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MLM Bot Watch 66: Missing Messiah and cheap lounge wear

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acatcalledjohn · 17/04/2021 09:42

As you were.

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Spongebobette · 05/05/2021 19:09

How much are they paying to watch online Success Days? It’s a rip off at any price

CurlsandCurves · 05/05/2021 20:03

I'm interested to know what the numbers were like pre Covid. I do think Success Days played a big part in incentive to get to x position. Will they be able to achieve that Success Day atmosphere over Zoom? I can't see it. Or had they got low before Covid? I've not looked at this for a long while so was really surprised.

Back in the day I got a front row seat to my first success day for free because of my upline, it was a massive incentive to really go for it with my new ‘biznizz’. Can’t help but say the atmosphere in the room was absolutely electric. And the venues got bigger, to where they could no longer hold just one national success day anymore they had to split it somehow. I don’t recall what they did at this point.

And like others have said as the years have gone on, the venues have got smaller. I recall the top bots being verrrry careful with their camera shots to avoid showing the empty seats not so long ago.

Surely if anyone was around 15 or so years ago and is still around now, they must be wondering where it’s all going wrong. And working on an escape plan/alternative career option.

CurlsandCurves · 05/05/2021 20:04

Sorry, first paragraph was quoting @definitelynotabot

Spongebobette · 05/05/2021 20:22

My friend, who Homeschool hooked in, went to a Success Day in 2016 I think it was and there was a huge stream of Managers parading across the stage
When I saw the video she shared I was taken aback - I’d never seen anything like it, grown women grinning and posing with sashes on like some weird beauty pageant and with a whooping audience
They were all going on about ‘recognition’ and there were people on stage boasting about their income
It all seemed so ... unEnglish ...

definitelynotabot · 05/05/2021 20:23

@CurlsandCurves

I'm interested to know what the numbers were like pre Covid. I do think Success Days played a big part in incentive to get to x position. Will they be able to achieve that Success Day atmosphere over Zoom? I can't see it. Or had they got low before Covid? I've not looked at this for a long while so was really surprised.

Back in the day I got a front row seat to my first success day for free because of my upline, it was a massive incentive to really go for it with my new ‘biznizz’. Can’t help but say the atmosphere in the room was absolutely electric. And the venues got bigger, to where they could no longer hold just one national success day anymore they had to split it somehow. I don’t recall what they did at this point.

And like others have said as the years have gone on, the venues have got smaller. I recall the top bots being verrrry careful with their camera shots to avoid showing the empty seats not so long ago.

Surely if anyone was around 15 or so years ago and is still around now, they must be wondering where it’s all going wrong. And working on an escape plan/alternative career option.

I do remember that.. when Success Days used to sell out. I can't remember what they did about splitting them, didn't they have a separate one for Scotland at one point? You're right about the atmosphere, it really was quite something. Very difficult to replicate. Same with business presentations. A packed room full of people all being positive - I can't help wonder how online ones compare.

I was interested to read in the company accounts a reference to decreased sales and it being harder to sell health products.

I suspect it's a perfect storm and the slow down in numbers has put it on a downward spiral which is going to be difficult to recover from.

I do know some people still in the business but I've noticed that they aren't quite as high up the ladder as I'd have expected them to be by now, given where they were when I was involved. Now I know why....

VeryLittleOwl · 05/05/2021 22:06

I received the following in an email today (name of person redacted):

Now, I am not one for any sort of ointments or potions, but I know that there are plenty of you out there that like this sort of stuff. I do however “partake” of aloe vera drinking gel every morning but that is about it. I get mine from XXXXX “making you healthier and wealthier” XXXXXXXXX who runs a network promoting the benefits of Aloe Vera products from a company called Forever, for use both internally and externally, I have no doubt that she would have something to help with those Zoom Wrinkles.

XXXXX has had an interesting journey to establishing her part time business working from home. Over 14 years ago she started working under the umbrella of Forever Living Products, the Aloe Vera Company. As she says herself, she was looking for a replacement income to enable her to retire early from her full-time job in further and higher education. You maybe know the feeling.

She had always had an interest in all things health and well-being and after trying Forever's aloe vera based products and seeing great results on herself (she was her own guinea pig) she began to share information about their products with family, friends and work colleagues.

