MLM Bot Watch 42

[Spongebobette]

This is the 42nd thread in a long series about the dangers of network marketing/ MLMs such as Forever Living, Ariix, NuSkin, Arbonne, Younique, TS Life, and MANY MANY more!
Posts here will give examples of the lies told by 'top bots' who portray luxury lifestyles in order to lure in new victims and of the other techniques and brainwashing used by MLMs
Over 90% of people who join an MLM end up LOSING money. Always bear that in mind when considering paying money to join!

Please think really carefully about what you share on social media. You exposed yourself and your beautiful children to all sorts of dangers. The hurt you have felt on reading about yourself here is nothing compared to the risks of a public profile with photos and names of children in the wrong hands.

On these threads, I admit that we poke fun and laugh at people who are in MLMs. Selling your Louboutons was a good example of how someone can seem to fly high in an MLM but it’s all built on nothing real or lasting.

@Norma27 I get the feeling that some of sacked's friends were blaming shingles for bullying her or even cancelling the holiday

Thanks, Sponge.

No it’s not an mlm the small ranks are based on personal low level Monthly sales (£150/300/550) they get instant pay and a good profit per sales (no minimum earning or leg crap) there is only one team building rank and that’s only because very rarely (I only have 5) you’ll find someone that’s had a small team Somewhere and they e been a good leader and ppl want to join them
So I offer that one single level paid a small % on each line. The business is affiliate based because the majority of women sucked deep
Into mlm just want a few quod extra a week and the affiliate platform is perfect for that, I
Do want to launch an mlm along side it but I want the make sure it really works to people’s advantage I have a very clear vision. I know the industry can work it’s the people that corrupt it and exploit others in it

I am sorry to say that the MLM model is fundamentally flawed and only a very small percentage can ever make money.

Why do you want to launch an MLM? A system that seems to be unfair and exploit vulnerable women in particular?

Do you think it’s the system or the
Power hungry egos running the system?

If you launch another MLM then you are most definitely not on our side. >95% of reps fail, which is why the business model works for its founders. Knowing that, you really want to set up your own MLM and scam people?

Seriously?

The business model is inherently flawed. If you run it 'kindly', so to speak, it will fail. You have to be ruthless, you have to set those below you up to fail repeatedly to guarantee yourself a good income. You basically have to be a total narcissistic cunt to set up a successful MLM.

Do not a very small % in any industry make large amount of money? I honestly believe that’s it’s the appalling corporate and leadership who exploit and the companies then become greedy and change Comp plans to hurt the downline which is sad! My first company had it right there we’re ALOT of success stories then they got greedy and changed the comp plan 🤷🏻‍♀️ I just think it does give a good platform for some who are genuinely willingly to work for it give them the right product the right training and education at the right and fair price and really Offer great service and value and it has the potential to be a dream venture that’s just my humble opinion though

Ok so where is the line in your opinion between my affiliate plan and an mlm? Some make money some don’t but they have different work ethics and circumstances too? Surely not every venture in any business model will succeed restaurants, florists, cake shops are set up and fail and lose money all the time? I’m really interested to see your point of view for comparison on it? It’s more the lies and deception shown by the ppl at the top that cause more damage in my mind 🤷🏻‍♀️

I hadn’t realised that allies if sacked were in part blaming shingles.
Mlm as a model is fundamentally flawed. I truly believe that if somebody uses it as their business model then they are happy to scam vulnerable people out of money. In short, they are bloody con artists.

It only has the potential to be a dream venture at the detriment of more than 95% of its reps.

If you want it to be legitimate you:

A) pay a wage
B) statutory sick pay
C) holiday allowance

Wait, that's a company, not an MLM!

I have to agree with @Spongebobette the MLM model is flawed, it cannot, and it doesn't work.

By it's very design you have people at the top, and then people at the bottom, and the market gets saturated and over 99% of people don't make any money. It doesn't matter how good your intentions are, it just doesn't work.

All the successful MLM's have been set up for one purpose only, to make those who own the MLM money. The only usefulness you ever had to Ariix was your people skills, bringing more people in to make Ariix even more money.

Then you have some like TS Life, which hurts my heart because there are so many victims in that and it's really upsetting. Lot's has been said on that on here with many different views about how it's all going to go down when it launches, but we are all in agreement that there are going to be a lot of people who lose money which they can't afford.

The general consensus here, and what we all would like to see, is for MLM's to be illegal, some of them already are and have found to be selling products that are illegal in the UK, but we would all like to see more done and the whole industry shut down. We truly believe it is that harmful, including the many victims who either post here, or have posted here in the past.

Please do stick around, there are so many women here with a lot of experience and information regarding MLM's and why they do not work and harm women. Look what happened to you, sacked with no recourse, just like that. One day everything is lovely, the next you were left totally screwed. The ability for that to happen, and while you may be one of the most prominent people it has happened to, it has happened to plenty of women, and it continues to do so.

I also think you have a unique insight into being very high up in an MLM and what happened to you that can be used to help others.

It's not a lack of work ethic that causes someone to fail in an MLM, we actually call that victim blaming. Every single day we see new bots join an MLM, they do every single thing they are told to, a lot of which involves shelling out money, for which their uplines get a cut. They do absolutely everything textbook, everything they are told to do, they watch every single livestream, go to all the events, and still fail.

I've seen new bots work harder than i've ever done, and fail, the MLM doesn't care, they have their money, the uplines don't care, they have their money.

