MLM Bot Watch 35 how to lose friends and alienate people with Younique Forever Living Juice Plus Arbonne Crypto currency and tea and coffee MLM cults

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Thread 34 may be no more;
Thread 35 is quite alive.

Let's make sure it stays that way.

This thread is here to expose the garageful of lies pedalled by multi level marketing (network marketing) schemes, i.e outrageous health claims, unlimited wealth and residual earnings, to name but a few.

#sackthebot

Oh btw, u look ok huns

Flump! How the devil did you find us?!

Lets see how we get on by talking about bot behaviour generally, not nick-naming individuals. Focus too on support for anyone looking at this thread for advice or information. Regularly add useful links so that visitors can browse themselves and learn more about this insidious business model.

Ellebeau, an ex-MLMer (younique) has a very funny blog about her experiences with younique:-

ellebeaublog.com/poonique/

Well acat I have superior hun radar! what can I say? If there is a new opportunity to be discovered I can smell it from the #hunspirational womenz (and manhunz obvs) that are #woke enough to be all over it!

#Dreembeleevacheev

Anyway, I am sooo behind hunz, lifetree world was the last big pile of steaming turd that the hunbots were losing their shit (and their money) over! whats the goss? Whats all this lularoe shizzle? My own bots are so last yr, they are still all about the poonique and do-terra!

after lifetreeworld, the bots were mad for cryptocurrency MLMS and skinny coffee and other supposedly healthy ganoderma mushroom beverages (various companies) Trading Standards have been valiantly pursuing the skinny coffee vendors as some of the products may not quite have been entirely ahem legal for sale in this country.

Lularoe fortunately doesn't seem to have come to the UK - but is quite nasty by the looks of things as it's approx $6,000 typically to buy in, for which you get a shedload of garments in random patterns/sizes. Then when you order after that you can't choose the pattern of the garment. And some of the patterns are crazy ugly.

Ellebeau and the Juice Plus/MLM lies page are reaching a huge audience, they are both reaching audiences across the world and really raising awareness and helping people

It's mostly because they have a huge facebook presence.

If anyone is aware of Lularoe, then the Lularoe defective/ripped /torn leggings and clothes facebook group is a great resource at showing how bad that is and just by being there it has saved many women from wasting their money.

Groups are better than pages as they are incredibly hard to shut down, and as we know from what happened to timeless-vie, it's not that difficult to shut down a page.

Elle Beau is brilliant, I love her page, and her blog.

Crypto mlms are so clearly Ponzis with no discernible product. As people have become wiser to the mlm model new companies have had to find cheaper and cheaper products to hide the pyramid-y nature of their business in order to maximise profit from the smaller numbers of bots signing up. Just look at the coffee - how cheap must it be to mass produce yet they charge eye-watering prices for sachets like you get in hotel rooms? There's probably very little that can be made more cheaply so now they are moving into areas with no physical product like insurance and crypto.

What's the deal with usborne books?

Got a request to like the page of someone doing usborne books at home .

Initial coin offerings and MLM's/Ponzi's built up around those are also big.

USI have their techcoin, which is so stupid it's laughable, but uplines are able to talk round all this to their targets and get them to invest.

There is Onecoin, and that went bad.

Bitconnect.

The GCC Coin

So many.

People have seen what happened with Bitcoin. It was worth next to nothing and ended up being worth $20,000 per coin. I don't understand why it is worth anything, but it does make me smile that so many people mined them or got them when they were worthless and are now multi millionaires, and billionaires in some cases. The thought of people sitting in their bedrooms experimenting with technology and ending up a billionaire in a few years time is such a great rags to riches story and I can't help but smile.

It's not going to happen again though. The ones who mined the initial bitcoins or who bought them early on because they liked what it stood for put a lot of time and effort into making bitcoin get off the ground. You can't replicate that by just handing over cash and expecting it to rise by a huge amount while doing nothing apart from posting on facebook and trying to get more people to pay in .

If a scheme tells you that you can make money while asleep, it's going to be a scam.

I think I may be a little too passionate about Ponzi's. I apologise if i've gone on a bit too much about this, I think i've been thread hogging.

@NewYearNiki - it's an MLM but not as destructive as some. The books are lovely (I remember buying them for my boys who are now 23 and 21) but can be bought cheaper elsewhere than through a rep.

Newyearniki, Usborne in the UK are a publishing company that make books and sell them in bookshops. They do the ‘That’s not my...’ range. There is a branch of the company that is an MLM in the UK.

