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MLM Bot Watch 47

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BSintolerant · 20/03/2019 21:29

The thread where network marketing / multilevel marketing goes local - not global.

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TheHorseOnSeventhAvenue · 04/04/2019 14:41

Looking at the accounts for Forever, in 2017 retail sales were roughly £40m.

50% paid out in commission would be £20m - sounds like a healthy business BUT

We have the 20 top bots who are (allegedly) earning £100K plus, leaving £18m in the pot for the other Business Owners.

So if 6000 in the UK they would be making on average £3K each. Based on a 12 hour working week that would be £4.81 an hour. (Both bots I know are working their biz full-time).

Then the pesky little details like lack of pension, holiday pay or employment rights. Out of this £4.81 per hour you would need to deduct expenses, travel, training and events, stupid green tablecloths, website, hosting events and paying for a stall at the local fete.

I believe on top of this there are personal use case credits - do they have to spend about £100 a month on products to keep active?

Doesn’t sound too lucrative!

(Unfortunately I do not know how many Biz Owners there are but even working on the premise the top 20 are recruiting 20 each per year and encouraging them to recruit 10 each, that’s 4000 a year.)

Whiterangey · 04/04/2019 14:42

If Yawn has to sell her house is possible she will have to get rid of the dogs, especially if she has to rent.

This worries me, especially as some of them are very old and would be hard to rehome. It is foolish to get that many dogs when your income is not consistent.

I d do wonder whether or not they truly believe things will get better again.

TheHorseOnSeventhAvenue · 04/04/2019 14:43

Also every time I read Stockholm on this thread - the word syndrome is attached!

Whiterangey · 04/04/2019 15:03

For all you Lularoe fans, the new group on Facebook is Defectors' Support.

That's where you will find the latest goings on in the world of sack dresses and dodgy leggings.

UnapologeticallyUnhinged · 04/04/2019 15:22

So tempted to go to open day on Saturday! But scared they'll make me drink the aloe crap Kool Aid.

BangingOn · 04/04/2019 15:55

@Whiterangey is that a closed group? The one I’ve found ain’t overtly Lularoe, but that could be intentional.

Whiterangey · 04/04/2019 16:24

It's a closed group with 12k members

BangingOn · 04/04/2019 17:22

That’s the one, thanks White

Mielabel · 04/04/2019 17:38

I actually do believe Yawn believes wholeheartedly in the business and is convinced it will turn around soon.

She keeps trying to get recruits any way she can. She keeps plugging FLP on social media. Her bestie came to talk to her the other day and left a comment saying something like 'you can get through it.'

I personally see her a victim of MLM too as I believe she has fallen for the idea it's a legitimate business and didn't see the crash coming.

If she had, she wouldn't be in this predicament. She would have jumped ship to a new MLM rather than flogging a dead horse until her house is literally taken from under her feet.

I feel sorry for her and hope to read that she's landed a good job soon and quits MLM.

Whiterangey · 04/04/2019 17:55

Not a victim, she has seen hundreds of people she has recruited fail to make sales and recruit. She had talked them in to spending money when they can't afford it.

She lies or stretches the truth all of the time. She hasn't been honest about not getting a cheque these past two years for a start. She is in financial difficulties and hasn't admitted it. Get income had dropped substantially but she hasn't spoken about it. She keeps saying that business is going from strength to strength when she knows it had gotten really bad.

She is a liar, the only thing she is interested in is lining her own pockets, she knows exactly what will happen to all the people she receives, that they will all lose their money.

Zero sympathy from me.

Norma27 · 04/04/2019 18:09

Zero sympathy for yawn from me too. I agree with everything whiterangey said.

acatcalledjohn · 04/04/2019 18:14

Yawn has to make it look like she believes wholeheartedly in the business and that it will turn around.

Whiterangey is spot on. She is a liar.

There is no way on this earth that after this many years in an MLM she doesn't know the truth. She does. She's just a greedy cow who has worked hard at perfecting the art of faking.

TheHorseOnSeventhAvenue · 04/04/2019 18:22

Have to agree with White - there’s no way people at the top don’t know how many people will lose money. They know they are recruiting people who have no chance of succeeding and will lose money.

