MLM Bot Watch 74: The latest thread about desperate bots desperately botting

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New Fred

I shall expect not a peep out of her till about 9th January, then

@BSintolerant do not make me focus at that level of detail!

150 slimming pies, boil in the bag health food all washed down with an aloe chaser. That last bit of cuisine costing more lb for lb than lunch at the Savoy. It’s not appetising.

Talking of appetite, out there in influencer world (my natural home 🤣) I notice more and more how the blingy ones are out in the cold. The appetite for flash isnt there in quite the same way. It’s become out of fashion to flash your lifestyle and just as out of fashion to flash the lifestyle you pretend you’ve got. How to maintain an endless cycle of recruitment now? What if the sight of your white rangey doesn’t impress and just comes across as tone deaf? What will Yawn do? It is getting harder and harder. And the weight loss journey, what happens when you’re at your goal? Where’s the mileage in staying the same from an engagement point of view? The only way she will get engagement on that front is to share the return journey to size 18 and sell all her thin clothes on Vinted. Otherwise there’s nothing to see!

25 days off to scratch around for orders and panic about 2023; that fucking great big directors loan, the collapsing thatch and absolutely no feasible way of earning a living. It’s the ones she has recently tricked I feel sorry for.

Crap, crap, crap.
Hope it's ok if I brain-dump?
It is going somewhere.

Friend from Uni, call her Louise, both (very) middle-aged, went to Uni at a time when fewer people did.

After Uni we moved to another city together.
Then settled in a different place, married, had DCs, stayed best friends, in the same place.

Since we moved away from each other we have keep in touch.
Our DCs are young adults. We both own nice enough houses in naice enough areas.

Louise was always going to make it rich. Though we both have solid, well paying careers, they aren't the kind where anyone will hit the big time, rather provide a comfortable life.

Both of Louise's husbands have been 'flash'. The first was a con artist (literally). Her current DH is in sales.,
Louise herself

Continued...

Louise herself does have form for finding the next get rich quick scheme.

We've been on WhatsApp and suddenly she is trying to shove templespa products at me.

Yesterday I was complaining about the menopause. She's got a cure for that!

To dissuade her I told her about my skincare routine, she has one product for all of that no she doesn't.

I would like to stay friends.
How do I negotiate this?

You just need a firm "Thanks but I'm not in the market for anything new." They have scripts for every reason you'll give so you just need to shut it down and change the subject.

Yes that’s good advice

they do have scripts and any reason you come up with will be countered so you need to be firm (and even then she’ll come back to you in a month or two and try again)

so ‘no thank you’ and if she asks why ‘not for me, thanks’

Just noticed a post on Yawns fb page of one of her dogs in snow. Must be an old one. We had a very slight fall of snow nearly 2 weeks ago but it was overnight.
The woman just can’t help herself.

Thank you, that is good advice.
Until now I have just been changing the subject, obviously I need to hit it with a firm 'no'.

It's difficult not to give her the MLM lecture, suddenly she is in a cult.

I'm frustrated, she is old enough and smart enough to know better. She is in the position to make serious decisions about the lives of others. I know that she's joined an MLM, not taken up a crack habit but still, it makes me question her decision making.

Yawn is saying a tube of aloe gloop jelly can work miracles and can last 5 years
it’s in an ordinary tube - so I wonder whether it had the usual label of ‘use within 12 months of opening’ as it’s not in one of those vacuum pumps

Anyway nice to see she’s having a break from flogging the gloop 🤣

Oh (yes I am a bit bored)

Haha!

It would also also appear that the main difference between her "before and after" lash pics appears to be... some eyeliner!

@AgainWithTheDadJokes welcome to the thread!

Saying no (don’t bother with “thank you: brainwashed bots are a hard-faced bunch) and not giving any reason at all for your refusal is excellent advice.

MLM might not be as bad as a crack habit but it’s the gateway drug to coaching.

Day 1 of Yawn's 25 days off and she appears to have worked as well as posted some of the usual product crap on FB.

