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MLM Bot Watch 63: shining a light on a devastating, damaging and destructive business model

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GoldenKelpie · 03/10/2020 08:18

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SSDGM · 01/11/2020 13:40

Have I read her before that WW has been divorced several times before?

BSintolerant · 01/11/2020 17:23

People like Weird Willy who are self-appointed therapists shouldn’t be allowed near vulnerable people. Why isn’t the coaching industry regulated?

I seem to recall that he said he’d been married twice before and both exes were emotionally abusive @SSDGM

If Yawn tells any more lies her nose will grow so much that she’ll need her stepladder to hold it up.

Spongebobette · 01/11/2020 18:50

My alarm bells go off very very loudly when I see Mr Homeschool’s videos

YouokHun · 01/11/2020 18:56

I couldn’t agree more @BSintolerant and @CodenameVillanelle. Unfortunately “coach” and “therapist” can mean a huge range of things, as we know. I’m really concerned by his forays into therapist territory, because of the people who may seek him out. On one of the threads someone comments about a relative and wanting to get them involved in the WW programme, but they sound vulnerable and as if they are really struggling - this is not somewhere WW should go. From what I can see, WW is using vulnerable others to shore himself up, that’s not a good thing at all. Speaking as a psychotherapist myself, there’s a huge amount of initial and ongoing training around the MH Acts, around safeguarding, around risk management. We are trained to recognise what is beyond our remit. There’s nothing more scary that someone who has done a quick counselling or therapy course thinking they can handle someone who may present as one thing but be properly unwell. The properly trained and experienced are not nearly so gung-ho. I wonder how he will spot potential risk, how he will manage it? If he has “therapeutic” input into someone’s life and they harm themselves he could have to attend an inquest. How will he explain his approach, will he be able to produce notes about the therapy session by session? Is he insured? We have to have fairly hefty insurance. Where will he go for guidance - to his clinical supervisor? Does he think that online groups via Facebook allows him to opt out of responsibility if something happens? It is really concerning that anyone can set themselves up as a therapist and pay for an “accreditation” - how are the public supposed to know what they’re getting?

In a since deleted thread WW mentions “handing all his power to homeschool”. Here’s someone who has just come to the end of another relationship where he was the victim of emotional abuse. He needs to do some thinking about whether he is the victim every time because it’s hard to compute that having watched his lives with Homeschool and his manipulation of various women (why just women WW?) in his programmes. Of course I’m not an expert on his past but he does use this a bait which just gets me thinking he’s really very bad news. Being “Zany” and dungareed, like a narcissistic Mr Tumble is not enough of a distraction from his rather sinister behaviour, to my mind.

CodenameVillanelle · 01/11/2020 18:58

Absolutely agree. I've come across plenty of emotionally abusive women but a greater number of emotionally abusive men who present themselves as victims. WW gives off major vibes of the second type to me.

Spongebobette · 01/11/2020 19:17

Excellent post @YouokHun

Enthusiastic, overconfident amateurs are dangerous

CompleteBarstool · 01/11/2020 19:52

Good post @YouokHun.

Can I ask if you still follow Roomie's exploits?

I'd be interested to know how you view her foray into working with victims of childhood sexual abuse, domestic violence, those suffering with anxiety and clients who need "empowerment and support" when she's clearly quite vulnerable herself and although she has worked in the area of DV some years ago doesn't appear to have any recognised qualifications in counselling/therapy (although she did attend some "follow the light" type retreat course a couple of years ago)

Popihola · 01/11/2020 20:20

I'm keeping everything fingers crossed that a Covid positive person coughs all over wig and shrek.

Popihola · 01/11/2020 20:21

*Every finger 🙄

Sforsh49 · 01/11/2020 20:27

@Popihola send them round my house, I'll get my husband to do it!!! He's ready to help the Anti-MLM Covid Deniers movement Wink

Jasmin82 · 02/11/2020 01:45

I got a further email from the possible dog food MLM today. Still nothing about how their ambassador programme works. It seems you have to go through their training and score at least 80%. The way the email is worded makes me feel like it is a MLM and anyone who applies is going to score at least 80%.
I'm debating doing the training just to see how dodgy it is.
I'm currently at 85% this is a MLM.

