MLM Bot Watch 42

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This is the 42nd thread in a long series about the dangers of network marketing/ MLMs such as Forever Living, Ariix, NuSkin, Arbonne, Younique, TS Life, and MANY MANY more!
Posts here will give examples of the lies told by 'top bots' who portray luxury lifestyles in order to lure in new victims and of the other techniques and brainwashing used by MLMs
Over 90% of people who join an MLM end up LOSING money. Always bear that in mind when considering paying money to join!

What do you mean?

Sorry if I am not clear.

Ever person that sells a product in an MLM is making a profit for the person directly above them in the pyramid. Therefore the product has to be expensive so that everyone gets a cut.

So the products are overpriced because they have to be.

Products in an MLM have to be cheaply made.

Using Mary Kay as an example here, the basic premise is you buy the products from Mary Kay and when you sell them you sell them for twice as much as bought them for.

Mary Kay has already made a profit off those products by selling them to the bots in the first place, so you can imagine how cheap they are to make, and sub-par.

That is the same for all MLM's, very cheap products, usually rubbish, marked up to extortionate prices so that everyone can theoretically make a profit.

For you to come up with an MLM and for everyone to make a profit, the products have to be marked up. You need to make a profit, obviously you won't work for free, and everyone else needs to make a profit. So the products have to be bought in by you very very cheaply.

I'm not saying that is true with what you are selling now because I haven't actually got a clue.

It is true with all MLM's though. By selling the product to the bots is how the MLM makes it money. It gets bots to join by telling them that once they have bought the product from them they can sell it for so much more or get a percentage of that sale back in the form of a bonus.

Any MLM who tried to operate with either a tiny markup or none, wouldn't work at all.

No they aren’t overpriced (not in my case) but yes I’m many when you get big corporate companies I guess?
Maybe because I’m not paying on hundreds of levels only 5? I guess the deeper you pay the more Margin you need

In my experience of 7000 reps in 5 years very few recruit maybe 10% and most mlm don’t pay unless you do recruit..... that’s where affiliate is different we pay 35% in sales from
The very first one.

And if you only earn if you recruit that makes it a pyramid scheme.

Like I’ve said, you’re essentially on the same side as us. I understand you will defend your own business with the waist cinchers etc but even that perpetuates the MLM bullshit around body shaming and telling women they are Not Good Enough if they don’t look a certain way.

But arix you are not tempting women with a promise of £10 a week. You have posted of five figure sums, photos in which we can just happen to glimpse your TV, big bedroom or kitchen, your six bedroom house which costs £3k rent, pictures of cars and holidays - especially the obligatory Disney shot.

@Sackedbyariix Your experience is why MLM doesn't work, the 90% who don't recruit, it's not because they don't want to, it's because they can't.

We see it all the time, new bots desperately trying to recruit, the same recruitment tactics over and over again and nobody biting. The market is saturated, people are becoming sick of it all, having friends trying to recruit them into MLM.

Forever Living is a good example of this, it reached saturation point, it's dying on it's arse in the UK. This happens with all MLM's over time. It's why Jamberry has just closed.

Here is an article on Forever Living, the saturation, and the decline.

botwatch.blog/2018/05/16/what-is-happening-to-forever-living/

Same is going on in the US with LuLaRoe. Saturation happened, greedy corporate made the products such poor quality to increase their margins, changed all the goal posts for distributors, now on its backside.

Herbalife fined millions of $$

Avon has had to close up shop in NZ and Oz. Now desperately recruiting in the UK to the point now many people I know won’t even consider buying from what was once a trusted brand as it’s gone full bot.

Kleeneze out of business.

I can go on..

Tw1nsetandpearls no I said my whole business turned over 5 figures those who
Follow me know how hard I had to
Work to keep my home! All of the things I posted I achieved from really hard work!! Genuinely and honestly earned! I will forever stand by that the experiences and lifestyle was created by me my leadership and by helping others replicate it that’s as simple as that. I
Don’t promise any income for Sirens at any point no average earnings or rank bonus promises on team volume not at all.
My tv? Is normal size 🤷🏻‍♀️ My house I earned and pay for I have 5 kids it was my dream and I’m
Proud of it is it wrong to be proud of what I’ve acheived having come from
Nothing?

