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MLM Bot watch 62: MLMs taking advantage of CoronaV and other scams

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GoldenKelpie · 29/07/2020 18:36

Here is link to previous thread...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/3937557-MLM-Bot-Watch-61-enquire-within-upon-everything-pyramid-shaped?watched=1&msgid=98721275#98721275

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CompleteBarstool · 09/08/2020 23:08

Yawn's definition of boho is paint the shit out of it, take a trip to Home Sense/Home Bargains and over-accessorise.

Once again a certain phrase springs to mind (not for the first time where Yawn is concerned):
"You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter"

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 10/08/2020 12:54

I like NotTheGoodGirl, Kiki Chanel, and the UK one (Charlotte Dickerson).

www.youtube.com/channel/UCgjByVWWpKpOik7zImmKaag

However, I'm increasingly disturbed that women are sometimes criticising women for non-adherence to a standard of behaviour that wouldn't attract the same level of criticism for a man. It's wretched, but is an MLM more appalling because it's a woman carrying out the relationship-wrecking, predatory, behaviour?

MLMs are scams but I sometimes think there's a fair amount of misogyny involved - and that's despite my loathing of the practices etc. of MLM huns and bots.

SSDGM · 10/08/2020 15:59

It’s called a banquette, Yawn

SSDGM · 10/08/2020 16:39

Someone needs to tell Broke’s friend that people didn’t have televisions during WW2.

unoeufisunoeuf1 · 10/08/2020 21:12

@EmbarrassingAdmissions That's interesting - I've only seen a couple of videos by the people you mention, but I've definitely caught a whiff of misogyny in the anti-Mlm movement. It was on the Anti mlm Reddit that I first heard the term "Karen", ages ago. Used in a dismissive way to mock women trying to sell Lularoe leggings etc. I don't look at that page anymore partly for that reason.

I criticise the business practices and general bullshit that goes along with MLM, but I hope I'm not holding women to higher standards - indeed it's the rich men who head up these scams that disgust me the most! This thread is great for exposing some of the worst man-huns too.

Twentytwentyhindsight · 10/08/2020 21:48

I agree @unoeufisunoeuf1.

There is a tendency towards misogyny in a lot of the "Karen" stuff that currently abounds online- sure, bad behaviour is being rightly held up for criticism and scorn, but it is telling there is no "Karl" (or whatever the name may have been).

Nonetheless, bad behaviour is exactly that, and deserves to be held to account.

MLMs prey on women, and the model tends to be wealthy male CEOs recruiting a bunch of ruthless 'senior' women who will get a share of the spoils if they can inveigle enough (mainly female) victims into the pyramid, and milk them for as long as possible.

As a result, most of the interactions and behaviours that are visible tend to involve women lying, dissembling, bullying etc.

This is the coal face of exposing these scams for what they are. The recruiters who perpetuate the scam are overwhelmingly women (as are their victims). It is in exposing their lies that an anti-MLM movement can hope to have the strongest effect (while regulatory authorities turn a blind eye).

So, in conclusion, it is inevitably the case that those in the firing line of a movement to prevent women falling victim to this predatory model will also mainly be women who are trying to draw them in. I don't feel that this is misogynistic- the MLM model and the mainly male owners of such schemes are guilty of harming women, as are the mainly women 'top bots' who knowingly draw (often vulnerable) women into a place where they will be exploited, lose money, lose friends, lose families, and sometimes lose their sanity or even their lives.

This thread has always been clear in the above, and at least as hard, if not more so (rightly in my opinion), on the minority of man bots, such as Sleaze, Broke, Saba PT, Messiah, who grace these posts.

MLMs are per se exploitative of women. To expose the women (and men) who are complicit in this exploitation is not misogynistic, it is speaking truth to power.

JasperRising · 11/08/2020 07:29

Whilst we all know that it is the men at the top who are ultimately responsible for the scam when was the last time any of is commented on one of their social media posts? Of course it doesn't help that they are more corporate, but they do provide the contrast with the lower level bots posts.

I just had a look the son of the FL founder who is becoming more prominent and he has the top 5 global FBOs and I was struck that they are all couples, no single parents. Is that just coincidence? Obviously Uber has been high up before when she was on her own. Were people historically encouraged to sign up as couple if they were married? Number 2 is the British couple who we frankly don't comment on enough (even though she has a nickname and we all dislike her African ventures) but as far as I am aware it is all her driving the business. The top couple (Germany) however he seems to be active in recruiting. The Italian and South African couple also both seem to work the business. So at the very least it is presented as a business you can do as a couple with both having sacked the boss but from the list down bots we know that generally one of the couple has to be working a non forever living job.

Botbrigade · 11/08/2020 07:48

I know that FL used to let you sign up as a couple but don’t now and stopped a few years back. Can’t remember the reason why though.

JasperRising · 11/08/2020 08:07

@Botbrigade

I know that FL used to let you sign up as a couple but don’t now and stopped a few years back. Can’t remember the reason why though.
So all these top bot couples must have signed up at least a few years back (and we know 25 years ago in the case of UK couple)? Kinda puts a lie to the claim that you can be successful starting now and don't have to have been in at the beginning (as claimed by many recruiting bots).
leasedaudi · 11/08/2020 10:53

I find it interesting that phd is still taking payments in pounds rather than dollars, yet her limited company has folded. Maybe she's getting paid as a sole trader straight into her bank account?

fromdownwest · 11/08/2020 10:57

Also, when was she ever earning £200k a year?!