"Just 'interrupting' my holidays" on day one...

Sleaze is off to Vietnam on the 28th, wonder whose sofa Santa will be visiting him on until then!

I've told her that I have a dermatologist (private healthcare is one of DH's job perks) and I wouldn't put anything on my face unless the derm approved it.

I'm sure that my dermatologist will say it's fine, but expensive and you can buy the same stuff elsewhere but cheaper.

Interesting to me that she is selling this stuff. I know what she earns, it's a good enough wage, I can't imagine that she would sell this crap unless she needs the money.

Hello to everyone, I'm going to read back a bit further, don't understand some of your names but I guess that's the idea

The gateway drug to coaching.
Apologies for being stupid, do you mean life coaching?

@AgainWithTheDadJokes BSIntolerant means that people get pulled into MLM believing it’s all about selling the product, not realising they’re the customer and their uplines are rewarded for what they (the Downlines) buy not what they sell to genuine customers. Then it goes one of four ways, coaching being one of those ways :

1. they throw in the towel because they realise it doesn’t stack up and they can’t make money (the smart ones but still part of the 99.6% failure rate in MLM).
2. They don’t work out it’s all about recruitment and keep haemorrhaging money trying to sell product whilst believing their “team” is sincere and supportive (the most vulnerable, making up the majority of the 99.6% failure rate in MLM).
3. They cotton on to the fact that to make any money they must recruit, recruit, recruit and keep replenishing their victims. To do this they must forget any kind of moral compass. These people are styled the “success stories” of MLM and often have huge loans or other income sources which mean they can keep going and use the house/car/handbag/holiday bought with the other income to imply success in MLM (ref Yawn for example). They may also be Z listers who have a large SM following from which to recruit.
4. Those that fall into 3) have to keep up appearances when the mass recruitment is failing (because even the “success” is very unstable) and so create a coaching business which will then be used to coach those in 2) to achieve “success” in a bizniz those in 4) already know can’t succeed long term (eg Scamversity, and the Ninja).

MLM is the gateway to the scammiest of scammers; the “network marketing” coaches.

it’s highly likely your friend will tell you that as it’s Temple Spa it’s a cut above the riffraff and it’s sold in Harrods blah blah blah. It doesn’t matter, it’s still an exploitative biz model even if it’s naice middle class ladies buying more than they sell to each other - sooner or later someone gets damaged by it.

The coaching can be dressed up as business coaching with the business always being MLM (Scamversity), NWM “success” coaching (Scamversity), health and wellness coaching (Yawn), quasi therapy “coaching” (Nurse), magical thinking bullocks coaching (Nurse). There are loads of self styled coaches, the examples in brackets just the tip of the iceberg. Your friend is currently on the Titanic 🙁

You’re not being stupid at all. I’d call it alleged coaching which comes under the broad umbrella of the sort of life coaching and business coaching delivered by unqualified dabblers who couldn’t find their arses with a map.

A lot of bots also branch out a variety of therapies which don’t require them to complete accredited courses or to gain recognised qualifications before they can practise. Over the course of these threads we’ve seen examples of alleged life coaching, alleged business coaching, and in Yawn’s case some very peculiar exercise and nutrition advice.

PhD bot is a financial coach who can teach you how to manifest money out of thin air. Weird Willy is a seven-figure coach who can teach you how to make seven figures - just like him- despite the fact he actually drives a delivery van for a living. Fierce and Castle claim to have skills to coach entrepreneurs via an online university, which they claim is the first of its kind. It’s a murky world out there, but we can always ask Dimbot to get in touch with the Angels (or St Andrew the next time she bumps into him on the way to the loo in a community centre) to show us the light. 😉

Oh that’s reminded me to check on what Weird Willy is up to…

I wonder if he’s still sniffing basil?

Ah.

‘Coaching’ people who are ‘too agreeable’

Thank God I’m in the Awkward Squad! 🤣