MLM Bot Watch 77: MLMs are scams, you will lose money and paying £97 for an ‘official’ certificate won’t change that

[Spongebobette]

we continue to call out the bullshit peddled by MLMs and the scam artists on the fringes who making money from coaching and pretend certificates

@fromdownwest I wonder if FLP could get into trouble, not just the bots on an individual basis? They might say “it’s up to our independent business owners to make sure they comply with various laws” but I wonder if they can claim that? Ultimately they are representatives of FLP and their commercial life is FLP. They share information with FLP, FLP tells them how to operate. Isn’t it up to FLP to at least tell them they may need to be compliant and registered? Or would FLP claim that FLP is compliant and bots are merely collecting basic information.

Whatever they say I find strange that MLM is yet again allowed to do it’s own thing and operate in a grey area to the detriment of everyone associated with it.

Her roof has gone from tinder box to sponge in a few short hours!

I believe that I am in the same field as you, YouOKhun and I would be in serious hot water if I casually declared I’ve lost/misplaced my clients details! It makes me go into cold sweat thinking about it!

@Ooowhatshappeningnow luckily you are probably not flashing your Louis Vuitton planner around in the nearest Costa and then leaving it there!

Talking of therapy and specifically CBT. Nurse is reiterating her offer to do telephone and online therapy. She says she’s able to treat all sorts difficulties including trauma and OCD. She has been asked a question about whether she treats “Pure O” and says she does. This is a bit of a trick question as there is really no such thing as Pure O as there is ALWAYS a compulsion even if it’s subtle or entirely internal - she should know this and it’s important. I thought I’d ask her in DMs to expand on the answer she gave. It’s very clear she isn’t CBT trained from her response. She could pick up clients because of her previous job as a MHN and would obviously be more aware than many about certain risks but only in the NHS context I suspect, not when she is sitting in her bedroom on the phone to someone who may be really struggling. She’s another one who therefore probably isn’t ICO registered and should be for sure (if she has any therapy clients). I doubt she is insured either.

Underneath her post about offering therapy for the above and also for grief, depression and PND. She has a post saying that if you want a positive day you need to get up thinking positive because mindset is everything. She woke up feeling grateful and positive and had the best day! Let’s hope that isn’t her instruction to someone who is depressed, grieving or struggling after the birth of a child.

Wow someone like her could really do some damage

That’s frightening. Can anything be done to stop her before she does some real damage?

She could be reported to the ICO perhaps?

Yawn's "weight loss journey" has been good for her no doubt, but I also have no doubt that it's due to ozempic, Saxenda etc.

Now she's claiming to be a size 8 I have the following predictions

1. trip to turkey for tummy tuck and arm surgery

2. eventual sob story about body dysmorphia and how deep down, she still feels fat even though she's a size 0 (in reality a 12). Perhaps she'll do a bodybuilding comp and then really ramp up the competitive undereating.

This will be followed by rebranding as a mindset coach and helping women to be their best self, no matter their size.

It’s all very well Yawn doing a 5k on her treadmill and 10k on a gym bike as marathon training but she really needs to be out there putting the hours in and practicing going up and down hills. I know she exercises a lot but she really needs time in her feet, in her boots and carrying her rucksack.

@daffodilstreet I’m sure your prediction is right about Yawn.

At some point she is going to run into some kind of trouble or problem in her life (as we all do) which she won’t be able to style out on social media. I mean big things like bereavement, financial Armageddon, serious illness (I don’t in any way wish these things on her just to be clear). Most of us tackle difficulty in relative privacy without having constant pressure to be positive. What’s someone like her going to do if something really bad happens? It’s a precarious existence both financially but also psychologically.

Today she tells us she’s only working a total of 8 hours this week, presumably to make others envious. I suspect there are only eight hours this week where she might possibly earn some money but she must have already have been working 8 hours today filling up her SM feed.

They all lie about how much time they spend on their bizznizz. No way is she doing 8 hours a week.

She claimed recently she’d ‘worked her socks off’ to get to Bali
so what’s the truth?

Forever Living Products (UK) Ltd accounts are out on Companies House 👀

Sales decreased 19%

That's 20% less money going into the pyramid.
No wonder they're pushing the events side of things- it was a nice little earner for them before CoVid.
However, with fewer bots all with less disposable income, I don't see it saving them.
No wonder the new country manager is desperately doing the rounds trying to galvanise what top bots are left.

They usually mention compliance as a risk - but bots continue to make all sorts of claims 🙄

Nutritions and health claims are a big issue but not as big as the income opportunity claims being made all the time but the people who absolutely know they’re lying.

Their compliance team will never get a grip on the wild claims made because the pressure on the “independent business owner” bots is too great, they HAVE to lie about the opportunity and/or the products to keep recruiting and selling to those recruits. Who is someone like Yawn going to listen to? Someone from compliance requesting a change in her SM fiction or the new country manager breathing down her neck telling her to do whatever it takes? The whole set up depends on false claims.

Castle telling her minions a reel that they should choose people over profits. The exact opposite of what she's ever done.

I'll be very intrigued to see the top bots companies house financials especially Yawns. Her's are due the end of June so that will make very interesting reading. How does she make out she's a size 8 now?? you can clearly see she is'nt or does she think if she manifests the thought enough she will magically make people believe her even though you can't see it!!! Oh Yawn word to the wise, dont drag your poor dogs out in this heat eh love!!!! It is'nt cool and it is'nt clever!!! mind you youre not very clever are you!! Liars rarely are!!!!

*by the people!

Oof - less than £400K net profit. There is a note to say that despite the drop in everything, the directors still believe it can be a going concern. I wonder how long that will last for though?

Ah, but will you apply for accreditation from the Federation Of Online Learning Suppliers? A certificate from FOOLS will be invaluable...

I saw yawn today and I would say she does look a size 8. I did a double take at the amount of weight she's lost!

Good for her but I don’t care what size she is or claims to be

what I care about are the lies she tells about how she lost weight and the lies she has always told about the ‘business opportunity’, the lies she tells her own wealth and how she exploits women

Yes she has definitely lost a lot of weight @Lemieux3 a fact she is now using to give unqualified health advice to her followers.

As @Spongebobette says, it’s the many lies she tells people that’s the problem. She has been so dishonest with her followers about her weight loss (photo manipulation and claiming FLP products had a bigger hand in it than they could have done) that it makes the skeptics focus on the inconsistencies and look for the truth the whole time, which is never what she presents. That’s before we get on to all the lies about the viability of the business opportunity. Ultimately her dress size isn’t the real concern; fat or thin she’s dishonest.

Oh 💯 I'm no fan of hers at all. She's a fake person out for what she can get off the backs of others. I've known her since primary school.