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BOTWATCH 78 - the latest thread in a VERY long series about the deceptions practised by MLMs. Unbelievably people are still being hooked in by these schemes where 97% of those who join LOSE MONEY

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Spongebobette · 04/08/2023 17:33

BOTWATCH 78 - the latest in a long series of threads where we keep an eagle eye on the lies and deceptions practised by MLMs. Unbelievably people are still being hooked in by these schemes where 97% of those who join LOSE MONEY and the top bots are struggling to pretend they are taking it in

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YouOKHun · 13/09/2023 14:30

@Lostmyway86 you're right that women make up the majority of MLM victims, I think it’s north of 75%. But it’s almost entirely men pulling the strings - female empowerment it ain’t.

The Mormons are the architects of this “entrepreneurship for women” which was designed to given women a pin money earning opportunity without any real power or autonomy and to keep them in their role as the stay-at-home parent. As luck would have it there was and is pretty much zero regulation in Utah as well. The products were created to appeal to those women; home products, cosmetics etc. It was always about the containment of women, and it remains so today.

Women have got two very attractive “weaknesses” as far as MLM is concerned. 1)we are likely to have the primary responsibility for childcare and therefore are the ones most likely to be grappling with childcare and inflexible jobs. If we are also grappling with low pay and inflexibility then that makes MLM look very attractive. We are also the ones who may have a break or pause in our working lives; an MLM loves a new parent. 2) the way women (generally) communicate and the social networks we have is like gold to MLM. They want to monitise our social circles.

Men are pulled in to it too but generally the products aren’t pitched at them, but when they are pitched at men and they are vulnerable in some way then they fall for it just the same - crypto Ponzi schemes, Utility Warehouse and ACN have lots of male victims.

Ultimately any vulnerability will do male or female; social isolation, debt, bereavement, job loss, poor mental health, financial illiteracy, disability, caring responsibilities, there isn’t anyone or any circumstance that won’t be exploited by MLM and their representatives who know that they must continually recruit anyone at any cost to that person. People enter MLM thinking they have to sell products to succeed and when this can’t be done they fall away having lost money or hop from MLM to MLM thinking it’s them, or realising it isn’t working they shift sideways to coaching people who are looking for answers about how to make the unworkable work. Then there are those who realise that it’s not a product selling business, it’s a system of continuous recruitment and internal sales as a way of passing money up the pyramid. Those people see an opportunity to line their pockets and are happy to lie and manipulate people to strip them of their cash and a lot more besides. Those are the ones discussed here mainly.

The ruthless are the only ones who can potentially make money and some do, yet strangely even those “successes” are not able to sustain good earnings and must create an illusion of success to sell the “opportunity”. Those “successes” are just as vulnerable (perhaps more vulnerable than those at the bottom) to the MLM deciding to pull the plug because they are not in control of their “entrepreneurship” in a faltering and shrinking “industry”. It’s the Yawns of this world that really disgust me. They KNOW what they’re doing and they don’t give a shit ☹️

YouOKHun · 13/09/2023 14:45

@HouseofHolbein I thought Yawn’s exBFF was Specsaver but she doesn’t seem very “ex” at the moment, but it could be Welsh Bot who has a very similar last name to Specsaver which means I mix them up. Someone will be along to put us right hopefully. Castle’s former BFF is indeed 2Jags.

Sugarplum48 · 13/09/2023 14:46

It's very telling that yawns tiktok figures have significantly nose dived!!!!

HouseofHolbein · 13/09/2023 15:10

Norma27 · 13/09/2023 13:32

@HouseofHolbein
First name think of singing all around the world .
surname is the 2jabs politician.

I've got her she's castles exBFF 😊 she's not yawns as well is she?

