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Botwatch 86!!! the continuing saga of MLM. When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

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Spongebobette · 01/12/2024 21:42

On this thread we are botwatchers - watching multi level marketing bots and exposing their manipulations and misleading claims

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fromdownwest · 30/01/2025 10:11

Hello all, long time no post - busy running a genuine business - actually scaling it, and having real meetings with solicitors and accountants.

Not managed to get a photo shoot or three in yet.

Also, not managed to scale to a SEVEN FIGURE business like Castle has. Does she genuinely think she has a 7 figure business?

Any how, I am currently watching MAFS Aus - on an Australian channel.

The intro has a load of celebs on Tik Tok - saying how excited they are about it starting, and who should pop up and tell us how much she loves it….

Nurse

Nurse is on MAFS Aus - i literally laughed out loud!

Anyhow, that’s all, I am back to spreadsheets and Legal agreements for the next 3 months!

Botpotty · 30/01/2025 11:21

definitelynotabot · 29/01/2025 23:13

Wow, that is dire!
Uber only 3.5k, I am sure she has qualified at 15k before.
I will see if I can find some heyday figures...

Below is the spending money from last year that they received (so genrously! on on their prepaid cards that they are always so keen to flash). Note it's in US Dollars so a 1.5k bots spends equates to just over £400.00 and no VIP check out in the Rally Shopping Area (boo hoo). Uber's wouldn't even cover a week at her own Nightmare by the Sea.

(h) 1,500 Total Case Credits (Including 50 New CC) (1.5K) 1) Airfare, lodging and meals for the Global Rally Experience 2) Rally Spending allowance equivalent to $500 USD
(i) 2,500 Total Case Credits (including 50 New CC) (2.5K) 1) Airfare, lodging and meals for the Global Rally Experience. 2) Rally Spending allowance equivalent to $1,000 USD.
(j) 3,500 Total Case Credits (including 50 New CC) (3.5K) 1) Airfare, lodging and meals for the Global Rally Experience 2) Rally Spending allowance equivalent to $1,500 USD 3) Special local gift/amenity to enhance the Rally experience 4) Use of the VIP checkout in the Rally shopping area
(k) 5,000 Total Case Credits (including 50 New CC) (5K) 1) Airfare, lodging and meals for the Global Rally Experience 2) Hotel Room upgrade, where possible 3) Rally Spending allowance equivalent to $2,000 USD 4) Special local gift/amenity to enhance the Rally experience 5) Use of the VIP checkout in the Rally shopping area

Spongebobette · 30/01/2025 12:05

Brings back memories of overexcited bots in Sweden queuing for a branded mug 🙄

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Spongebobette · 30/01/2025 12:05

Brings back memories of overexcited bots in Sweden queuing for a branded mug 🙄

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Spongebobette · 30/01/2025 12:17

How weird, I didn’t mean to post that twice!

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YouOKHun · 30/01/2025 14:49

Castle boasting on FB that three of her "students" have each received their £20,000 National Lottery grants and didn't know they were eligible until they were in her group.

If that's true then they could be legitimate people obtaining a grant for a legitimate endeavour with Castle latching on to it as a way of enticing people into her group. I hope that's as far as it goes. I wonder what members of her group have received grants for (if it's true)?

Twentytwentyhindsight · 30/01/2025 17:48

All while boasting about how Bruv is helping her spend her parents' money on her latest vanity project...

Spongebobette · 30/01/2025 17:52

lucky they have a shop fitting business isn’t it

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YouOKHun · 30/01/2025 18:27

@Twentytwentyhindsight I was looking at the photos of Castle's soirée with her higher spending victims and wondering if they paid for their own food or if her parents paid. They really are a pair of wasters. I've got little sympathy for the parents but I hope for their sake that they have plenty more money to cover the costs of their children's hobbies and for the support and care they will need one day as I expect should they need support they won't see their grifter offspring for dust (though possibly they will glimpse them when they are corralled into taking part in the odd "caring" photo opp on the annual visit to see them).

@Spongebobette I always misread the word shopfitters as shoplifters! It may be a more appropriate description when it comes to Castle and Bruv. Is he still brown-nosing Apprentice Bot with her "science-backed" woo woo, does anyone know?

definitelynotabot · 30/01/2025 18:27

Why did Castle leave?
If she was pulling in 12.5k CCs back in 2016 she will have been raking in (I can't say earning!) a reasonable amount.

getahhtmapub · 30/01/2025 19:39

fromdownwest · 30/01/2025 10:11

Hello all, long time no post - busy running a genuine business - actually scaling it, and having real meetings with solicitors and accountants.

