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Matched betting?! Tell me more...

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ExpatMrs · 08/04/2017 15:59

Just came across a good few MNers talking about it on another thread. I don't even know what it is but from the jist of the convo, there's good money to be made from having a couple of hours a day to do it... I have those hours!!
Can anyone enlighten me please?

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Verticalvenetianblinds · 13/04/2017 16:35

we've well and truly invaded the thread, and its going v well! but wheres the OP gone?!

TessTube · 13/04/2017 16:46

I started this today.

I think I made a cock up due to a part of my bet being unmatched at betfair and I tried to sort it out but ended up winning £90 at Coral and losing £101.64 at betfair. Not good.

So I'm out of exchange money, with 5 bets waiting to come in.

I've done a little spreadsheet and I've put in £226 and I'm currently down £105.

I'm a bit confused about what I might win or lose so am def. waiting now until this all comes in.

Basically Mr Snoozy the fast horsey bastard cost me the tenner.

It's very interesting isn't it? I'm not remotely tempted to gamble but the fiddling about is quite addictive.

CalmItKermitt · 13/04/2017 16:49

Backing Lyon to be in the lead at half time.

HappyAxolotl · 13/04/2017 16:51

I've been reading and swotting up for the last couple of days and have now done my first matched bets. It looked massively complicated when I first looked at it but I think it is all starting to click together now

MaidOfStars · 13/04/2017 16:52

Backing Lyon to be in the lead at half time
Yep, agree. That's the result I spotted too.

Yep, good start.

CalmItKermitt · 13/04/2017 16:52

TessTube same here!!

I couldn't be less interested in gambling. The excitement for me is knowing I'm going to make money! And the satisfaction of getting it right 😄

CalmItKermitt · 13/04/2017 16:53

Whoa thanks Maid!! 👍🏻😄

TessTube · 13/04/2017 16:54

Now I have this money in Coral and I'm scared to take it in case I get gubbed.

TessTube · 13/04/2017 16:57

Has anyone done William Hill yet? I can't work out if you should do the 30 quid as three bets.

I was nosing on other forums and it seems WH is not a good one to get gubbed from.

Look at me saying gubbed, l only found out what it was 5 mins ago. Grin

MrsWombat · 13/04/2017 17:12

I'm contemplating my William Hill free bets at the moment, but I can't find anything obvious for this evening that I haven't already bet/laid on with Betfair. I will probably do the 3 bets at once though. Probably tomorrow.

MaidOfStars · 13/04/2017 17:15

I'm into 'bet £X, get your stake back if you lose'offers Grin

MaidOfStars · 13/04/2017 17:16

I've got £7.50 in Coral. Will keep it for a mug bet at weekend.

TessTube · 13/04/2017 17:23

My betfred horse won. So I have 18 in there now. I wish these horses would stop bloody winning.

Though I see you can make a few mug bets to move funds into the exchange without making a withdrawal? They need ID sending in to withdraw anyway.

Confused as I bet 10 with betfred, won 18

I put 10.05 on the lay bet and it says I lost 10.25, so did I lose just 10.25? Or a total of 20.30. In which case I'm miscalculating somehow.

TessTube · 13/04/2017 17:25

Is the liability the total of your loss or does it include the initial stake on top? Confused

MillieMoodle · 13/04/2017 17:36

Well I've signed up to profit accumulator (just the free bit for now), set up a separate email address, joined a couple of cash back sites and now need to watch the PA clips which will hopefully explain what I should be doing. Have already got a bank account that I don't use any more, so will use that for any profit made! Going to have a look on Oddsmonkey too but feeling a bit Confused at the moment. I thought I understood it yesterday but now I'm not so sure.

Verticalvenetianblinds · 13/04/2017 17:43

gosh the money takes a while to transfer back tho, totally didnt consider that Blush

mysticpizza · 13/04/2017 17:51

But... What's in it for the bookmakers if customers can't lose?

It's a loss leader. Once signed up they will attempt to tout all their other wares which will cost the punter their own cash. They also know a percentage will develop problems with gambling boosting their profits exponentially as those problems escalate. Bookies don't do anything which isn't in their own interests.

TessTube · 13/04/2017 18:14

They probably make a certain percentage from people with crap maths like me Grin

AuntieBilly · 13/04/2017 18:31

4. I have a fairly addictive personality. Is MB'ing likely to become a problem?

As someone who spent the best part of 15 years working in and around online gaming, I'm going to post the link to Gamcare. Matched betting vastly reduces the risk but it is still gambling and the 'rush' and euphoria type feelings you get when gambling still can occur - just read some of the posts on this thread of reactions when people placed their first bets.

The questions on the self-assessment tool are well worth looking at - warning signs that you might have a problem developing include chosing to spend time gambling rather than with family and friends (this can be a particular risk with matched betting as it's awfully easy to convince yourself that you're 'earning' and not gambling).