Angrymum22 · 13/09/2023 15:52

Yawns ex BFF has a difficult name to give clues to.
Yawn is boasting again about being debt free. Her downline and potential victims are probably too thick to check her out on companies house. A 200K directors loan that has been B&B’d for the last few years is not a debt free situation. In fact instead of being tens of thousands in debt when she started her “business” it has grown to hundreds of thousand. Not quite the business growth intended.

Angrymum22 · 13/09/2023 16:06

Yawns exbff
First name xxxxxx Harry ( singer 70s/80s - Heart of glass)
Second name - currently most common Chinese surname with an N at the front and wa at the end.
Hope this helps.

YouOKHun · 13/09/2023 16:11

Of course @Angrymum22, I’ve got a brain like a sieve - Yawn’s exBFF’s massive “symbol of success” car and undesirable postcode was only discussed the other day…

Norma27 · 13/09/2023 16:12

YouOKHun · 13/09/2023 14:45

@HouseofHolbein I thought Yawn’s exBFF was Specsaver but she doesn’t seem very “ex” at the moment, but it could be Welsh Bot who has a very similar last name to Specsaver which means I mix them up. Someone will be along to put us right hopefully. Castle’s former BFF is indeed 2Jags.

Yawns ex bff was not specsaver. I don’t even know how to give cryptic clues! First name married to the famous magician Paul Daniels.
surname is her ex husbands which is hard to find a code for

HouseofHolbein · 13/09/2023 16:56

Angrymum22 · 13/09/2023 16:06

Yawns exbff
First name xxxxxx Harry ( singer 70s/80s - Heart of glass)
Second name - currently most common Chinese surname with an N at the front and wa at the end.
Hope this helps.

Found her thank you 👍

Angrymum22 · 13/09/2023 20:48

Yawns latest tictoc is her best fib to date. Has she deleted all her home gym videos? My arse is it all down to walking. She is the absolute limit.

meatbaseddessert · 14/09/2023 09:27

Spongebobette · 13/09/2023 05:07

Nurse’s daily updates are about how she slept - really scraping the barrel!

Todays missive includes detail of her cars' tyre pressure and a child's wobbly tooth.
The other day she was absolutely exhausted from the mere thought of doing the school run. After the deathly dull insight into her daily plans she'll introduce some kind of offer on her coaching sessions.

Who does she think is her Insta audience? It's hardly professional. My physiotherapist doesn't start her insta lives with a detailed assessment of her gas boiler issues and what she bought from Home Bargains yesterday.

YouOKHun · 14/09/2023 13:20

@Sugarplum48 have Yawn’s TikTok numbers gone down? I had only noticed that she had a remarkably large following of random and unlikely followers but hadn’t noticed the numbers dip. How much does it cost to buy followers?

Sugarplum48 · 14/09/2023 17:50

It's actually frightening that yawn feels she can and will give weight training advice. She clearly from having watched the 6 million vids she did that she has little to no idea about weights. Funny how all those videos have stopped!!! Yet again l imagine ot was all smoke and mirrors with how much exercise she actually does and who goes on a hour long walk in high heeled boots???

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 14/09/2023 19:21

YouOKHun · 14/09/2023 13:20

@Sugarplum48 have Yawn’s TikTok numbers gone down? I had only noticed that she had a remarkably large following of random and unlikely followers but hadn’t noticed the numbers dip. How much does it cost to buy followers?

She's got a ridiculous number of followers, but her video views are nosediving. At some point TikTok will do a bot sweep as well like Insta did...

SnoogyWoo · 14/09/2023 19:23

On yawns most popular post it’s about 900k and she has pinned that one. The latest post is 1k with others in the 10k to 30k range.
The latest one has 1 comment as well.

definitelynotabot · 14/09/2023 21:47

Call me cynical but there's an AMA thread this evening which I am sure has been posted by an FL bot... keeping an eye to see if the oblique references become more overt.

YouOKHun · 15/09/2023 00:49

@dickiedavisthunderthighs ah yes, I see, viewing figures dropping not followers. Let’s hope Tiktok does indeed do a bot sweep.