Not managed to get a photo shoot or three in yet.

Also, not managed to scale to a SEVEN FIGURE business like Castle has. Does she genuinely think she has a 7 figure business?

Any how, I am currently watching MAFS Aus - on an Australian channel.

The intro has a load of celebs on Tik Tok - saying how excited they are about it starting, and who should pop up and tell us how much she loves it….

Nurse

Nurse is on MAFS Aus - i literally laughed out loud!

Anyhow, that’s all, I am back to spreadsheets and Legal agreements for the next 3 months!

What?? I don't understand?!

getahhtmapub · 30/01/2025 19:49

@fromdownwest omg I just watched it and you are right! There she is in a montage of random TikTokers 2 and a half minutes in!

Butterflyfluff · 30/01/2025 20:31

Yawn must have been so torn about posting the photos with head FLP slimebag - those plastic trouser look dreadful but it’s a snippet of her being included.

BotOff · 30/01/2025 21:45

Castle is a bum!! Seven figures my big fat ass! Today I found out from an excellent source that the parents did indeed go live in Castle’s garden because she couldn’t afford to keep up with the lifestyle! They had a beautiful home and sold it so they could help her! I know you guys have always said this, but was unsure whether anyone had heard the truth from an actual good source. Trust me when I say my source is HOT! Also her and ex bestie never were actual real besties in FLP. It was all fake too. Apparently ex bestie was marginally nicer than Castle and they were constantly falling out. Fall outs were down to Castle and her big head that goes with her big forehead. The parents money pot surely must be drying up hey. Oh and crayon bot is just as big a bum as her too. Don’t feel sorry for the mother though as the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, and Castle is definitely a chip of the ole block.

YouOKHun · 31/01/2025 00:35

@BotOff I'm not surprised by what you say. I think in the beginning Castle was probably attractive to FLP because she already had some family money and could look the part. So FLP made sure she had the downlines and the tools to show what life as part of FLP was (allegedly) like. She was put on a pedestal by other people's resources and has been propped up ever since by other people's resources. Her attempts to set up businesses are laughable but people are dazzled by her house, car etc. It's much easier for her to cover up her incompetence which is a disaster for those who continue to put their trust in her. The only reason she hasn't continued to flog that dead horse is because she could afford to. It's very different for the likes of Yawn.

As for her friendship with 2Jags - there must be very few authentic friendships in an environment were the self serving and self obsessed are the winners and they are all in competition with each other. Every week people like Yawn and Castle have a new best friend. The more they talk about female empowerment and friendship among them the more convinced I am that they loathe each other. There is nothing empowering about being manipulated by a bunch of MLM suits.. I think 2Jags seems nicer than some of the others and seems to steer a careful line between Yawn and Uber without falling out with anyone which is impressive in that environment. I am surprised she couldn't save the 724 day, 16 months to a year, 27 days to a week Planner* business with her understanding of profit and turnover.

*what were the typos in the batch of planners Bruv had to rub out with his brand new eraser?

BSintolerant · 31/01/2025 00:48

Nothing surprises me about Castle @BotOff. I heard that her parents gave her a six-figure sum to buy her way up the FL pyramid. Does anyone remember the exact figure?

YouOKHun · 31/01/2025 01:33

I in can't remember @BSintolerant. I want to say £400k but that is probably much more than it was!

I just went to look at her name at CH and I see she has a few more limited companies set up since the summer including a coaching company with a Mayfair registered office. This company is set up with another woman who has just set up an office cleaning company which has the same name as a coaching company she already owns (which doesn't look too healthy). I predict another car crash similar to the Fierce falling out. I hope the senior Castles can still cancel their Saga cruise as this could be expensive.

Spongebobette · 31/01/2025 07:32

I wonder if they have put as much effort into insulating that garage as they have choosing the flooring etc

it’s still a garage, even if it’s got cupboards in and big windows

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BotOff · 31/01/2025 08:46

I personally knew some names from the hey days, witnessed stuff with my own eyes, and it’s absolutely true she bought her way to the initial title of manager, as was the same with the mother, both siblings and 2 Jags. Their promotions catapulted her quickly to bigger promotions which then gained the attention of HO. She had the made up perfect story, the sweet looking blonde image, and obviously the ex cop bullshit. Let me tell you, she was damn good and Oscar worthy! Using that murdered police woman in her story was the lowest of the lowest! Absolutely fabricated her connection! People Victims were clamouring to join here and then later FLP were giving her leads that was coming in direct to HO. The gross thing is, as her ‘fame’ and head grew she began to tell the odd favoured leader how to stack to do the same! I’m not saying she started it but she certainly made it become the ‘norm’. She and the likes of Uber believed they were untouchable (they weren’t though and got their dues, but that’s another story I can’t share right now) It was out and out fraud, not only defrauding FLP (which obviously they didn’t care about because they gained) but it was defrauding all those innocents that were led to believe everyone had an EQUAL opportunity upon joining to do the same. It’s crazy and sad she is still getting away conning people! I so wish she would be exposed once and for all.

