why Eastern Standard Time? Are we expected to believe people are listening outside the Yawnsville area? Does she mean BST? Does she know what GMT is? Will anyone turn up at the right time?

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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 11/05/2025 18:44

She’s a moron. I’m currently on EST for the next week and can confidently confirm we’re five hours behind the UK, and that nobody will be dialling in from the rest of her house, never mind over the pond.

The woman she’s partnered with does actually seem to be pretty good at what she does. She’s an ex bot and I expect is in thrall to Yawn in some way which is sad. Yawn will bring nothing to the party yet no doubt expect 50% of any unlikely sign ups.

YouOKHun · 11/05/2025 18:55

Apprentice Bot is really pushing her training courses to “make more money” out of delivering her brand of “science-backed” coaching/therapy cures. She mentions the money making training course as the “bruv” course. Commenting is someone called Castle who says anyone coming to her training who have emptied their wallets in Apprentice Bot’s lap are the best students. So there is still a nice little deal between them to share the victims.

The victims are people paying to have Thief Coding and then paying to train as thief coders to recruit more thief coders, and paying again and again for the next element of the training (the usual scam). However some of them are people paying because Apprentice Bot tells them it will be the definitive cure for their physical or mental health diagnosis. I’ve seen a few who have paid thousands to Apprentice Bot and are in more of a mess than they were before which is because they haven’t been doing thief coding properly apparently. Of course Bruv and Castle want a piece of those victims.

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YouOKHun · 11/05/2025 19:07

@dickiedavisthunderthighsshe is indeed a moron. Worse than that, she is an enabled moron with no one pointing out her deficits. She’s also enough of a moron not to recognise her own limitations and therefore seek input, guidance and proofreading from someone with some GCSEs.

I suspect that people may bypass Yawn and go straight to the web ex-bot as she offers something concrete and tangible. This will offend Yawn and Web Woman will find herself in the Toxic group of ex-associates. The web woman will soon see that association with Yawn adds nothing and brings with it a whole load of hassle.

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