MLM Botwatch 31 - A thread for people concerned that a friend or family member has disappeared into the world of MLM

[GavinFromTradingStandards]

New thread Huns

Interesting to see that the lady who did the video about not getting her car from LTW has left Valentus after supporting salon bot up until a few days ago has left for Vitae. She was an avid supporter on Valentus to.

Are people finally waking up!?

Yes it looks like they are!

LTW! Life tree world - That was it! Ah the yazoo memories

Salonbot seems to have...I dunno...a bit of a record with less-than-kosher MLMs doesn't she? 🤔

I wonder if the valentus Caribbean cruise is still going ahead..September is nearly with us!

Thinking about it, I remember the LTW shit hitting the fan almost exactly a year ago. Salon's latest pyramid hasn't even lasted a year. I've heard tell she was paid £5k by LTW to do her "DON'T PANIC!!" Video where she admitted LTW didn't have any product to sell (and was a pyramid). I wonder if Valentus have done the same?

Wonder if Brokeflatbot has told the DWP about his big FriPay?

The company owner of V has offered a top leader money to stay quiet. This was made in a call last saturday. She turned it down and walked. He has threatened her with court. SalonBot no doubt was offered the same and Big Bad BH has offered certain reps a "move around" promising to relocate them to accounts with higher volume. Makes sense now as to why these people aren't listening. Its far messier than I can even explain :(

He threatened her with court? For what?

"Yes, your honour. I am suing her for not accepting my bribe and ruining my company."

"What do you mean it's my fault regarding the registration? But she didn't buy me more time."

"No your honour, I'm sure with your level of education you know what a pyramid scheme is and Valentus most definitely isn't, because we have a product!"

"We will once we are registered with companies house."

"What do you mean when you say companies house registration won't make selling weight loss coffee legal?"

"I've never heard of the FSA. Doesn't sound legit..."

Hi @TheRealBarnBot I notice that in with all the brilliant help you are giving to the victims of the Valentus mess there are others preying on those who are out of pocket on your threads trying to sign people up for the next scheme. Schemes that are making, once again, outrageous claims about weight loss, income and lifestyle that we all know it's a proven fact anyone who does sign up for won't get.
Would you say all this has changed your opinion on Network Marketing and do you think it is as damaging and disempowering towards women as those of us who are anti MLM do?
I understand from reading these threads you did make a reasonable living out of FL but you are obviously a shrewd and intelligent businesswoman but the majority of those sucked in aren't as savvy or maybe do not have the understanding that a few bossbabe hashtags do not a businesswoman make.

So he's threatened her with court for refusing to be blackmailed? Mmm ...!

Just watched a live from an ex LTW Valentus Bot who is a firm Salonbot supporter. She claims that people have moved into another company and then found out the products weren't registered either. Is that Vitae or Xerveo? Are any of these coffees legal? Apparently Valentus has a "top legal team" who are sorting everything as we speak.

Ive told the vultures to stop being so disrespectful on my posts. Ive always seen that behaviour. Its a difficult one for me because I've experienced a genuinely good side of the industry. However I have seen a really dark side too. I have always tried to educate people, my team were always good people doing things with common sense and honesty however I have seen those people destroyed by the ethics of others. For that reason I have given up trying to do good in the mlm industry, trying to help others do good. I am now going to fight the bad with you. Publically! I am not here to bitch about the people that join them I am here to expose the bastards that bully, lie and manipulate. My friends used to joke that if I ever sided with you we would bring the greedy arseholes down in a week.... well im with you 100% mumsnet!

Xerveo are coffee, it's where Brokeflatbot has gone. I can't see how if Valentus is illegal, how either Vida tea, lean java bean OR Xerveo can be legal to sell without at least the food seller's licence Gavin From
trading Standards told HighStreetHoneybot that she would need. I think Juice plus get around this by doing auto shipping to the customer so the distributors don't handle the stock but I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong.

Natasha, you are doing amazing things for all the V reps. Keep up the great work!!

Can I ask what made you leave FL?

rayofhope there were lots of reasons many had nothing to do with mlm. I saw things with top leaders I didnt agree with and found myself feeling drained. I suffer with M.E and often have periods of depression most of the time I just accept it and deal with it but I couldn't last year. This thread didnt help if im honest! However I do understand why I was not believed, hardly surprising when you're seeing so many behave so badly. Im not angry about it anymore, I often agreed with posts in here but Ive always believed you can still be successful without misleading people because I did it. Saying that I dont believe you can get passed a certain income level and remain honest as the money will at some point become too important. I didnt want to get to that level! I dont hate all mlm and many reasons that are too much to explain in here but I have always and will always be against the vile behaviour I have seen.

Eeek @TheRealBarnbot !

I hear that Danniiiii has got just 3 places left on her team hun. You should PM her!

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You seem really honest and genuine in all your answers Natasha.
I think I'm a little bit in love! ☺️

Oh don't get me wrong I can still be a dick at times! Haha! Hey no ones perfect!! I started the daycare business because I hate that big profits are made from the two most vulnerable groups in our society! Children and elderly! Thats my other fight! Our nurseries will cut costs in half for working families and small profits given back in the forms of funded school holidays places etc. My career background was elderly care. Yes i am a sarcastic cow at times but Ive always been a good egg underneath the bravado! Lol. I think im just sick of people accepting things and not asking questions or being too scared to speak up when they see wrong doings!! I tend to end up fighting for the underdogs! My mum rolls her eys at me im constantly wanting to fight causes!! Haha

Ha, that sounds familiar. Currently sitting out a 30 day FB ban because I called out Valentus and was mass reported. My previous bans were for exposing a liar that was posing as various Celebrities/ law enforcement and conning people out of money and asking for nudes.

Oh ive had the vultures on the attack already too. Apparently ive joined another company and im calculated, doing it all to grow my new team! Yes i will publically denounce mlm whilst joining another mlm..... that would be fantastic for my reputation wouldn't it!! Honestly I have rolled my eyes so much Ive burnt calories!

You are doing a great job Natasha

It's important to bear in mind that there are real victims in all this, mums who want to stay at home with their children and invest in these schemes. It makes me so cross to see the top bots boasting about incime and flaunting their lifestyle (even though it's often exaggerated) because where does this money actually come from?

Natasha - I'm sure you can deal with the vultures, you come across as a no-nonsense, articulate type who won't take their shit!

Have you been in contact with Timeless Vie and Botwatch? You should do, as a team you could do great work.

I'm also slightly saddened by the amount of people who have gone to Natasha for advice on how to recoup their money they spent on Valentus but are already signed up to be a Xerveo distributor. Talk about not learning any lessons. If they lost money on that mlm what makes them think this one which is exactly the same will give different results? Isn't that the definition of madness?

When will people realise that the top bots are shills who get a lot of their money from training tools?

If anyone following these threads hasn't read Merchants of Deception (which is a true account of someone who escaped from Amway after realising where the money was coming from) it's an eye-opener. Mr Google will help you find a free PDF version.

Right. I'm doing something probably a bit daft but I'm wanting to prove a point. There is a bit of very reduced Valentus stock on eBay. I'm going to buy 2 weeks worth for £20 and put this to the test. I've justified it to myself in that I've just helped some poor sod who's be doing who's been ripped off a few quid that I can probably afford more than she can. I'm going to do exactly what the top bots say and not change anything about my diet or exercise and will report back.