Botwatch 86!!! the continuing saga of MLM. When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

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On this thread we are botwatchers - watching multi level marketing bots and exposing their manipulations and misleading claims

What a fucking shameless shill

@Botpotty Yes, pretty difficult to get one’s head around isn’t it? I guess in the world of this sort of scam anything is good publicity. It’s a similar to the world of conspiracy theorists who support Mr Tate isn’t it? Look at Wig cheering him on while he spouts his misogynistic crap. ALL Livegood and the distributors care about is the visibility RB gives them. There are lots of Livegood people excited about RB and many of them are women. They probably don’t read any of the coverage of his alleged serious assaults in the U.K. and US. Alternatively, they have fallen for his current born again persona and think he’s a “victim of the system” and all the many unconnected women who have apparently come forward are part of a deliberate attempt by the establishment to shut a hero down. I’d be really interested in how Homeschool squares it because she has had a tricky history with men, or so she has implied. She looks like she’s struggling enough already and is looking increasing wound up with most posts aggressively countering the criticism she is clearly getting.

A wellness scam is right up RB’s street as it aligns well with his manic cult leader personality. An entire psychiatrists’ conference right there.

For any mainstream or legitimate business, the taint of an association with Russell Brand would be toxic

but in the murky world of network marketing, where you can be persuaded up is down and black is white, he fits right in

Can someone explain why you’d pay a monthly fee to be a member of the unlucky girls’ club, which apparently provides you with absolutely everything you need to be successful in every area of your life

but then pay a fee of £222 for an 8 week course on how to succeed in business?

There is no explanation. She's selling forever living in a box. She's essentially selling a course on how she coaches her victims to sell the over priced crap they sell. It's yet another scam. She's panicking and skint. No amount of pleather, con artist mindset coaches and pratting around like a bellend at photoshoots is going to make her money.

yes to all of this @YouOKHun very well put. I think the Christian angle (born again bullshit) is right up the certainly USA's MLM's street and even if they don't know his current situation being born again absolves him from it and we are all just haters.

Homeschool has become increasingly manic in her lives and looks like she has developed some kind of tremors or shakes. I don't know if this is due to anger, desperation or illness or a combo of both, but if I was her and had her personal history RB is the last person on earth I'd want any association with.

She is a mother of young children and "Step Children" so I hope her toxic ranting and instability is contained on her lives and not in the home. It must be a desperate way to live in that house and could all be avoided with the much shunned 9-5 J.O.B, poor children.

I wonder if any of the suckers who sign up to Yawn’s wealth course actually look her up on Companies House?

I think people with common sense are filtered out very early in her ‘funnel’

only the clueless will pay her for business advice - people who actually have critical skills would not think ‘I want to start a business but I don’t know what!!’ is a good starting point

I’m not sure that last sentence made sense. I may be catching BOTulism 😂

If they do they're probably star struck by all those huge figures, they probably think that's the money she's actually making each year not noticing that any figure in brackets is a negative and they probably think the Directors loan is her money anyway so not to worry! That's how stupid they are. They'll see what they want to see...

Asked AI about succeeding in Forever Living….

Forever Living Products, like many multi-level marketing (MLM) companies, can be tough to find success in. Here's a breakdown of some key reasons:

1. Market Saturation:

* High Distributor Numbers: MLMs often have a large number of distributors competing in the same market. This makes it difficult to stand out and build a substantial customer base. * Product Familiarity: Many people are already familiar with and loyal to existing health and wellness brands, making it harder to convince them to switch to Forever Living products.

1. Business Model Challenges:

* Focus on Recruitment: The MLM model often incentivizes recruiting new distributors over actual product sales. This can create a focus on building a downline rather than developing sustainable customer relationships. * Inventory Loading: Distributors are often encouraged to purchase large quantities of inventory, which can lead to financial strain if they are unable to sell it. * Income Disparity: MLM income structures often favor those at the top of the pyramid, with the majority of distributors earning little to no profit.

1. Product and Pricing:

* Premium Pricing: Forever Living products are often priced higher than similar products on the market, making them less appealing to price-conscious consumers. * Product Claims: Some Forever Living products have been criticized for making unsubstantiated health claims, which can damage the company's reputation and make it harder to sell products.

1. Skills and Effort Required:

* Sales and Marketing: Success in Forever Living requires strong sales and marketing skills to attract and retain customers. * Time Commitment: Building a successful Forever Living business requires significant time and effort, often including attending meetings, training sessions, and recruiting events. * Competition: You're not just competing with other Forever Living distributors, but also with established brands and businesses in the health and wellness industry.

