I've just read that teaches and nurses are only being offered 2.8 percent pay rise.

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I can't get my head around why train drivers got such a good deal yet teachers and nurses yet again are being given such a small amount. Can anyone make any sense of it? Is it because teachers and nurses are often female whereas the train drivers seem to be mostly male? I imagine we'll now have strikes by teachers and nurses and who could blame them?

MOST teachers had 5.5% this year, but I work as a teacher in a sixth form college and we have been offered NOTHING!!! They want to create a divide within the public sector with a two tier system of teachers. The fact it's a labour government doing this is even worse somehow. We have been striking for weeks now - the next strike is this Friday. No coverage by the media though. Nobody seems to care. The unfairness is criminal. I'd rather we had all been offered 2% than a small number of us being singled out to get nothing (and we are the most successful teachers in that students who go to sixth form colleges do better in terms of value added than any other form of post-16 education).

True, but teachers striking and closing schools would arguably bring the country to a halt too. But it so rarely happens and if it does just for a day. This is another reason why male/female is salient- a female profession built on caring is likely to feel too guilty to exercise their right to strike much even if they were heavily unionised. They are expected, and socialised, to lie down and take it.

@Sunnyweatherfriend that's rubbish, I'm so sorry.

Teachers already had a pay rise, and no one gives a shit about nurses because we are all stupid, lazy, won't do our job, abuse your elderly mother and aren't worth anything because the Dr's really do everything. We are just nurses because it's easy and we were too thick to be Dr's............don't need to worry about supporting a family when you're one step above (just) an abuser......

I thought nurses had been offered exactly the same pay rise as nurses (5.5%)?

They get paid quite enough. They are always threatening to strike over pay and are never satisfied. The minute they get a rise they are campaigning for the next one.

No, approx 30k for a band 5 nurse is shite pay.

The level of responsibility and stress is v high.

Plus any pay rises get eaten up in extra loan, pension contributions & car parking charges.... there is a very good reason why there are 30 or 40k vacancies and 8m people on waiting lists.

But if you have PHI and/or can pay for treatment, why care?

a day here or there wont get you noticed... walk out and stay out, around exam time or the start of the academic year.

Squeaky hinge gets the most oil.

Its in your own hands.

I suspect it’s because there a lot of them and if someone leaves they can just get someone else in.

i support teachers and nurses fully but govs just do not respect those professions, its all lip service. If you don’t make money for the economy you are not top of the pile.

I suspect it’s because there a lot of them and if someone leaves they can just get someone else in.

They really, really can't.

One of the new government's top pledges was to recruit an additional 6,500 teachers. Continuing with a programme of austerity in education isn't going to go any way to achieving this.

I used to live in a country where teachers striked their way to a pay deal. It took train driver levels of action and they got what they wanted, and it was indeed a nightmare for parents and employers. We had a term with not one single untouched week.

Which country was that ?

Jersey!

You've answered your own question. It is absolutely shameful.

It is so wrong to divide teachers by sector. All teachers should get the same pay rise. They all do the same job. It's disgusting that Sixth Form teachers don't get the same pay rise. They work bloody hard getting students through exam years.

Because one of these jobs is predominantly done by men and the others by women!

Completely agree.

I would sooner have no pay rise than have one that ultimately results in me having less resources and support in the classroom.

No teacher wants to strike.

A train driver striking knows it’s going to piss people off but he doesn’t know those people.

A teacher striking knows that it means that a family will miss out on a days pay as a parent has to take unpaid leave. They know it means that the child who is abused at home will have to spend a day away from the space where they are safe and happy. They know that the child who is a school refuser and they have worked hard to get in will be pushed back. They know that a good number of parents, that they have to deal with every day, will resent them for doing it.

But BP has told schools to change banks and energy suppliers in order to make savings? So surely he can just do this?

@BoattoBolivia going by recent letters from the school I'd say it's quite widespread

They can't afford unfunded they are up against it already

The problem I see with the teacher pay rise is not the size of but that it is unfunded.

No one wants to strike, they don't get paid & most people take some pride in their work.

BUT if you want better pay, then thats what you have to do.... if you ve an employer that just keeps taking the piss out of your good will, good will you seem happy to exploit too?

Yes they will piss off parents, some of the same parents that doubtless voted Tory over the last 14 years and why we are where we are and these parents will be even more pissed off if there is no teacher at all to teach their kids.

Unfunded pay rises have been common for years but Hunt didn't fund the pay rises he knew were coming down the line, spending the money on unfunded NI cuts, a decision designed to fuck Labour and its working, trouble is, its fucking us all too.

A lot of people in the private sector haven't had a pay rise in years, be grateful for this and don't complain.

There was an unexpected contraction of the economy announced today so Reeves and Starmer will have to turn that around if they don't want to run into bigger issues with public sector pay

I've had a pay rise of exactly 0% this year so