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MLM Bot Watch 29 - Come and join #teamdannii! We are #disruptivebydesign and now powered by Timeless Vie's #skinnylard

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acatcalledjohn · 25/04/2017 21:37

Previous thread here

Will follow up with links shortly. In the meantime this is especially for spongebobette

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Sean1984 · 06/06/2017 08:45

Great little video. I saw a few months ago an uber FL both was in the Netherlands i think, drumming up the hype no doubt

Toobusytowee · 06/06/2017 08:48

I was googling, looking for Nu Skin and the London attacks and found this by accident- www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523237/Nu-Skin-founder-58-harassed-husbands-alleged-rape-victim-18-make-drop-charges.html

MrsGotobed · 06/06/2017 08:58

Oh god my bot is doing another C9 cleanse.

Guess what? Having taken tablet supplements and drunk shed loads of aloe vera since yesterday morning (so no food ) she has a flatter tummy.

Who'd have thought not eating for 36 hours and shitting yourself inside out from drinking aloe vera would do that!!

You can't fix stupid.

MyCatsHateMLMtoo · 06/06/2017 17:46

Wow, Wow, Wow! FactProviders that video is superb. How fascinating that they have come to exactly the same conclusions as we have regarding this insidious company.

The rep for the company, FLP Director Mr Boots' comments were very illuminating...

When asked about FLP's lack of financial transparency "Why are you not a little more transparent?"

His response was "We do not publish financial reports, we are a family enterprise so those reports are not mandatory."

Questioner: "But you could still do it, right?"

Mr Boots: "Yes, we are still learning. And actually it is so easy for me to drum up all these numbers because that we've been working on this already. We will publish it all soon on our website."

He goes on to say "Back to the misunderstanding that almost no-one makes any money from their FLP activity. In the Netherlands a glorious 100 families make a generous full time income in FLP.

Questioner interrupts to clarify his previous comments "Before you said 1 in 7 now you say 100 families make more than 1000 euros monthly?"

Mr Boots replies "er, yes. And then 6 out of 7 make some side income ranging from tens to hundreds of euros."

A little later the questioner asks "But you also have real top earners?"

Mr Boots replies "That depends on our definition."

Questioner: "Well, maybe 5000 euros a month. How many people make that?"

Mr Boots: "Well, that I do not know exactly. I do know how many make 10,000 euros. That is currently more than 12 people in the Netherlands."

Questioner: "Are you too a top seller?"

Mr Boots: "No, I am a director of FLP."

Questioner: "You do not sell any products at all, not even to your own friends and family?"

Mr Boots admits that yes he does sell a bit, for fun.

Questioner "Do you explicitly promise you will publish all these numbers?

Mr Boots replies " We will reach an agreement on that, yes."

They then turn to the health claims of FLP reps.

Questioner: "We just heard one of your people tell a beautiful story about a woman with MS. 50% of her symptoms magically vanished, after she started using FLP products.

Mr Boots: "Yes, that was terrible and very painful to watch. Because our company makes an immense effort to prevent this from happening. Because such health claims are absolutely unacceptable."

Questioner: "Which concrete efforts do you make?"

Mr Boots: "We have all sorts of events, including days intended for educating our people... terms and conditions...these are bullet proof. They explicitly forbid these claims."

Questioner: "I do not doubt those rules exist, even if only to shield FLP from any liability but, if they are all independent sales people, the incentive to sell is quite substantial, and if there is a lack over oversight, such violations are simply inevitable."

Mr boots: "There is no lack of oversight, the people in our network keep an eye on each other. The efforts of our organisation have caused a behavioural transition among our people. Many of these independent sellers know realise that these health claims are dangerous even when nobody is watching them And those report back to us if they witness any wrongdoings within the organisation. In addition we have all sorts of monitoring software that scans social media so that we can see what people say about our products, and which pitches they use."

Questioner (I love her!) "But those are not private conversations."

The interview continues, to talk about the impact on personal relationships.

Then Claudia Gross, Professor of Business, makes an observation "I look forward to receiving the numbers referenced here today, I am particularly interested to see how the numbers were made up, because 100 families, 1 out of 7 that all sounds great but I fear that you left out many of the people trying to become successful at FLP ."

She ends by asking Mr Boots to just put the numbers on their website so that everyone has access to them and no one needs to make phone calls.

Would love to watch an updated programme, after Mr Boots gives FLP figures of Ms Gross to forensically scrutinise.

Annie65 · 06/06/2017 17:59

Mycats, my bot went on one of these "training days" to be educated on the health and nutrition side of forever products. She says after 2 1/2 years she now knows the correct way to use the products. She is overwhelmed by how good the products are. A one day course from 9 till 5 at a snip of £38, or £42 if booked on line. I have been trying to copy the text to you all, but I cant. However you can always PM me huns.Wink

cozietoesie · 06/06/2017 18:07

.... We are still learning....