1. Negative Perception:

* MLM Stigma: MLMs often have a negative reputation due to high failure rates, aggressive sales tactics, and questionable income claims. This can make it difficult to recruit new distributors and customers.

It's important to note: While success in Forever Living can be challenging, it's not impossible. Some individuals do achieve financial success through hard work, dedication, and effective sales and marketing strategies. However, it's crucial to go in with realistic expectations and a clear understanding of the challenges involved.

Just watched yawns fb posts about this wealth era rubbish she is now pushing. What she outlines she is going to offer you tells you nothing. her video trying to promote it shows a person who looks both incredibly tired and deluded by her own lies. She has now admitted to sinking thousands of pounds into this new venture which has clearly made her little to no money. She also clearly doesn't know what she is doing. She does not have to knowledge or expertise in helping anyone to set up or run a business as her horrific debt shows she clearly has no clue how to run a successful business without getting yourself in to tremendous debt that you have no real chance of getting out off. I truly hope anyone stupid enough to get involved with her does their research first. Mind you from what we continue to see stupid is as stupid does!!!

She looks absolutely knackered

It's very clear things are not working out but she doesn't or won't do anything else which is utter madness. Her debt is the only thing she is successfully growing

Her daft husband needs to tell her to knock it off and get a bloody job...

He won't though. He's not what you call very bright. He was always a complete wet lettuce of a man. As my father would say "weak and wet".

No he won't but I live in hope....I've just seen how much that branding photograper cost her, Christ almighty what a waste of money

If she had any sense she'd get a job, even a part time one would help, and she could do this thing in the nooks and crannies of time she's always banging on about, she wouldn't have to give up Unlucky girl but at least there would be guaranteed money coming in every month

Why is Yawn saying that six months ago, which she then wisely corrects to a bit more than a year ago, she was asking herself what business to start and how would she market herself and "it was all a complete blur to me". That's strange because a few weeks ago she was kicking off her Unlucky Club saying she'd run two successful businesses before. Which is it?

If she was asking herself those questions then it was definitely six months ago as that would have been in the middle of July when there was trouble with Uber and FLP and she had to spend August coming up with a convincing grift that would save face. A little over a year ago she wasn't thinking about an alternative bizniz as FLP was "secure" and the way she marketed herself was via income claims and other fibs (that's not changed).

So it was MLM business as usual this time last year but in the quick timeline correction she wants her followers to believe she always wanted to do what she's doing now and there were many months of careful planning and no way was this a panic reaction to being silenced by FLP. But this apparent long term planning to start a business also flies in the face of the woo woo way she effortlessly manifested her business. Where are the beams of light and the lucky Buddha in today's version? Again, which version is it?

Yawn really needs to hope that her followers have slightly shorter memories than she does.

...or puffy eyed from crying?

But this apparent long term planning to start a business also flies in the face of the woo woo way she effortlessly manifested her business. Where are the beams of light and the lucky Buddha in today's version? Again, which version is it?

Yes exactly, I remember the beams of light, orbs, butterflies, knitted angels left at her gate, burning sage to cleanse the house, waving magic wands, crystals BUT now Yawn she believes in the SCIENCE, she's been banging on Witchy stuff about for months! She's so rubbish at keeping her story straight it's laughable

Where did you see this? I’m nosy

I clicked on the link on Yawn's page, I get the feeling she may have paid for a package where you get 3 or 4 (can't remember) quarterly shoots for £3000 or you can pay £250 a month! A one off package costs £450, so even if she's not done the package and done the one off, that's still £900 she's parted with. Oddly enough every single shoot from other clients looks the same as Yawn's, same old same old...

Doh, it's 4 shoots!

I’m guessing she bought a few shoots in bulk as that’s the only way I can possibly think to explain her doing so many unnecessary branding photoshoots for a fledging business that’s not yet in profit. Or for any business. Not a single successful self employed or freelance person I know has had a single branding photo shoot, I just went through them all in my mind…

With the ‘coaching’ fees on top I wonder how much she has sunk already. And then there’s the director’s loan and house issues. I don’t understand. Does she have money coming in from somewhere else? I’d be unbelievably stressed. I’d be forced to do something practical at that point for my family. She could’ve done a course in plumbing and all sorts!

One personal peeve is when ‘business advice’ from these unqualified business coaches consists of basically finding what you like and trying to make money out of it. That alone ruins so many women’s lives. The way to get a successful business is to think of how you can help other people, not how you can have a jolly. Hopefully you enjoy your work but that’s starting the wrong way round. We would have a planet full of yoga teachers and bad artists and no one to do practical things. There’s no shame in having hobbies, not everything has to be profitable to be worthwhile. Sometimes you just need to do a normal job people need and are happy to pay you for as it’s not all about you.