MLM Botwatch 56 - New Year, New Thread

[Jasmin82]

Bot-watching into 2020. Hoping it's a good year for all (and the end of MLMs - Hey, a girl can dream!)

Welcome @girlicorne!

Picture the scene...

I order the family a Chinese takeaway for New Years.
I'm told no delivery driver that night so I'll have to pick it up, which isn't a problem.
When I get there they're running a little late on orders so I sort of stand awkwardly by the counter as the seats are all taken.
My eyes start scanning the room and land on the huge board of business cards.

Then the blood drains from my face as I think back.

I remember walking in that very Chinese 4 years ago, head high, manicured nails and a Forever Living bag for life. I order a Chinese and then slap my business card on the board then immediately made chit chat with three women also waiting for food telling them they could have the world.

Fast forward and there I am staring at that very same business card still on that board and so embarrassed by it I've decided to pop in at a less busy time to tear it off the board and burn it.

What a deluded idiot I was.

There were at least 10 other forever cards on the board, poonique, the candle one... all looking aged and I'm left wondering if they're still in the 'biz' just moving from one to the next waiting for the big break.

Someone needs to remind Yawn that if you’re going to lie you need to be clever and you need a good memory.

Do you remember when she said she was being bullied online by nasty people who were calling her Browbot, and it shouldn’t be allowed because she has to draw her eyebrows in because she lost her others in a nasty car crash - they didn’t grow back because of scarring?

Someone suggested here that the car crash had nothing to do with her sparse natural brows - overplucking was likely the cause.

Take a look at her recent post. Yawn seems to have forgotten about the car crash making her eyebrows disappear.

Yawn is a serial liar SHOCKA!!

@hunzuncovered you should be proud of yourself for breaking free

Maybe someone who is currently deep into Forever Living will read your post. It might be just what they need to see to help them stop them ploughing money in

How much money did you lose @hunzuncovered?

I have forgotten Broke's surname, and since he has deactivated his old account and set up a new one, it doesn't come up automatically on FB search anymore for me....... can someone give me a clue as to his surname to help me remember?

Thanks!!

Think what u wear on hands in the winter and put an r on the end

I was with forever 14 months and had a maxed out £5000 credit card.

I felt pressure all the time listening to the top bots saying they hit 4CCs consistently from day 1 and that's how you made it.

Plus petrol travelling to mini trainings

3 times a week 40 mile round trips dropping off 'pamper hampers' to complete strangers I found on the internet... not even thinking I could be in danger and didn't sell so much as a toothpaste! No wonder my OH threatened to leave me over MLM. My uplines answer was to let him go! Didn't matter a family would break up as long as my 4CCs and debt was adding to her bank balance.

I can't tell you how lucky I am that he stayed and let me put things right.

Thanks! Got him :-)

Uber has just made level 3 cheque at the last minute due to ex John Lewis bot getting a c9 in with minutes to spare.

Absolutely no funnelling of cc's through John Lewis account by uber. None at all. Just a very happy coincidence that it all came through at the last minute

Yawn has got a completely empty diary for next week.

Business is going well I see.

Sorry I took so long to come back!
I did suspect that she wasnt totally truthful about her AMAZING lifestyle as I know a few lies shes told such as she left a full time career for LF. She only worked one day a week actually.
Im just shocked how far she will go to convince everyone how shes living the dream!

She went through my facebook friends once and messaged my friends with offers to "join her" 🙈

@hunzuncovered bloody hell! What made you see the light? Was there a particular tipping point? Well done for getting out.

Showing off an empty diary is really not a good look!

We live in hope!

May 2020 be the end of MLMs!

She's qualified for the trip but no cheque. As it stands her qualification is likely to be economy return flights and a couple of nights accommodation. When she qualified she was bragging about taking the whole family - I am betting that doesn't get mentioned again.

The reason I got involved in MLM was through a person latching onto my vulnerable stage. My dad passed away.

I saw the light when I ended up in a huge argument at home and my OH had to literally shake it into me that I wasn't dealing with my dads death... I was three years deep in MLM and he'd had enough. I was desperately trying to prove I could be successful to a person who was dead and that's because EVERY upline said those words to me "He's going to be so proud of you."

My OH could see I was being manipulated and I couldn't, he was angry because I've always been on the ball, quite a good judge of anything, intelligent and walked away from a really good job.

I snapped out of it, I could see everything for what it was.

So, now I'm dealing with 'Hun recovery', guilt, apologising to everyone and all these years on I'm now going through the grieving process. Some days it's a bit too much for me, my OH was pushed aside for overpriced BS for years. My kids were getting half arsed parenting because I was too busy for zooms, messaging etc. I dropped my friends because they wouldn't entertain a conversation about my 'business'. I wasn't there properly for my step mum who lost her husband on the day he was supposed to retire. It crumbles me some days.

I'm very lucky my job took me back and even my manager said to me she knew I was being taken advantage of but the reason behind it was such a sensitive subject people didn't know how to approach me.

I watch these bots now and realise that I didn't have what it took and what I mean by that isn't the bullshit 'hustle' etc. To make it in mlm and stay up top you have to be driven by greed, ego, pathological lying and there are definitely traits of narcissism.

Bots who say that people like me are angry that I failed I have to laugh.

It's acceptable to fail when the odds were never in your favour. What I really failed at is the things that matter and I'm putting all that right. I can bet they aren't doing what I did in my time. The 120 mile drives each week dropping off baskets, standing in the street with cards and leaflets, taking the bus to town and back twice a day just to prospect at the bus stop! They'll just be sat on Facebook and think they've got more chance than I did.

Oh hunz that's a very moving post. Well done for getting out

Thank you so much for sharing that. How horrendous for you.
These bloody MLMs will exploit anyone. I really hate that thing they do, telling you to find your ‘why’. It’s just so they can press that button if you waver.
No actual job does that.

@hunzuncovered Thank you for sharing your story. You may well have helped someone who may be lurking here, balls deep in MLM and having doubts, to see it all for what it is.

They’re a manipulative, low bunch of fuckers aren’t they? It’s like that awful bot said in the documentary about enticing people to join - find their weak spot.

I've had personal dealings and interaction with a lot of the bots you talk about.

They believe their own hype. They've been given celebrity status within the MLM world but outside of that they're nobodies.

I've just passed an exam which is going to look much more epic on my CV than 'Flappy Pigeon in pyramid scheme' yet they would still put me down for getting a JOB.

But hey guess what...

I learned how to be manipulative as well and hit the weak spots.

I'm not innocent, I built teams. I repeated brainwashy bullshit.

Because that's what I was taught... and at the time I didn't even realise what I was doing apart from 'monkey see monkey do' lanza bot voice When I sit back and think about the things I said and did to get people in I am so ashamed of myself and I'm watching people I introduced to MLM still drowning in it. People that have been ORDERED to block me.

I don't hold it against any of them, WHEN they leave I hope they unblock me and I'll be there for them during their recovery period.

Unfortunately I don't think the documentary's will hit home with as many people as they need because they don't go deep enough to get high enough to find out the real deal at the top. How the top are told where to focus to continue being top and when to tell the bottom what to do so they can pick up the scraps etc.