She really is a character

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 11/08/2020 11:39

MLMs are per se exploitative of women. To expose the women (and men) who are complicit in this exploitation is not misogynistic, it is speaking truth to power.

In the videos that I have in mind, it's not, "This behaviour is abhorrent" - it's more, "What kind of a woman/mother are you that you would [X]?" Yes, I'm horrified that anyone would advocate building their personal brand through making connections with 'other' infertile women and 'FORMing' them to make the approach (Ask the target questions about Family, Occupation, Recreation, and then Message with your 'opportunity'). Or those who exploit family illness, pregnancy, miscarriage to build/promote their business.

However, there is a strong impression of internalised misogyny at times - that women aren't expected to be predatory to other women like that. I'd rather nobody was used as prey by others. Offhand, now I think of it, despite the number of videos that I've now seen, I can't remember a single man (other than the CEOs) being singled out for comment - and that wasn't at all condemnatory or more than other CEOs might expect. Yes, there's a sex imbalance in the lower echelons and downlines but sheer numbers would mean that I should have seen some male bots criticised by now.

And, there usually are some fat-shaming or appearance-shaming remarks about the MLM bots in the comments of these videos even if the person doing the critique has mostly avoided it. Good as they are, and potentially useful as they are, there is a Mean Girl vibe from some of the presenters who will sometimes describe themselves as Queen Bees in their High Schools or privileged in some way and life has mostly worked out well for them including being very successful in MLMs before walking away.

RogueApostrophe · 11/08/2020 14:05

Yawn has put a profile of two new managers on her FB page and says the following:

That will be her practice run for going for the huge cheques next year
&
Huge annual bonuses

How can Yawn's bots be so brainwashed to not call her out on the lack of her own annual bonus cheque for many, many years?

Shhhhh223 · 11/08/2020 19:45

I can’t keep up!! ..place marking

queenstownlovin · 11/08/2020 21:36

Hi all, I'm new here. You have too many threads for me to start at the beginning but I've been skimming for a few days now. Just seen this on insta. She seemed so normal, I'm shocked she's been pulled into doing this, her and her partner both have really good jobs so I really don't get it.

I've seen a couple of posts over the last few days of her trying to flog perfume 'dupes' and her talking about her 'putting an order in on x day so to let her know what you want before then!!' I think there was mention in one of the posts of a German factory which is the same factory where Chanel and other big brands are made. So stupid! God knows what's actually in those bottles Hmm

Obviously you never really know peoples situations it just seems like an odd move for her.

MLM Bot watch 62: MLMs taking advantage of CoronaV and other scams
BSintolerant · 11/08/2020 22:45

Ah, yes: it’s that “expensive fly spray” MLM.

Welcome to the threads @queenstownlovin.

Jasmin82 · 12/08/2020 07:56

Took a break from the threads for a while. Recently got into a Youtube account called Illuminaughtii who does a feature called "MLM Mondays" looking at different MLMs each week (or every other week if there's a lot to get through).
Latest one is on Arbonne:

Cacacoisfarraige · 12/08/2020 08:22

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Twentytwentyhindsight · 12/08/2020 17:24

Wondering why Broke has been uncharacteristically mute for 3 days- coincidentally since he deleted the derogatory post about the mother of his children, including in the comments that she had reported him to the police for something "he didn't do".

Has he had his collar felt?

Waiting for the Law of Reaction to manifest...

Spongebobette · 12/08/2020 17:42

Frenchic paint seems very good and all that but some of those fans will paint anything with it if it keeps still long enough

Cacacoisfarraige · 12/08/2020 19:47

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Lockdownseperation · 12/08/2020 19:54

Hi, I hope you don’t mind me hopping onto this thread for advice. I have a friend who has done Avon for a long time but with no pressure now she is pushing it and she has ‘set up her own business’ selling fake perfume that not fake. It’s all classic exciting news messages and then 6 hours later and message saying she is having a surprise sale soon. The usual stuff. In our group of friends it’s noticeable that I’m not joining in. How do I quietly not buy this shit?

Spongebobette · 12/08/2020 20:27

Urghhh so annoying isn’t it

All you can do is not buy, not even one tiny pity purchase because that would give her false hope

BSintolerant · 12/08/2020 21:02

Frenchic paint seems very good and all that but some of those fans will paint anything with it if it keeps still long enough

Grin What would happen if you mixed it with aloe gel? Or painted aloe gel, or even the cartons? Mmm ... I hope her dogs keep moving.

Welcome to threads where lies about MLMs come to die @Lockdownseperation. If I were in your situation I’d be tempted to throw a spanner in the expensive fly spray works by telling your friend you‘ve already had a sniff of FM world’s Chanel dupe and it smelt of expensive fly spray with a base note of ordure, a middle of BO and steaming middens and top notes of ferret water. The sillage is more like silage. How brave are you feeling? Grin

Twentytwentyhindsight · 12/08/2020 22:13

@BSintolerant - The sillage is more like silage.

Grin Brilliant!