It really sucks, and it does get to you, especially when you see some new recruit with dreams in her head and utterly certain she will be able to succeed.

I've personally shed real tears.

I can see your points I guess I just struggle to see it like you do because I did succeed and I helped many others to have varying degrees of success too I think one of the main issues is the promise of huge incomes and riches! Good Lord I worked literally 100 hours a week for 10k a month but I was home at least with my kids and of course very few would ever commit or have the network to create what I did I know I’m
A pretty unique example but instead of over promising and under delivery and all thisyou own your business crap why not call it working self employed for a brand? It’s more needed transparency and honesty maybe it’s not an mlm I want to set up more a franchise?! 🤷🏻‍♀️ I
Just now sirens is working well and theyearn £10 a sale in their pocket and I know from being broke with kids that £10/20 goes a long way! I couldn’t afford the financial implications of employment/pension/sickpay but this model works for my team and myself. Do you think that’s wrong too?

Absolutely right @Whiterangey

Also, MLMs are NEVER about the products, however great the adherents claim they are. If the products are so brilliant they’d be sold online on Amazon etc

It is total bullshit to say MLMs are a way to empower women and help them make a few quid. The fact is that if you are relying on sales, and an MLM model is used, you will never succeed because the market will become saturated.

It’s so obvious isn’t it, that if you recruit your friend or colleague to be in your downline you are asking them to compete in the same market that you are in. What real business would ever operate like that?

Oh me too whiterangey me too!! It’s horroble but most of the time that’s because the leaders and “mentors “ are teaching them disgusting methods on how to lose friends and alienate ppl
It’s totally unregulated and the way they are taught to message their friends and family and pressure them and all the rest is one of the biggest problems!! The cold contacting random adding, loosing friends (cutting negativity) all crazy get rich quick ploys.....
They don’t teach networking and marketing they teacheapid pocket lining with zero regard for the newbie raping her Close network for 90
Dats before quitting and becoming a joking point for their friends! I agree but I know it can be done differently too

Wow “spongebobbette I used to think that way too I’d love to have an actual Discussion with you all about this to be honest it’s always interesting to hear such variations of opinion from both sides! It’s alwats been about the product and value for me! Personally my businesses have always been customer lead and focused (yes I’m the minority)

But that £10/£20 a week isn’t shown to them as a true example. It’s all “look at my merc! I was like you! Join my team! Look at my Mulberry bag! Join my team!”
Also these women aren’t advised how to declare these earnings to HMRC, sometimes they are even told not to say anything. This puts them at risk of being prosecuted and having benefits stopped. Pushing them further into poverty.
These women who call themselves health/beauty professionals and are suddenly in a whole world of trouble that the tea they’ve sold to the mother in law has put her in hospital or the mascara she promised the earth to her friend has caused a massive allergic reaction.
If you read the threads you will see that one of the Travel MLM agents gave out appalling information to a customer, left them without visas and the hotel unpaid and the customer’s are still £400 out of pocket. The customer could sue that person and ruin her!

Salon doesn’t draw people in with modest riches. She does it with diamonds and lip fillers and boob jobs and Audis. Yawn promises “life changing” incomes. Broke bot promises a day out at the fair, which is probably more realistic. 🤷🏻‍♀️

You are very much in the minority. The products that MLMs use are generally very ordinary and hyped to the max. They have to be expensive so that everyone in the upline gets a cut. The same product would cost a tenth of the price on the high street. That’s the business model, pure and simple.

People lie, they lie about their income, they lie to others in the same MLM, they may even lie to their upline.

We have busted a lot of fake income claims by bots, even top bots, who claim they are doing really well, when companies house tells us otherwise. Some are making a loss each year, yet all over facebook telling everyone who will listen how well they are doing.

There have been personal stories here, and on many of the anti-mlm groups and pages where the lowest down bots have told their stories, a lot of them involve lying to everyone, including themselves, about how much they are earning.

That £100 per month income can quickly become nothing when you need to buy new products so you have the latest thing on hand to show prospective new recruits, or even to sell. Not to mention those who need to buy stuff to get enough points to stay at their rank or even to stay in the MLM.

If you look on ebay you will see all the listings of people trying to get rid of the products they personally bought when they were in the MLM.

Bots are the MLM's main customers, in fact almost exclusively their only customers.

If you earn £100 but are paying out £102 per month to buy products, you are at a loss. Not to mention the cost of attending events, buying other crap, and everything else. Then some of these women are attempting to work their business for more hours per week than a full time job.

Not for us I have low cost products with high margins because I stack the value with support training and virtual products (healthy food plan and virtual Pt in an group) which means there is enough for everyone concerned, all your points @SSDGM ARE CORRECT but that’s poor advice, poor training and lax management too plus as I say over promising personally I was always very honest and not flashy I bought my car on credit to improve my credit rating after loosing my cake business that wasn’t a secret nor was my house being rented I admittedly lived to my means andy had to pay that price after I lost it all. I agree with you all on so many points but I know it doesn’t have to be that way. I do believe it can be done with honesty and integrity because I did and do it

Agree agree agree if I earned what ex flp ariiix claimed I did when they dismissed me I’m
Missing about 175k
Somewhere!! Lol it does happen but why promote 6 figures it’s not achieved or realistic for hardly anyone why not focus on promoting £300
A month 🤷🏻‍♀️ Help ppl actually donthat instead of selling pipe dreams!

Look, if your products are cheap why would anyone pay a premium to buy them from someone two levels below you so that several people make a bit of money?