Similarly chasing losses - so trying to win back what you've lost straight away is a big warning sign we always looked out for, especially if you place larger bets than usual to try to recoup faster (eg if you normally do £10 bets but after a significant loss you decide to bet £50 the next time to win it all back in one go).

If you do find yourself worrying you have a problem all EU regulated online gaming companies have to offer you cooling off/time out periods where they will suspend your account and you absolutely will not be able to get into it during that time (they will also shut down any new ones you try to open to get round it in that period pretty damn fast as well). If you are genuinely concerned you have a problem then you can opt to self-exclude which will close your account for eg 6 months or permanently. You can also call them and ask for advice if you're worried you have a problem and they can give you guidance/help you set the tools to self-exclude etc and give you details of support organisation.

But... What's in it for the bookmakers if customers can't lose?
The traditional non-exchange bookies nearly always make a profit. They price odds so that the payout is less than the actual probability of something winning. So if the true probability of something winning is 25% then they will offer closer to 2-1 rather than 3-1 (so 3.0 rather than 4 in decimal odds). Also the favourites don't always win in the long run. Bookies look at performance over a year/season - that's why you sometimes see headlines that Ladbrokes eg had a bad quarter as all the favourites won at the start of the football season but over time they will make it back.

The exchanges don't care so much as they're taking a percentage of your winnings (not stake as someone mentioned up thread); for every bet there is a winner - obviously they tend to make more when the backer wins rather than the layer but whoever wins they're taking their commission. Matched betting works because you're two bets are with completely separate companies (unless you're using PaddyPower (or Betfair) Sportsbook and Betfair Exchange as they're owned by the same company) so they don't see both sides of your matched bet.

Free bets make money for the bookies because they bring in customers - matched betting off sets a lot of the customer's overall risk but the back bets with the free bets do lose so cost the company nothing. They also know that once you've got an account set up it's very easy to have a flutter on other things and use your winnings to make other bets/keep deposits. I suspect a fair few MNers who've opened accounts online through this will stick a few quid in to have eg a flutter on Gold Cup or Grand National next year for example when they might not have otherwise thought to open an online account.

Frouby · 13/04/2017 18:39

Have just spoken to my lovely cousin. She is 2 years into this and quit her management job to do this.

She is doing it professionally and is making serious money. She has recommended definitely setting up a separate bank account and looking at the first month as training. So don't take any of your profit out. She also says that a really easy way to double your money is get your partner set up at the same time.

Am definitely doing this when the kids are back at school.

mysticpizza · 13/04/2017 18:47

I have a fairly addictive personality. Is MB'ing likely to become a problem?

People who develop problems with gambling can be more likely to have struggled with other addictions in the past or to substitute a gambling addiction for another addiction if they decide to stop (lots and lots easier said than done). A gambling addiction itself can switch formats if the original problem outlet is closed. If you already know you have a propensity to addictive behaviour it might well be a good idea to give this a swerve IMO.

HeavenlyEyes · 13/04/2017 18:59

doubling your money by doing a fake account in partner's name, or having 2 accounts at one address, can lead to very quick gubbing.

This is not gambling so it is not the same sort of addiction. As long as you follow instructions to the letter then you are not risking like you would with gambling. That is the whole point.

CalmItKermitt · 13/04/2017 19:01

I've got £150 to start off with.

Maybe £100 in Betfair and the rest, £5 at a time (or whatever the qualifying stake is) in the bookie?

Frouby · 13/04/2017 19:04

Heavenly she has been doing it 2 years always using 2 accounts and not been gubbed yet.

AuntieBilly · 13/04/2017 19:08

This is not gambling so it is not the same sort of addiction. As long as you follow instructions to the letter then you are not risking like you would with gambling. That is the whole point.

I disagree - it is still gambling, the things which can become addictive about gambling are exactly the same even if you are massively minimising the risk through matched betting. The euphoria, the waiting on results etc. Gambling is the same as alcohol - millions of people do it safely and manage the risk to very safe limits (not drinking too much, knowing when to stop) but for some that doesn't happen, and it can be exactly the same with any form of betting.

The free bets can also be seductive if you have the potential to become addicted - I'm not an alcoholic, I can decline a free shot any time or just have one, the acloholics I know would find declining the free shot incredibly hard at some stages in their recovery and if they had one they probably wouldn't be able to stop. Most matched betters aren't addicts and they will continue to plug away with very low risk stakes and make reasonable money but some people will get to the stage where they have some bank and the next free bet they think they won't bother using it for their matches, they've got money in the bank for that, they'll have a wild flutter on X-Factor instead or a greyhound and that can (not always) develop into a problem.

Don't get me wrong, I love gambling and I'm not saying that people shouldn't match bet but it is disingenuous to say it isn't gambling and addiction should't be a worry.