How long have they been going for? Wink

Annie65 · 06/06/2017 18:29

She says " There have been many misconceptions and claims about what our products do, that are untrue. However after learning the facts about what our products do I am blown away". That sounds like an admission to me that whatever she has said before to customers was a load of bull-shit.Hmm

BSintolerant · 06/06/2017 23:47

Factproviders Thank you for posting that video on the Forever Living Cult. The more people it reaches, the better. I'm sure it will raise awareness and a few eyebrows. Wink

It's terrible that ex-Forever Living bots have received threats for speaking out, but that's typical of the bullying behaviour cults use when people see the light.

SSDGM · 07/06/2017 06:56

I wonder if Valentus would be happy with flatbot's open admission of recreational drug use? Or maybe he needs it to sleep because of all the caffeine in that crap?

MrsGotobed · 07/06/2017 08:38

It's just occurred to me who flatbot reminds me of ... Robbie Williams. Partly in how he looks but also partly to do with that cocky, "look at me, I'm God's gift" type of attitude.

BSintolerant · 07/06/2017 09:42

If flatbot is God's gift I'd hate to see the booby prize.

SSDGM · 07/06/2017 10:32

God's gift. Alone and jobless smoking weed in a flat in Stoke. I knew atheism was the right idea Grin

SSDGM · 07/06/2017 10:34

Haha! Just noticed the drug reference has been removed. Also: his "new" car already needs an MOT 3 weeks after he bought it? Living the dream there.

MrsGotobed · 07/06/2017 13:04

Hell no, please don't think for one minute I (or any sane person for that matter) would consider him God's Gift - he just seems to believe that he is.

He's cocky, mouthy, full of himself and full of bullshit. Bit of a loose cannon too from an MLMs point of view (as the drugs reference and subsequent removal showed)

SteelyEyes · 07/06/2017 14:19

If you are in Ireland MLMs being discussed on Joe Duffy RTÉ Radio 1 now. For the UK you can listen live or get the playback on the RTÉ Radio app.

TrippleFlappyDiamondSparrow · 07/06/2017 16:17

That MOT though.. I can't even 😭😭

Sean1984 · 07/06/2017 17:05

Must listen back steelyeyes-"sure sure sure,talk to joe"

MyCatsHateMLMtoo · 07/06/2017 19:11

I've become involved in a discussion on another fb page about an MLM called Pruviit, who sell Keto OS, a supplement which is meant to switch you into ketosis quickly when you begin a ketogenic diet.

Normally it could take a week or two of some discomfort before you are in ketosis and some people get flu-like symptoms. I didn't when I started back in March 2016, in fact I felt fine overall (but then again, by the time I became desperate enough to try this way of eating, I felt like shite anyway Grin.

The way we eat nowadays is heavily loaded with carbohydrates and we therefore burn carbs for energy and store the excess as fat, but when I switched to Low Carb Healthy Fat/keto/banting I completely stopped eating carbs, except for some low carb veggies and switched to burning my own fat stores. It is incredibly enjoyable, actually, and even now fifteen months later I still love it.

Anyway, the company who has devised this supplement market it using MLM, which is a shame really. They target people who want to be in ketosis (burn fat) but also want to eat carbs so switch quickly from carb burning to fat burning (having their cake and eating it, literally).

Whether or not it works, I don't know. I just know that I wouldn't get involved in any product that was marketing using this business model. Our converation has been somewhat fruitless although many of my comments have been 'liked' by others so it seems that MLM is disliked as a concept by some members. Some pointed comments like "are you selling it, then?" are cropping up too Grin.

DoratheExplorer17 · 07/06/2017 19:39

Didn't anyone else spot that stoke flat bot's 'top quality' motor that he only bought the other week with all the money he's earned from his bizniz has failed it's mot?

Sean1984 · 07/06/2017 20:10

This is the link for that radio show. Don't know will it work outside of Rep of Ireland cdn.rasset.ie/manifest/audio/2017/0607/20170607_rteradio1-liveline-herbalife_c21185053_21185055_261_/manifest.m3u8

Spongebobette · 07/06/2017 20:44

I might have to fall out with Stokeflatbot about his political views 😉

cozietoesie · 07/06/2017 21:03

Only his political views? Wink

SteelyEyes · 07/06/2017 21:42

Thanks for posting the link Sean1984

fitgirl26 · 07/06/2017 21:51

Well this is what I've found out about Flatbot's upline and mentor:
*Flatbot's upline" was found in January to be the leader of an unnamed Kelowna cocaine ring, moving large amounts of the drug throughout the period of a 2006 undercover investigation. Not only was he convicted of trafficking, but he was also found guilty of directing a criminal organization.

fitgirl26 · 07/06/2017 21:52

That was from a 2011 art

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