She took the plunge and retired early from "the day job" of almost 30 years in 2012 and has never looked back. She now runs her successful Forever business part-time working from home.

You could say that she helps people stay healthy through recommending and retailing the wide range of aloe vera based health and wellness products.

But in addition, she also shares Forever’s business opportunities by showing people a different way of working which is flexible and fits in with existing day-to-day family and work commitments. This way of working involves personal contacts and building customer relationships and good old fashioned referral marketing. We all do this to some extent but I think XXXXX has it nailed.

If you would like information about Forever's product range (for your Zoom wrinkles) or income earning opportunities, then just get in touch with XXXXX. Check out her website, or you can email her.

And which unscrupulous promoter did I receive this from? My accountant. My flipping accountant, of all people. They send out a weekly business newsletter. I can only assume that they haven't done their research, so I sent them the following reply:

"I am very, very surprised and a little disappointed to see an accountant promoting a multi-level marketing company. By Forever's own figures, 88.6% of the people who signed up to Forever Living in 2018 made absolutely no money whatsoever, 7.86% earned just $105 a month on average, 3.42% averaged $1,493 and just 0.2% averaged $28,512 a month - and those figures are turnover, not profit. There's a good summary of some of the issues with this company here (which gives the source for those numbers): www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/how-much-money-can-you-earn-at-mlm-forever-living/

I'm glad for XXXXX that she has a successful business out of it when so many don't, but the whole model depends on people signing up new recruits to work underneath them and getting commissions from stock they buy which they have very little hope of selling. I've seen so many people get into serious debt because of this company's emphasis on 'fake it till you make it' and encouraging new sign-ups to load up credit cards buying stock, and often these are people who have signed up at a time of desperation in their lives because they've lost their job or have an unexpected huge expense to cover.

Normally love the newsletters though, so please do keep sending them!"

No response yet.

Twentytwentyhindsight · 05/05/2021 22:10

@VeryLittleOwl Time to change accountants.

fromdownwest · 05/05/2021 22:25

I would question the accountants GDPR policy if they felt this an appropriate use of client data.

My change of accountant letter would halve been in immediately, if they show this lack of due diligence in their mail shots, I would not want my taxation calc at their mercy.

BSintolerant · 05/05/2021 23:07

I would question the accountants GDPR policy if they felt this an appropriate use of client data.

Agreed - this is appalling. Are you tempted to drop them in it with the ICO and the relevant financial authorities?

ticktock19 · 06/05/2021 00:10

Just seen this posted by a hun who now refers to herself as a No 1 bestselling author and is under chip shop bot in the newly relaunched U.K. version of Revital U. The irony of who any 'royalties' will be donated to beggars belief...I'm sure we'll all rush to download our copies 🙄

MLM Bot Watch 66: Missing Messiah and cheap lounge wear
MLM Bot Watch 66: Missing Messiah and cheap lounge wear
CompleteBarstool · 06/05/2021 07:14

No.1 best selling author?! I thought that was Roomie

Funny how they all just freely use these terms.

Is the publisher the ex-bot who publishes lots of these bot books? She must rake it in from them all clambering to tell their story.

VeryLittleOwl · 06/05/2021 08:27

It will have been done with the bot's agreement, they often feature a client business in it. I'm considering my options, I've been with them for over a decade and they've always been great - plus where I live there isn't that much choice. I'll give them a chance to respond.

BotOff · 06/05/2021 08:41

Good Morning
So in answering the question regarding Castle etc! Yes, all the top bots have cheated their way to the top in many ways! In fact the stacking technique to get to manager, I was told spread mainly from her. There was another high up bot (first name same as Homeschool but can’t remember surname. Was a beautician I was told) she told someone that it’s how she got to where she was after taking tips/advice from Castle. What a disgusting practice! 🤮 They preach to the lower bots ‘Everyone starts off the same with a business in a box and has the exact same equal and fair opportunity bla bla bla’. Truth is this - they cherry pick who they are going to give recruits and push sales through to push them to manager! How fake and unfair is that not to mention corrupt and against rules (again FLP know but turn a blind eye). So, back when it was booming and taking hours just to get all the newly promoted managers across the stage, that is EXACTLY why in vast majority of cases! Oh, and for Yawn and any other bots watching, don’t challenge me because am sure if a media channel with some balls finally investigated there would be plenty willing to speak up and prove it at last!