Spongebobette · 02/11/2020 15:18

I like Christmas as much as the next person but get really irritated with people who put up their tree and decorations on 1st December

But 2nd NOVEMBER???
Come ON

CodenameVillanelle · 02/11/2020 16:35

I'm sure they are being told to use Christmas as a marketing tool

Harrogate38 · 02/11/2020 18:05

Unmasking the Pyramid Kings - Crowd1 scam targets Africa

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-54750044

Same shite, different bucket. No welfare safety net for victims in developing countries.

watnochequeagain · 02/11/2020 18:08

Another one coming down the road - exploiting those in poor countries, fake pyramid patterns, products and just downright evil..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-54750044

OscarRIP · 02/11/2020 20:54

@Spongebobette

I like Christmas as much as the next person but get really irritated with people who put up their tree and decorations on 1st December

But 2nd NOVEMBER???
Come ON

I used to put decs up 1st December, because we would spend Christmas with my parents (seven hours drive away) so I wanted to get my money's worth of the tree Grin. Now kids are grown up and away, we don't put tree up at all just dress the mantlepiece.

November does seem a bit early though Hmm.

Spongebobette · 02/11/2020 21:37

WHYYYYYY would I take any advice about ‘breaking the 6 figure barrier
from a man driving a food delivery van who lived in a tiny flat???

Who claims to know the answers to why I’m not earning 6 figures in network marketing?

Why would ANYONE listen to him?

Watchingyou2sleezes · 02/11/2020 21:41

I knew the thieving scumbag that is Homeschool before she started her 'journey'.
Even at the giddy heights of her successful thieving I knew that she didn't have the gumption to make it last. Those idiots never actually owned anything beyond a few items of tat.
How I've laughed when I recently lurked on her again after a few years to see her complete failure. As far as I'm concerned she hasn't fallen far enough.
I don't know what angle she's playing at the moment, no doubt it will be some sort of fraud but I'd bet a pound to a penny that her and Weird Will are still an item behind the scenes. Well I'll be watching those 2 keenly from now on & will go out of my way to make their lives more difficult.
Absolute scum

Watchingyou2sleezes · 02/11/2020 21:53

He's clearly a loon. He's unemployable now, being a sleazy grifter is all that he's got left.

Spongebobette · 02/11/2020 21:56

He’s completely unconvincing and comes across as desperate

YouokHun · 03/11/2020 00:17

I wouldn’t be surprised if the split is not all it seems. Still, the insolvency people never appeared to ask any awkward questions about her line of work over the last year so Homeschool must be feeling things are going her way.

@Watchingyou2sleezes he did have a temporary job delivering vegetables so gainful employment is possible but perhaps not the six figure income he tells us he can help all of us achieve!

Jasmin82 · 03/11/2020 00:40

So, I had a look at the training for the suspect dog food company. Bizarre is not in it. I have now worked out why they read like a MLM: They claim to have done "the research for you" yet the only source they link to is a website you have to register with just to read the article. Googling the name of both the website and the author raised red flags (they aren't MLM affiliated, but one is anti-vax orientated and the other is viewed as a quack).
All this to find out how their ambassador programme works and what they mean about "you get rewarded for referrals."
If it's simply something like Sky or Bulb's "refer a friend and get X" then, fair enough, but I'd have thought they'd be upfront about it.
From looking at how their training pans out, I have to wait for day 5 to possibly find out. Or maybe it's once I've passed the exam at the end of it? Who knows? Certainly not them.

Spongebobette · 03/11/2020 06:03

How weird

YouokHun · 03/11/2020 10:07

@TwinsetAndPearlss

I also think that broke and wig have identified that this is a way to fund their life on the road - which they have anyway.

There is a link with MLM as it is the same mindset- requiring gullible people who will fall for anything and then fleecing them along with an arrogance that everyone else is wrong and they alone have some kind of secret knowledge

Exactly right. A funding source and lots of noise to distract people away from the true agenda. Looking at Coco and W&S’s feeds it’s all such an ego trip. It’s hard to distinguish Coco from any cult leader, the cause he claims to be fighting for is a mere distraction; it’s all about feeding his ego. The clips of the way he responds to people are all so telling. I hate to armchair diagnose but everything about him screams Narcissistic personality. I think Sleaze is Coco-lite, same traits but caught up in the glory and the spotlight his association with Coco gives him. It’s interesting how easily Sleaze can set aside his previous Shitcoin attention seeking to fall down the current rabbit hole; same narcissism, different vehicle. It’s really pathetic (but also fraudulent on a number of fronts and dangerous and damaging). It also makes me feel queasy watching the sheer joy the current situation is bringing these characters; finally, here it is, the 15 minutes of fame they have always dreamed of.
YouokHun · 03/11/2020 10:11

Not sure what happened there^ think I’ve somehow read an older post as the most recent and responded to it. Still, nowt has changed as far as Sleaze and Coco are concerned so it’s all relevant!