MLM Bot Watch 48 - Don't miss the BBC Documentary investigating the truth about Multilevel Marketing / Network Marketing!

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Don't miss the BBC Documentary which is to be broadcast on BBC 3 & BBC iPlayer on the 27th April and BBC 1 on the 8th May!

*if she fails

Cults also encourage their followers to share deeply persona information so they can use it against them. It's easy to manipulate someone once you find their weak spots. This is what that ghastly Bot in the documentary encouraged people to do to a potential victim - find their weak spots.

I also fear that cults use personal information against anyone who tries to leave, which could make it harder to leave.

Have any of our former MLMers on this thread experienced this when you've tried to leave?

Anyone else find wannabe supervisor bot’s live really underwhelming?
Almost as though she didn’t really achieve anything, just spent her own money and lined her uplines’ pockets

I saw that Nurse bot says she watched a video of a fellow bot who's done incredibly well out of FL, this has spurred her on apparently, this mystery fellow bot has a 5 year old son...hmm, I wonder who that is! She doesn't have a hope in hell of making the kind of money that Castle did back in the boom years.

www.truthinadvertising.org/lularoe-distributors-face-bankruptcy-as-founder-touts-financial-freedom/

That article is horrendus, It makes you wonder how in God's name are mlm's legal? If any other company made so many people bankrupt they'd be shut down and the Directors would doing time for fraud.. why ARE mlm's bullet proof?

... LuLaRoe distributors are more likely to end up bankrupt than to reach the highest tier in the company’s distributor ranks. In [one bankrupt's] case, she never made more than a couple hundred dollars with LuLaRoe, despite sometimes working 30 hours a week on top of a full-time high school teaching job.

www.truthinadvertising.org/lularoe-bankruptcy-infographic/

The are over 5000 Lularoe items for sale on eBay currently
3500 Forever living items
2200 Younique items
210,000 Avon items!

Got to empty the garage somehow, eh?

Nurse bot doing daily dreadfully deadly dull lives in an effort to get some engagement on her page. Someone’s advised her (challenged her) to do this and presumably to ask for advice so people reply/ comment

Is she or isn’t she supervisor bot seems to have taken the “I made it” live down? I didn’t have time to watch it last night but I watched the “get your orders in” from earlier in the evening.

These lives used to make me laugh but now I just feel depressed for them, where is the attraction marketing in doing these desperate lives? The only person to engage with nursebot so far is another bot.

I notice another trick of the bots is to reply to anyone who comments therefore doubling the numbers.
Yawn there is barely room to move around there. Sardines NOT

I checked up on sacked not and she's selling waist trainers and weight loss coffee. Seems to have sucked her daughter into her down line too.

Yes she went on MLM lies exposed a while back trying to defend her business. Got a tiny bit flamed. Need some aloe gel hun?

You know what really pissed me off about that documentary.

When a certain MLM evangelist who makes money by "training" MLM reps said on stage at that Younique event.

"Network marketing is the BEST thing you can do for your children"

To all those aspiring network marketers who have left their children at home to go to that event and who are clearly trying to do what's best for their kids.

Screw forging a valuable career, screw getting a corporate job which pays an actual wage. Nope, just going on social media and selling make up. That's the BEST thing that you can do for your kids. He's just a shill for the MLM industry and he is a disgrace to humanity.

Sick *k seriously.

He makes money from the failure of reps. Without them failing they would not need his services. He literally feeds on their failure.

He knows that MLM is a lost cause for the reps that he "trains".

It's so easy for him to get on stage and jump about and get them all hyped up about success. He gets a flat rate for being an MLM evangelist. The more that reps fail, the more he's needed by these MLM companies to keep their fires burning.

Yet if he was actually to try and make it as a network marketer he would FAIL. That's why he's doing mentoring and not being a grunt on the front line.

It pisses me off so so much. He's a smarmy piece of work.

@Teddy1970 I too want to know this.

But I just can't help but keep thinking how anyone can be so silly to get sucked into this utter circus

I find the Mormon link very interesting, totally trained on how to "recruit"

These vultures can always be found circling MLMs, preying on struggling bots (i.e. the vast majority).

Not only do they feed on people's failure, but they serve to keep them flogging a dead horse for that much longer. They and the MLMs are symbiotic parasites that need each other to suck the last drop from the victims.

I am pretty sure there are often backhanders involved when an upline 'refers' one of their bots to these 'mindset gurus'.

It starts with books and DVDs at eye watering prices (that must be bought, not borrowed) that will help you "take your biznis to the next level". When that doesn't work, they get referred for 'exclusive 1 to 1 training' to sort out their 'underlying issues' (because it has to be their fault that they are not succeeding, not the business model- look at the top bots with their cheques!).