In the US, Usborne is completely MLM. They have some sort of contract to run the brand there. The only way you can buy Usborne in the US is from MLM.

Controversies around this company are the quality of some books. Errors are made and they cover them up with stickers. A lot of the time rewards are paid in books, not actual money. There has been some talk of reports to shareholders being less than honest. There is talk that the US Usborne boss promised his bots if they bought stock and lost money on it, he would reimburse them.

I think it is a difficult MLM to fight in the UK because we are all so familiar with the brand. I have Usborne Books myself.

Books are A GOOD THING which (in many people's eyes) SELL THEMSELVES.
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Hi everyone, nice to be back. Havn't been on for a few weeks didn't really have anything to say, but I have been lurking.

Sorry. Posted too soon.

There is a market out there for eg Mums, Grannies and Aunties, who can look at the pretty colours and Go 'I wish we'd had this sort of thing when I was young'. It's good 'present stuff'. You do have to ask yourself, though, how the company achieved their turnaround in financials in a declining market. However wholesome their image.

Plus - you can buy such books cheaper elsewhere.

@Whiterangey - I'm fairly passionate about Ponzi MLMs and have followed them since a lot of the LTW Top Bots jumped ship to S-Coin where they lost people a load more money.

@whiterangey

No not at all, you are not thread hogging

Very grateful for your posts!

@whiterangey

No not at all, you are not thread hogging

Very grateful for your posts!

The issue I have with the usborne books thing is looking at my friends facebook selling page, you can get the bools far cheaper than that in WHSmith, Amazon etc.

Bools......books

I'm with Usborne. Yes, some of the books you can buy cheaper from Amazon or in WHSmith but we also have some special offers they don't have plus the complete range of Usborne titles. I live in a small town where there isn't anywhere to buy books so for a lot of my customers it's convenience as well, bringing a selection of books to them. Not everyone wants to buy online, they want to browse the books to pick what they want and chat with someone who can make recommendations. Plus we do a lot with schools as we can offer them much bigger discounts.

Usborne is an MLM but I don't recognise a lot of the behaviour I see talked about on these threads & it certainly wouldn't be encouraged. Although we can build teams, there are also top sellers who genuinely sell a lot (e.g. through large school orders) rather than simply making money off recruits.

Oh ok cool. Thanks

Orangeteddy, you said yourself on another thread on here that only 20% of your income is from your own book sales and the other 80% is from your downline.

If I joined your team, realistically what would be the chance of me reaching your kind of income, which if it's the same as you claimed on the other thread is a tidy sum for part time work?

Say 15 people who posted here decided you were right and it was a good opportunity and signed up under you, what are our chances of making the same amount of money as you?

For us to get to your income we would all need 120 people under us, which would mean that us 15 people would need to recruit 1800 people between us to get the same income as you. For the 1800 people we recruit to get the same income as us they would need to recruit 120 people each. That is 21600 people who would need to be signed up.

The next level under that would need 2592000 people in it.

It doesn't work.

It may work for you, but can you see that that it is highly unlikely that if you signed up 15 people from this thread that we would see the same success no matter how hard we worked.

If by a miracle we did manage the same success as you, then our own downlines would not.

This is what happens in MLM's, the downlines fill up pretty quick and then there are no more people left. The new people that join believe they will emulate the success and income of those above them and it is just never going to happen.

As we are seeing in Forever Living, when those willing to sign on leave because they aren't making money or losing money then those above them earn less and less.

Your income is dependent on what your downline does, a little is dependent on what you sell, but 4/5's of your income is downline dependent.

The behaviour may be different to other MLM's, I don't know anything about Usbourne books or how their consultants act, but how you get a decent income from it is the same as any other MLM out there.

It's not from selling, it's from recruitment.

You seem honest, you were honest on the other thread about how your income is made up so i'm fairly certain you don't advertise to people that they can join your team and have more money than Bill Gates by next Thursday and are honest about things.

You may believe that anyone can achieve the level which you have, but in reality it's not going to happen. I am not sure of the exact stats but I believe that it's 95% or above of people will either lose or not make any money in MLM. That is all MLM's, including Usborne.

That's a very good analysis. Remember what John Oliver said about mlm schemes reaching saturation point? If you're lower down the pyramid you'd have to recruit all the aliens in space because there aren't enough people on earth to make the numbers up.