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MLM Bot Watch 77: MLMs are scams, you will lose money and paying £97 for an ‘official’ certificate won’t change that

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Spongebobette · 02/06/2023 15:22

we continue to call out the bullshit peddled by MLMs and the scam artists on the fringes who making money from coaching and pretend certificates

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kittykitty007 · 05/06/2023 08:41

Long term lurker here! So how do we know Castle bullied and cheated her way to the top? I feel a lot on these threads are starting to be pure speculation as opposed to fact ( please correct me if I'm wrong 😊)
I was in mlm still have an account as actually like some of the products albeit overpriced but so far not been able to find high street alternative. But never recruited or "worked" the business as I believe mlm sets you up for failure and that's how these threads the more I looked into network marketing I saw desperation from reps and found it all rather sad 😔

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kittykitty007 · 05/06/2023 14:10

Spongebobette · 05/06/2023 10:20

This is quite informative and there are other pieces on the same site which explain the deception further

https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/what-does-it-take-to-reach-the-top-of-an-mlm-like-forever-living/

Thank that was an interesting eye opening read!

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 05/06/2023 17:17

Thanks for the new fred!

Yawn's posted a photo of her table full of customer orders and definitely not her own monthly pile of overpriced aloe-based shite.

It also took about 3 mins of Googling to find at least two CPD courses on Multi-level marketing at £19 and £29 respectively

SoosanCarter · 05/06/2023 18:13

I imagine Mr Yawn took the opportunity to clear out the garage whilst she was away ‘working’.
Also, Yawn, it’s “reins”, not “reigns”.

Spongebobette · 05/06/2023 18:13

What? You mean a CPD Certificate for MLM isn’t a brand new, game changing amazingly original new idea???

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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 05/06/2023 19:50

Spongebobette · 05/06/2023 18:13

What? You mean a CPD Certificate for MLM isn’t a brand new, game changing amazingly original new idea???

Who would have guessed?!

Angrymum22 · 05/06/2023 20:08

Latest post suggests that Yawn may be considering opening up her gym to her fat club.
Unfortunately you can’t just open a gym in a shed. So many rules when you open your property to the public.
“The legal considerations are broad and could include proper licencing from the council, paying business rates, restrictions on rented properties compared with mortgaged properties, risk assessments for on-site injuries, and generally being compliant with local rules around running a business from your home.” From the Institute of personal trainers.
It’s unlikely she has planning permission for her shed so would fall at the first fence, planning and would probably end up having to apply retrospectively for permission for the existing shed.
So many problems with opening up your home to the public.
Because she has weekly business meetings with her team in her home she may be in breach of her insurance and/or mortgage.

BSintolerant · 05/06/2023 20:24

She’ll be dusting off the bot potty again! 🤣

YouOKHun · 05/06/2023 20:46

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 05/06/2023 17:17

Thanks for the new fred!

Yawn's posted a photo of her table full of customer orders and definitely not her own monthly pile of overpriced aloe-based shite.

It also took about 3 mins of Googling to find at least two CPD courses on Multi-level marketing at £19 and £29 respectively

The other day Yawn said she only sells 4 products to her customer base of just 25 people. This was said while in showing off mode along the lines of “my product selling business is so successful yet easy to manage and rather exclusive”. I can’t for the life of me think how 25 customers are keeping Mr Yawn running around all weekend while he has the reigns (sic). I also can’t think how Yawn hopes to hide her participation in a pyramid scheme by telling us all that she is only selling four products to just 25 people - how is she claiming she makes her fortune - selling not recruiting? I think it’s fair to draw the conclusion that most of that pile of product is Yawn’s own purchases and any customers she mentions are in her downline or about to be signed up against their will/without their knowledge/without the correct information.

It’s just as well there isn’t much customer facing stuff for Mr Yawn to do as he’s spent all weekend photoshopping Yawn’s Cannes pictures and there is only so much one man can handle during a weekend which also included getting old sofas out of a nearby skip. I can only think it’s been possible for him to run this massively successful business, create a gym, lug an old sofa home and do all that photoshopping due to the motivation of having the Thatch to himself and no reason to stand there gurning for yet another selfie.

Re the multitude of Network Marketing CPD offerings online, did it not occur to Castle that if she was going to claim to be the first she ought to have a quick Google and see if other offerings pop up just in case one or two of her sharpest bot followers might actually see for themselves that Castle’s CPD offering neither original or new? It is mystifying why some of them just accept her word.

YouOKHun · 05/06/2023 21:21

Angrymum22 · 05/06/2023 20:08

Latest post suggests that Yawn may be considering opening up her gym to her fat club.
Unfortunately you can’t just open a gym in a shed. So many rules when you open your property to the public.
“The legal considerations are broad and could include proper licencing from the council, paying business rates, restrictions on rented properties compared with mortgaged properties, risk assessments for on-site injuries, and generally being compliant with local rules around running a business from your home.” From the Institute of personal trainers.
It’s unlikely she has planning permission for her shed so would fall at the first fence, planning and would probably end up having to apply retrospectively for permission for the existing shed.
So many problems with opening up your home to the public.
Because she has weekly business meetings with her team in her home she may be in breach of her insurance and/or mortgage.