@definitelynotabot is that the AMA from the marketing expert with a health and wellness business? The word “wellness” sets off my MLM radar!

definitelynotabot · 15/09/2023 04:20

YouOKHun · 15/09/2023 00:49

@dickiedavisthunderthighs ah yes, I see, viewing figures dropping not followers. Let’s hope Tiktok does indeed do a bot sweep.

@definitelynotabot is that the AMA from the marketing expert with a health and wellness business? The word “wellness” sets off my MLM radar!

Yes, that's what set my MLM radar pinging too!

Angrymum22 · 15/09/2023 12:33

Why does Yawn spout so much utter rubbish. The early signs of liver damage do not include oedema and bloat. Bloat , or rather ascites is associated with cirrhosis and your liver is pretty much shot if you are bloated.
In the early stages you suffer with nausea and weight loss NOT WEIGHT GAIN.
I suffered acute liver damage due to a fertility drug I was given. I lost over a stone in 2-3 weeks and felt like I was dying. It was bloody awful. Her little stories about a very serious condition are misinformed and utter rubbish as usual.
Please do not give medical advice Yawn you are not bright enough or qualified for such complex activities.

Angrymum22 · 15/09/2023 12:37

Yawn has admitted that she takes meds for hypertension in the comments. Yet another lie exposed. She claimed that her BP was back to normal after losing the weight. I do wish she would keep track of her own lies.

YouOKHun · 15/09/2023 13:11

Quick screen shot of that for comparison with Yawn’s previous posts about her BP. She says it’s hereditary but even so, there will be a contradictory statement elsewhere.

She is obviously keen to engage problem drinkers going by her hashtags and has already picked up some comments from people who have pretty substantial current problems with alcohol. For these people stopping alcohol abruptly could be very dangerous indeed. She needs to be very careful not to cross over the line into advice or implied advice/instruction about cleanses etc.

I notice she isn’t willing to answer the direct questions about how much she actually used to drink and what her actual test results were. She wants their engagement but she wants to be “aspirational” so she can’t really comment on any realities. I also think this is because what she had at the GP was a fairly standard warning about her health and an offer of some kind of “support” to lose weight; it wasn’t a crisis or an intervention and I think one or two people have spotted that and are asking for specifics.

She’s also managed to offend a couple of people and one person has posted “she loves herself this one”.

spanfan · 15/09/2023 13:29

I always knew yawn was a hateful thick idiot but just seen her tiktok about how her husband "stayed with her through her fat years"

Wtaf. Irrespective of their relationship, that statement is so wrong on so many levels.

It's just is so basic, so brainless and effing rude.

Why do MLMs seem to focus on thinness and beauty as the route to success. They all do it. PHd with wearing a bikini is another one.

And then Castle seems to suggest that doing 25 burpees every morning will make you a 7 figure income.

It's insulting to the extreme. How about all the strong women ( and men for that matter) who build successful businesses with skill, intelligence and integrity. They don't need a manicure or collagen to do that. 😎

DeliaDeetz · 15/09/2023 14:06

Latest round of Nurse stories...she's had her nails done, kid still hasn't lost his tooth (she's hoping that happens at school so the teacher has to deal with it!!) and due to a variety of excuses reasons she didn't get any work done on her workbook yesterday!

However she was gonna do a couple of hours this morning before coffee, lunch and a chill afternoon.

Think I might give this coaching lark a go, sounds like a piece of piss compared to my job, although I at least know I'll have a guaranteed wage at the end of each month.

Spongebobette · 15/09/2023 14:39

That remark about praying that the teacher would have to deal with the tooth coming out REALLY boiled my piss

a teacher with 25+ other 6 year olds to teach - yes great why not wish an additional task on them you lazy person!!

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Spongebobette · 15/09/2023 15:44

Massive eye roll - she’s posted ‘business ladies who lunch’

she’s having lunch with her hairdresser

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