Can she put her hand on her heart and show a dozen people who are really making money. Are there exaggerated claims and dishonesty? If people are willing to work in an unethical way to keep themselves afloat and be dishonest to fund a lifestyle (or even just pay the bills) they are not deserving of sympathy.

Mielabel · 04/04/2019 18:35

I completely forgot that she lies heavily about her own financial situation which is the very thing she uses to sell the business to others- yes, perhaps I was short sighted on this one.

I just thought if I was the kind of person who would knowingly operate an unethical business model that was going down the pan, I'd probably have jumped ship earlier, and so am confused why she hasn't. The director's loan was insane, keeping up the house and cars alone I personally would have been worried about two years ago when the FLP decline began. I don't know why she's still clinging on if she's aware what it is, as the boom's long gone and won't be back.

thetemptationofchocolate · 04/04/2019 18:44

In The Merchants of Deception the author totally believed he would make his fortune out of MLM, until he reached dizzy heights within his MLM and still was losing money. Yawn is a top bot so she must know it's all a sham.

Twentytwentyhindsight · 04/04/2019 19:10

@Mielabel - she boxed herself into a corner thinking she could just carry on deceiving people into funding her lifestyle.

Maybe she has deluded herself that the good times will return, but even those were only good times for her. She will have known then that the endless line of new recruits she paraded on FB were not making anything like the money she claimed they would.

Now her edifice of deception is collapsing around her and her own arrogance has trapped her in it. My sympathy is to all those who lost out lining her pockets.

Whiterangey · 04/04/2019 19:17

Mielabel, the is nothing wrong in trying to see the good in someone.

She acts like everyone's best friend initially, and then dumps them as soon as they have joined and it's obvious they can't afford to keep buying.

I've been following the nurse who she got to join, it's hard reading her posts. It's obvious she trusts Yawn and is fully botted and truly believes she will get somewhere. Currently going for a promotion, which she is unlikely to get unless she pays for it herself by buying stuff. It's heartbreaking.

UnapologeticallyUnhinged · 04/04/2019 19:49

Agreed with @White. Whilst it's lovely to think the best of someone she absolutely knows FL is on the bones of it's backside (evident in the overcompensating on the live from Head Office 'they ARE' doing really well!' Etc)

And now she is desperately actively recruiting from the deaf community knowing it's flogging a dead horse at this point...utterly despicable behaviour. I feel sorry for the kids and myriad of pets but NOT her or her complicit husband.

TheHorseOnSeventhAvenue · 04/04/2019 20:31

Also two of the most prolific bots out there continue to promote it as ‘Health and Wellness’ despite being much heavier than when they became partners in the biz.

I will try and word this diplomatically; I do appreciate it’s a hugely sensitive subject, but being a few pounds overweight is something most of us struggle with. Saying a C9 or whatever will change or reset your habits - it ain’t worked for you so ???

Whiterangey · 04/04/2019 21:05

Yup, Yawn is at the heaviest she has ever been and desperately tries to hide it in her photos. Photos taken by others reveal how big she is though.

Weightloss is simple maths, if you burn more calories than you consume you will put on weight. You can eat McDonalds if it adds up to less than you burn and you will lose weight. If you drink ten 300 calorie weightloss shakes a day you will gain rapidly. Nothing you take or do will change that maths.

The reasons we eat too little or too much are numerous and it's hard to gain or to lose weight, but the maths is still the same.

It is funny how Yawn and others are saying how well their products work while getting bigger.

Twentytwentyhindsight · 04/04/2019 22:06

Apart from being pure mathematical gobbledygook and fantasy, yawn's latest post appears to equate 10k to six figures.

Maybe this confusion explains the income claims...

Awholeheapofnothing · 04/04/2019 22:33

The fact that lives have been ruined, relationships, strong marriages lost because of brain washing - with many complicit is such a shame.

MLM is such a massive sham - that leads unsighted down a rabbit hole!

Whiterangey · 04/04/2019 23:31

How is this shit still legal?

GrimDamnFanjo · 04/04/2019 23:34

@Twentytwentyhindsight thanks for the direction, my bot is there as one of the 1.5 qualifiers...

gotmychocolateimgood · 05/04/2019 09:39

Castle is reading this!