Absolutely @Angrymum22 and I’m sure we will all be lying in wait for her to try and kick off something commercial without attending to all the issues you mention. There’s also the issue of public liability insurance if she plans to give any advice or instruction that could lead to injury or harm to others - so many problems with sharing your “knowledge” to a paying public even if they manage to swerve being injured by the thatched roof finally giving way or one of her low slung dogs tripping up them up.

PieonaBarm · 05/06/2023 21:31

@YouOKHun

Yawn's "low slung dogs"

I'm crying 🤣

YouOKHun · 05/06/2023 21:45

@PieonaBarm My mum was brought up with Bassett hounds, the ultimate low slung dog and she refers to them as “the doubly incontinent trip hazards” whose only early warning system that they were about to get under her feet was their breathe which could have felled an army at twenty paces. I can just see one of Yawn’s fiddly little hounds tripping up a customer as they enter Yawn’s torture chamber/shed.

YouOKHun · 05/06/2023 21:58

Or punters could be injured by one of the many step ladders leaning up against every wall in readiness for a photoshop opportunity. Or inhaling French Chic™️paint or placing their arse on Yawn’s new “soft genuine leather” sofa should it turn out to be highly flammable as old sofas often are. It’s not just the danger of the Forever Living business opportunity at the Thatch, it’s fraught with the kind of hazards that Yawnsville County Council will want to assess. What a shame their Trading Standards isn’t more interested in assessing the FLP biz opportunity to see if it looks exactly like a pyramid scheme.

BSintolerant · 05/06/2023 22:07

Yawn’s low-slung dogs probably have better form than she does.

TribeD · 05/06/2023 22:23

Oh god...The thought of anyone being very badly trained by Yawn in her shed gym is making me cross.

She isn't trained or experienced in fitness and nutrition, and will probably flog all manner of garbage to her "clients"

YouOKHun · 05/06/2023 22:49

TribeD · 05/06/2023 22:23

Oh god...The thought of anyone being very badly trained by Yawn in her shed gym is making me cross.

She isn't trained or experienced in fitness and nutrition, and will probably flog all manner of garbage to her "clients"

@TribeD Yawn has a certificate in nutrition she downloaded from the internet which has every bit as much value as Castle’s £97 CPD certificate! What could POSSIBLY go wrong in her shed?

@BSintolerant I wonder if her dogs have been photoshopped on CruftsTune®️and are in fact three legged, toothless, flea bitten muts?

BSintolerant · 05/06/2023 22:58

@YouOKHun 🤣🤣

If the quadrupeds (or not, as the case may be) have been photoshopped and filtered beyond recognition they would still have better form than Yawn. It’s a doggy-see-doggy-do business (in a shed).

BSintolerant · 06/06/2023 06:25

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 05/06/2023 17:17

Thanks for the new fred!

Yawn's posted a photo of her table full of customer orders and definitely not her own monthly pile of overpriced aloe-based shite.

It also took about 3 mins of Googling to find at least two CPD courses on Multi-level marketing at £19 and £29 respectively

But are they “official” certificates @dickiedavisthunderthighs ? Castle’s are unique because you have to colour them in yourself (unless Bruv gets his crayons out and does it for you). 🤣

Twentytwentyhindsight · 06/06/2023 09:31

Sounds like the next wheeze- £50 for a Bruv masterclass in colouring in the certificates (without which they are not officially official).

Howsimplywonderful · 06/06/2023 10:48

I think castle might have over valued her CPD verificate if she’s three times the price of the other ones.

i think by next week castle will be a 9 figure earner as an 8 figure earner isn't doing it

YouOKHun · 06/06/2023 10:59

JL Bot is back as, you guessed it, a coach. She has worked hard to become an accredited Tony Robbins coach apparently (that’s a red flag if ever there was one). She is there to help “empower women” (what does that mean exactly?) whether they are entrepreneurs (signed up to a hopeless MLM) or business owners (signed up to a hopeless MLM). I hope she will be cautioning her followers about the pitfalls of ending up insolvent, her own experience of network marketing would be the most useful lesson she could give.

Network marketing coaching is a very crowded marketplace isn’t it?! If any of us want to be coached by people who couldn’t make it work themselves we have loads of people to choose from. Not one of them remotely credible mind you. Oh dear.

fromdownwest · 06/06/2023 11:33

Interestin reads on her web page, I wonder if she has requested permissions to use NHS, Samaartans, John Lews, BBC etc on her 'worked with' section..

PieonaBarm · 06/06/2023 11:51

Castle currently live on Insta. 7 people watching and I reckon one of them was me when I clicked on to see how many were watching!

Howsimplywonderful · 06/06/2023 12:08

Did you not get a hi pie on a barn 🤣