Ok ok I’m not gonna make into my next rockstar 😉 I accept that but please know not everyone is that stereo type bot I wish I could be an example to slightly demonstrate that but either way it’s been at least a coherent and informative two sided thread

I've been following LLR from almost the beginning. It's fascinating, especially the amount of women who got burned, lost lots of money, but then became very vocal about how it wasn't their fault, it was LLR, and very anti LLR.

Some instantly became anti MLM, others moved on to other MLM companies, and then became anti MLM.

I'm still shocked it's lasted this long. It's like a soap opera. Lot's of victims who lost tens of thousands of dollars. Some have lost their homes, some marriages have broken up, it's bloody awful.

What is LLR? (Excuse my ignorance)

Sorry, LulaRoe, an American clothing MLM. Owned by Mormon's, the clothing is modest, to tie in with the Mormon thing.

It's also horrible, all of it.

You have to order upfront, to start your business it costs about $7000. You can choose what styles, but the patterns you get are random, and almost all of them are vomit inducing.

It became a fad in the US, people would try and find the nice designs which they called unicorns. Those that joined early did very very well, lots of people buying their stuff. Others joined, it became saturated, people woke up and realised the stuff was gross and sales dropped significantly.

Lots of people left, there are lots of groups all over facebook from those who have left.

If you google Lularoe and hit image search you will see many examples of the clothes, the ones you see will be the best of the best that were picked for advertising by the company.

I try to follow these threads as best I can (a friend got involved with Forever Living - was, high enough up that she was, in fact, mentioned on these threads), but I'm having trouble working out who the latest bots are.

Would someone mind PMing me with details of who is who please.

I understand that you are proud of what you have achieved through network marketing @SackedbyAriix but sadly many people lost money in order for you to make money. I don’t know about your current business, but while you were in an MLM there were definitely DEFINITELY people in your downlines losing money. That’s the way it works, however nice you are and however hard you work as a ‘leader’. It’s all about bringing people in at the bottom to feed the pyramid.

There’s a huge scandal at the minute about a line of “tank tops” - we would call them vests - that have been released. The arm holes are very obviously mismatched but every seller is denying the fact when confronted.
the latest item is jeans that they are retailing for $100+ but are of primark quality.

“Sounds Like MLM but OK” podcast has a 2 part discussion from two very high up LLR distributors who left after they were either not paid correctly or, in one case forced into having weight loss surgery to “fit in with the brand” that almost killed her. I would give it a listen. Also the “How to help a friend in an MLM” episode too.

I see..... sounds abysmal! I hate to think people were losing money at my expense honestly but I struggle to believe in my case that was true but understand in the majority of cases it can be the case.... I’m not blind to it! Itsjust very sad.... maybe I should just stick to my affiliate plan and be done with it 🤷🏻‍♀️ I understand you are trying to protect women from the pitfalls but in my case that protection turned into something way off that..... I get I may be an exception to the rule and I take on board all the things said here and actually as I said at the start I agree with most. It’s certainly food for thought I think

Thank you for coming on here. It was brave of you. Please stick around.

Great that you are taking on board the anti MLM message! Could you post a link to this thread on your FB page so your followers can see the discussion?

Carina,
I doubt it was anyone in this group cancelling your holiday. I must admit when I was told your name and googled you I was genuinely surprised to see such a talented woman with your artistic ability and felt saddened that you couldn't progress in that area but fully understand with the saturated market
On a personal note - I have seen around where I live the lives seriously affected by the FL business as am in the heartland of Yawn, Uber etc. Many of my friends were caught up in it and have severely depleted pockets.
Now have a great holiday
Best
Clare

Thank you, I’m not a fake or a phoney im not hiding anything or pretending to be anything I’m not, I’m jealous st doing my best with what I can to recover my life from the devastation caused by mlm and it’s BOTS

Just not jealous 🙈