When we were packing my OH's stuff as she was moving out, there were over 50 self-help/mindset training books, with a combined cover price of over £700. There were also vast quantities of DVDs, no idea how much they cost.

She had also gone on a number of online one-to-one courses with various gurus. She was most secretive about those, but I know one of them was twelve half-hour sessions at over £50 a pop.

Basically, what little money she ever earned from the 'biznis' was ploughed back into the pockets of those people or FLP. She was constantly being praised by her upline for 'investing in herself', and took great pride in this, conveniently forgetting that she was losing money.

@Twentytwentyhindsight - Tragic.

The whole self development movement has latched onto MLM and MLM latches on to the self development movement.

These reps become so deflated that they have nothing left. So they go to these mentors and gurus for some inspiration and they pay money to get fired up and it provides them with a short term buzz that they use to throw themselves back into their 'business' with a newly ignited fire in their bellies.

Then after a short time they fizzle out again and they need a top up.

I'll never forget how a certain 'priveledged' mentor was hired by Valentus to keep their reps from quitting. I saw the cycle with my own eyes. Reps would get sucked in, pay their money, then it would start going downhill. Then they would get re-directed to her for some self-development. She would make money from the reps who were already losing so much. She would sign up them for her courses to bring them out of the hole they'd put themselves in.

It works out for everyone except the reps themselves.

The whole mentorship movement is a sick sub-industry within the MLM industry and it F-ing sucks arse.

How is all this legal?!! The mind boggles.
Any other industry that operated like this would be regulated out of existence!

I think one of the problems is that the vast majority of victims of these scams (for that is what they are) do not even realise it.

Anyone currently involved in an MLM believed in the 'business model', or they would not be doing it.

Those that drop out (most of them, anyway) feel that it is they who have failed at the business, rather than seeing it as a scam where the odds were stacked against them.

For something to be done, there would have to be an organised clamour from bots that have been rinsed against to whole principle of MLMs. Most will prefer to lick their wounds in private, others will see the dodgy stuff as a feature of their particular company/upline/leaders (which is why so many rush headlong into the next big thing).

The self development / mindset training side of MLMs is well known as the shadow pyramid.

Merchants of Deception (written by an Anway Bot who got out) talks about how the top Ambots made most of their money via a training tools scam - something which the author discovered too late into the game. This book talks a lot about Mormonism and how even more difficult it was for the author to get out of Amway because of this. He ended up in an emtional and financial mess by the time he got out with death threats and litigation looming.

There's a PDF version of Merchants of Deception available online if you Google it.

*believes, not believed.

Examine.com on Facebook have an interesting report on Herbalife this week. Sad story of a 24 year old who died taking the products

Yawn uses a really manipulative tactic to keep her tribe from leaving her downline.

She discusses a holiday with them to the Bahamas and probably discusses specifics of the holiday with them in order to make them emotionally invested.

She gets them imaging that they're already there. They just need to work hard for 12 months. Fact is they haven't qualified for a free holiday and in reality they are extremely unlikely to do so, especially in this saturated market. There will be certain sales targets they need to acheive in order for them to win the trip which Yawn knows they probably won't do but providing they keep at it, they'll keep lining her pockets.

Whether they make the trip is really irrelevant. All that matters is that she reduces distributor fallout for 12 months and keeps a group of women from working for her for the next year.

It's extremely unethical for her to even talk about the possibility of this trip when the chances are so low. One rule of sales is never celebrate an order you haven't got yet. She does it the other way around. They all celebrate a trip they haven't won yet and it's all to get them hooked and keep them in her downline. It sucks.

Also for added vileness - making references to their "crippling debt" and a cheeky little put down of conventional employment in the process.

Now she has them hooked for this trip and they'll be much more likely to stay for the long haul.

Anyone else find this method of retaining reps particularly disgusting? Also does anyone else know what is required to qualify for this trip.

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment towards these mentors and think some of them are even more vile and predatory.

I would not be surprised in the slightest to discover that some elite bots in various MLM's are in on it with these mentors to fuck with peoples heads once they have exhausted their warm market and are on the verge of quitting, and then they inevitably end up staying, job done, hun gets to keep her downline and mentor gets money from the coaching sessions.

Yep. And SOOOO many of these mentors are former huns who didn't make it.

Dozens are like this, they failed at being a rep but they still like doing their lives and being ego stroked so they quietly transition into mentorship and teach reps how to be successful - even though they failed at doing the same thing.

The height of irony and I couldn't sleep at night doing that.