MLM Bot Watch 42

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This is the 42nd thread in a long series about the dangers of network marketing/ MLMs such as Forever Living, Ariix, NuSkin, Arbonne, Younique, TS Life, and MANY MANY more!
Posts here will give examples of the lies told by 'top bots' who portray luxury lifestyles in order to lure in new victims and of the other techniques and brainwashing used by MLMs
Over 90% of people who join an MLM end up LOSING money. Always bear that in mind when considering paying money to join!

I wasn’t asking you as such, @sacked, it’s just the thought I have when I see yet another shady advert on a local selling site that is targeting women with promises of “sacking their boss” etc. When really these ads are leading them very often into losing cash and depriving the kids of their mothers.

Those of us who did and do work get holiday days to use for sports days and there are provisions in law to allow time off when very young children are ill. Employers are seemingly demonised by top bots but as you found out, there’s no process or protection against unfair dismissal with MLM. For me there is no reason why anyone could think MLM has any advantages apart from the 0.3% chance that you could make a living wage from it. (As long as you ignore the fact that the people you recruit won’t.)

... (As long as you ignore the fact that the people you recruit won’t.)...

I guess we have to agree to disagree on that because I have many women who made a good living and Good regular income from both companies I was high up in, a leader can’t earn if their team aren’t earning unless they are making new customers or sales and at that point most aren’t leading by example they are just dictating a regurgitating Eric worre books and the like at their disheartened downline in management mode....
however in genuine success stories you help your downline and you all succeed together I can give you names of many women from my personal teams

How many did you say were in your down line sacked? Did you say earlier that it was several thousand? And how many women with success stories do you think there were? Would it be several thousand or might it be 20 or 30?

The reason I ask is that yes there might be loads of people who did well, I'm not disputing that, but they probably had a tonne of people under them not doing well. For them to do well the money has to come from somewhere. I'm not convinced there is a fantastic market for Ariix products to outside customers. I'm sure there are some customers, but I expect the majority of the sales are to people inside the scheme rather than to outside customers.

I'm certainly not here to be difficult but one of the things that always interests me is real numbers and facts.
Earlier sacked said they get £10 on every sale but then said 35% and most products are below £25 - so less than £10 (who pays for posting and packaging).
I'm also interested to know what you get for your £500 Business Booster Salon Pack. Sounds like an MLM!

You mentioned yesterday that you had 2000 in your downline, for all of those 2000 to be as successful as you, they would each need 2000 in your downline.

That is 4 million people.

This is why MLM's don't work, because someone always has to be at the bottom. Those at the bottom, which is most of them, earn nothing or lose money and leave, they then need to be replaced which is why MLM's are a constant recruitment drive and they run out of people to recruit and end up collapsing.

There is a phrase they all use, which I can't remember because i'm really sick and my brain is mush, something income, which they say once you have reached a good level you will get income forever. Which is a load of rubbish because without constant recruitment you lose everything.

Hoping someone can help me out with the something income, where you can allegedly retire and the money will still come in.

I had 7000 reps over 5yrs of course only a small percentage made life changing incomes maybe 30% made regular incomes that’s honest and yes 70% made sporadic or no income but that’s for various reasons and they are both industry and personal situation related as I said before it’s not just mlm ventures that fail a lot it’s a thought badly promoted market.
That £500 is a test product on an OLD website our new site is ending .com you won’t see anything like that there, in terms of commission/earning on a £25 trainer (our best selling most sold product) they earn £10 which is actually around 40% on all other products it’s 35% you can check all this and prove it I have never sold a £500 salon pack it doesn’t exist and you’ll see that on the new site.

Residual income. It’s the buzz word du jour Derby Bot keeps on about how it’s helping her take time out of her business when we all know Valentus is on its backside in the Uk a year on from Trading Standards getting their hands on it.
A few weeks ago she hinted at a £6-7k a month income when questioned and showed the number in her downline. However, after consulting with an ex- Valentus Bot who was pretty high up she said that “leg” counted for fuck all so those numbers proved nothing. You could also see where she was actually not a Diamond, not even a mere Ruby, she is Unranked. She’s even stopped her own autoship. I mean.. When do you even see her mention the damn coffee?

In other words, she’s a complete filthy liar.

I had teams in 14 countries over 5yrs all lead in different ways by different leaders with varying results...
You mean residual income were you continue to earn on your teams earnings in years to come that does happen but your talking the top 0.5% of the company and that’s from teams of 5000 plus in most cases

From a purely business point of view, why don't you just sell all of the trainers yourself instead of letting others sell them and giving them some of your profits?

By them also selling, it is reducing the amount of trainers you can sell as some buyers will buy from them. You will make the most amount of money if you sell them yourself to the public.

