I've just read that teaches and nurses are only being offered 2.8 percent pay rise.

[caringcarer]

I can't get my head around why train drivers got such a good deal yet teachers and nurses yet again are being given such a small amount. Can anyone make any sense of it? Is it because teachers and nurses are often female whereas the train drivers seem to be mostly male? I imagine we'll now have strikes by teachers and nurses and who could blame them?

@caringcarer

seems appropriate to me due to the inflation rate.
the train drivers was due to implications of previous years.

I think we’re on about 2.3% inflation at the moment so that doesn't sound bad, bearing in mind the state of the nation’s finances (thanks Liz).

I don’t know what the ins and outs of the train drivers deal but I’m sure the strikes were the main reason they got what they did. Those strikes were causing big problems.

Public sector pay rises have been well below inflation for 14 years so that argument doesn't really wash.

It’s more than I’m getting. I work for a charity and the Ni rises means we are getting 0% pay rise this year.

Teachers have just had a 5% pay rise.
2.8% sounds perfectly adequate on the back of that.

Better than me in the private sector. Zero pay rise this year, just the same as last year and the year before.

Lots about teaching pay and conditions is definitely due in part to us being a female dominated work force, but in this case it's because the train drivers have an excellent union and an admirable willingness to properly pursue a dispute. Teachers have got pretty decent unions compared to most people, but nothing on them, and we don't have nearly as much appetite for action as they do. So good on them, and hopefully seeing their success will remind workers what unions and industrial action can do.

I too work for a charity and have the same. No pay rise since November 2022 for us. It's brutal

I don’t think it’s a formal offer yet? Just government laying the ground for expectations.
Last year was the ‘least worst’ pay increase for me as a Civil Servant. Still doesn’t touch the sides of the pay freezes and below inflation rises of the last 15 years or so.

They have to negotiate with the trade unions afaik. The trade unions will need to ballot their membership and then reapproach the employers and if no agreement they take a strike ballot and so it goes on round and round. Something along those lines.

You don't get a vote if you're not a union member. Afaik

Given the recent tax rises, the current and predicted inflation rates and the decent recent pay rise they can’t really recommend more. Many in the private sector will be getting nothing or a lot less because of the NI rises.

So has the private sector non of my household and majority of friends have not had inflation matching pay rises over the years few have had nothing in the private sector

This.

And they’ve had higher wage increases than many other public sector servants in recent years

Taking out the anecdotal pay rises of you and your friends teachers are some way behind private sector over the last 14 years. The 5% went towards filling that gap. Unions and teachers probably thought that a labour government would catch public sector pay up.
If you can't retain and recruit teachers then you have an issue at government level.

No they haven't, it's not fully funded. Read.

Example?

We really didn't before that 5%. Which is why we got it. That and the extreme recruitment crisis.
Teachers were on real terms pay cuts throughout the austerity years like everyone else in the public sector at times when many in the private sector were getting increases (I know, there's private sector and private sector).

Regardless of anything else we desperately need more teachers and people are just not signing up.

I'm in the public sector and I've had less than 1% pay increases for over a decade, this year it worked out as less than £1 a day.

People are leaving in droves and these that stay are going off sick due to burnout and stress.

Are they really leaving in droves though? On another thread someone was stuck doing bank work because there wasn't any local teaching positions around

This may be true in some areas and more so in primary (I think particularly the North East) but yes, they are leaving in droves and there is a recruitment crisis.
I chair the HoDs meeting for our trust (covering all of the south) and staffing issues are stark. In some areas the number of non-specialists who need extra support is shocking for a core subject.

The real problem with the pay offer is, like last time- it has to be funded by schools.

This is why there were strikes last time- as schools had already set their budgets and couldn't accommodate the pay increase expected.

wasn’t expecting anything for a while after the 5%. Especially not it has to be funded by the school.
School finances and the impact they have on workload probably cause more dissatisfaction in teaching than the lack of pay.

This. My psy has been cut almost 30% in real terms over the last 10 years.

Remember that many nursing roles are commissioned out to private companies, and those staff don’t get the same pay rise as NHS, even though they are providing NHS services.