As for 2 Jags, she isn’t nice at all (slightly better than Castle) but just as evil and vile. Yawn, you have her absolutely spot on too, was pretty despised by other lower bots back in the day too. It’s been delicious to watch the downfall and it was like watching car crash TV back then. I predicted it and sat back and watched everything I said come true. No real business acumen, no morals, integrity and not a drop of human compassion… it truly was a recipe for eventual disaster! Ok they made big bucks for a time BUT vast majority didn’t make enough to last a lifetime or invest wisely. It was one big cess pit of SCUMBAGS!

PS @YouOKHun I absolutely love reading your posts and only wish I knew you back then. I truly believe you would’ve been perfect to of helped us and others bring it down helluva lot faster! I do also believe that this thread has no doubt helped numerous victims upon finding it on good old Google. Keep up the good work fellow bot watchers ♥️

Sugarplum48 · 31/01/2025 13:23

The stories l could tell you about yawn!!

Spongebobette · 31/01/2025 15:02

Yes I try to remember to write Forever Living rather than abbreviating it to FL, so it gets picked up by search engines

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Mielabel · 31/01/2025 15:14

Sugarplum48 · 31/01/2025 13:23

The stories l could tell you about yawn!!

im intrigued!

YouOKHun · 31/01/2025 16:51

@Sugarplum48 @BotOff if you ever decide to record your experiences of MLM and the kind of personalities and behaviour that goes on, perhaps in some sort of blog then it would be interesting to read it!

That's kind of you to say BotOff but others have and still do much more than I've ever done. In fact the whole MLM industry is doomed to fail in its present form with no help from us but I really believe anti MLM commenters and critics have done spectacular damage to it along the way.

I didn't start watching MLMs until about 2014/15 and only really got focussed when Juice Plus and Younique set their sights on PND groups I ran in a children's centre in one of the poorest boroughs in London where a Younique mascara represented a huge chunk of money to individuals who'd been convinced that Younique was their route out of having to use the food bank and a fix for their PND. It was shocking. Once you start watching you just see such manipulation from the top down. The trickiest part is working out when a victim becomes a perpetrator.

There were already a lot of people watching Forever Living, highlighting the lies and misrepresentation of the bots and taking a lot of flak for it. Many had friends or partners caught out by it others had been involved and realised it was financially damaging and a pit of snakes. For me Timeless Vie, Botwatch, Elle Beau, Talented Ladies Club, the Anti MLM Coalition, Miss Sponlie's FMW take downs and a host of other ex-MLM content creators made people look at MLM more critically and highlighted each lie by the companies and their reps. I am sure you're right @BotOff about these Botwatcher threads having helped people along the way.
Having doubts and being alone with them is difficult but the more bad experiences people share, then they can understand that it's not them, it's a negative experience shared by others.

Those groups and commenters led to some very negative MLM media coverage (sadly interspersed with lazy advertorials). Then came the pandemic which created a whole load more victims. It also brought MLM behaviour to the attention of a whole load more people who were disgusted by behaviours such as the harnessing of charity to increase volumes etc (that's still going on).

Now it's a much reduced "industry" in the UK but it hasn't improved in any way, it's just lost its power. Personally I won't stop banging on about the curse of MLM (and the parasitic trainers and coaches attached to the industry) until they are recognised as the pyramid schemes they truly are and stamped out (though I expect I'll be in the Twilight Home for the Decrepit long before that happens).

Right, back to work...

Sugarplum48 · 31/01/2025 18:05

Picture a wedding... Yawns wedding to be precise. Imagine being ordered to attend but not allowed to be part of the actual wedding or allowed food at the reception. Imagine you are there purely to make it look like you're her friends and when you don't comply to her ridiculous demands at her wedding reception she comes and screams and l mean screams that it's her wedding and for us as a group to go inside the venue to act like her friends. We all left and went to a pub. We all only went as we worked with her and knew it would be really awkward at work if we didn't go.

ItWasnaMeGuv · 31/01/2025 18:38

getahhtmapub · 30/01/2025 19:49

@fromdownwest omg I just watched it and you are right! There she is in a montage of random TikTokers 2 and a half minutes in!

Which series/episode is it? Is it on channel 4 to watch? Intrigued Grin

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