You mention wanting to help other women, which is a lovely idea, but it will end up hurting your finances, that is money that could be ending up in your pocket.

As I understand this person is a huge recruiter residual comes from matching or generation bonuses they pay you a percentage of the leaders you enrol or develops income (not sales) this element could easily equate to that much (I didn’t see the post) but I do know that unlocking that at that point in her business is likely and with a large organisation even if each teams numbers are low it still continues to duplicate and accumulates quite quickly with very little selling or recruiting needed by the person at the top to continue to earn its not commission as such and not usually based on personal volume or sales criteria more on past performance and duplication

Not at all whiterangey even with a huge network like mine my sales would start to
Run thin after a few months,... I’d invest in advertising and promotion I’d have to
Spend lots of time increasing my network constantly or paying for great SEO for my website and that’s time and money.....not to mention customer care and guidance is paramount to getting great results I only have so many hours in a week. in relation the 200 girls who sell them reach a much wider more targeted and trusted network they personally help clients to get results and give great customer care and experience which I can train them in virtually it replicates and promotes my business for far less money than it would cost me in advertising, promotion, time and customer care..... I prefer to give my money/profit to the girls willing to build the brand with me it’s really that simple

As it is I still sell direct to my network too I use a private vip group and of course the extra profit from personal Sales is great I launched in January purely selling them Myself in March I started the affiliate programme because so many asked if they could sell them too it wasn’t planned
I was desperate to keep A roof over our heads and it saved me tbh

I just really struggle with a business model in which is targeted at women, often with the promise that they can earn whatever they want, have as much time as they want, have as much sick leave as they want etc and yet 70% see nothing. Promises of residual income and yet only a tiny few will achieve that.

Telling people struggling because of low pay, illness, expensive childcare, poor education and dysfunctional childhoods that they are victims in life and need to just change their mindset and stop making excuses and everything will be OK.

If I had done any of the above I would struggle to look at myself in the mirror. I certainly would not see myself as some kind of feminist warrior.

I have seen vulnerable women bled dry by their uplines.

@Whiterangey thank you for the welcome back, I've posted under another pseudonym too I think, just didn't explain at the time but I'm always lurking. I've been here for about a year now and I'd say it's taken about that long for me to fully come back to regular thinking.

My previous post comes across as being quite frank and cold/calculated but even that element of me was something I tried to convince myself to be however ultimately I could never manipulate people to spend more on products etc which I think is why I wasn't successful - the real secret in MLM is to get your team feeling that they need to keep buying and I didn't realise it back then, they bamboozle you with training and techniques, it's like a 'slight of hand trick' - whilst you are looking one way at the right hand, the real successful ones are going another way to the left hand whilse still tellong you to focus on the right hand.

I hope that makes sense! It's as clear as day to me now. I used to spend hours looking for the secret to success, watched many videos and read many books. The real secret is:

• sell training
• sell a by product i.e. subscription website/planner/book
• set team challenges

And the piece de resistance

• convince your team that a randome product that noone would order was the key piece missing from their samples so they all bought it for their kit.

It's really about being influential and even still, not everyone can do that. You need a certain charisma.

Hi sacked

So you sold to your 'network' at profit?

Sorry. Sacked.

I sold my waist trainers to my network at profit yes? Should I not?

Where could I eat around Leicester Square? Cue loads of people saying The Ivy. Love this on fb where bots ask for recommendations when really they just want to boast about something. I doubt many bots could actually afford The Ivy. Uber is brilliant at asking for recommendations just to get interaction on Facebook and show what she could afford (for now anyway).
Personally I’d rather go to Bella Italia or TGIs on Leicester Square.

Just read on Elle Beau' s Facebook that Thrive bots are trying to cash in on the murder of that Mother and two children.

That's definitely a new low.

Think I might post on my FB

‘Lamborghini or Ferrari, which is best for a child seat?’

‘Can’t decide between Seychelles and Bali, help me choose!’

‘Best watch over 10k? Looking for birthday pressie for my other half’

Then everyone will want to join my team!!!

Can anyone recommend a good chef for my yacht?

Norma27 I’ve noticed this too,the asking of random question, which is just to get comments , or the question doesn't look like its MLM related,but really is, like a referral to a friend whos invloved in another mlm. Some questions they ask can be bloody answered by a google search!!!!

@sackedbyariix I’ve watched some of the ladies in your sirens group absolutely blossom in confidence as a result of taking part. These are people without strong personal networks and it has given them a space to really gain confidence. It’s very different to what I’ve seen from MLM businesses. It will be interesting to see how it grows. I hope it can be the model you hope for.