You are all utter disgraces NOT business people. Making money through fraud does not make you one. No integrity, no moral compass, no class and certainly NO HEART you b##tards!

In answer to another question - yes it goes on in ALL MLM’s. Every damn one of them have ‘leaders’ manipulating the comp plans!

Jeez, I have so much more to spill from a totally reliable source that I could easily become a best selling author on Amazon 😂😂

Get stocked up on the popcorn for BotOffs next instalment 🍿

BotOff · 06/05/2021 08:47

One more before I go to work! In the boom time HO had lots and lots of people contacting them to join. All these people were always given to the likes of Uber and Castle so they had an unfair advantage and huge help building! Often Uber etc would place under those they cherry picked to help build (only because it benefited THEM directly not out of kindness might I add)! FLP really is a cess pit of the very worst behaviour as is all MLM 🤮🤮🤮

Garliccoriander · 06/05/2021 09:10

A Younique bot has posted on local fb. It seems a lot of locals are on the ball ⚽️and she has had the usual replies.

imabothunter · 06/05/2021 09:42

So that would explain why the top bots never seemed to struggle getting paid, even on the downturn, when we would be convinced that their businesses was on the verge of failing. The bots like of Yawn will always get paid because of the previous stacking under her to keep her afloat!
Hence that's why the same people always keep getting the cheques etc. The only ones that fail would be the one's that either fell out of favour somehow or the ones that got too greedy - or the faces didn't fit. It's a closed shop with a certain hierarchy - as long as you know your place in the system, you will always be taken care of.
I do hope that some journo type people watch these threads -expose the lot of them - charlatans and fake monkeys!

definitelynotabot · 06/05/2021 09:47

Thinking about it, I remember someone in a related line telling me that they found out quite late on, that their listed sponsor was a downline of the person they had signed up with - I've no idea how this was managed but I did think it was really off. Big, big, big name sponsor, too. So I can only conclude it's rife.

Having said that, I knew plenty who got to Manager without doing any of this , but it will have been much harder work....

imabothunter · 06/05/2021 09:53

The only people that would ever benefit joining FLP would be those that knew someone in the closed circle and what their relationship would be with the bot in question.
In a sense it's very "Ponzi" pyramid like - with the currency being recruits i.e people and by rinsing each one systematically until they either quit or run out of cash - you could continually keep feeding the organisation - I wonder if it's currently still in operation???

Twentytwentyhindsight · 06/05/2021 10:59

@imabothunter - precisely because it is a pyramid (Ponzi + product), it cannot continue indefinitely. The bots at the bottom are never going to make it and quit. They have to be continually replaced with fresh blood. There is a finite number of people who will fall for the scam, and that number gets smaller as more bots drop out and others hear the horror stories.
That is why, while the top bots will be protected for as long as possible (they are the main advertising asset and know where the bodies are), it will inevitably collapse in the end as the supply of new recruits - and therefore cash - dries up.
Having closely observed FLP UK for a number of years, both the company accounts and the fortunes of the top bots at the time of their boom, it was clear they have been going into terminal decline in the last few years. The pandemic and associated job losses have given them a temporary reprieve, as they are able to suck in desperate people, but it will be short lived.

Garliccoriander · 06/05/2021 14:08

The article on the BBC website about people going back to the office features a lady who is a confidence coach 🤷‍♀️ Her webpage is very new age jargon.
The irony is she states childcare and working has been hard the past year.

Spongebobette · 06/05/2021 14:45

@VeryLittleOwl

It will have been done with the bot's agreement, they often feature a client business in it. I'm considering my options, I've been with them for over a decade and they've always been great - plus where I live there isn't that much choice. I'll give them a chance to respond.
I’m interested to know how they’ll respond to this It’s not good that they shared this with their clients, if nothing else it adds legitimacy to MLMs
Waveafterwaveslowlydrifting · 06/05/2021 18:03

I can't wait to see Castle getting a real job. One day she will have to.

Spongebobette · 06/05/2021 19:19

I think she’ll send her parents out to work before that happens

Waveafterwaveslowlydrifting · 06/05/2021 19:22

Too true @Spongebobette what a brat!

Twentytwentyhindsight · 06/05/2021 19:56

But who would do all the work around the house?