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MLM Bot Watch 20 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc

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stopfaffing · 28/04/2016 06:20

Bot Watch 19 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etcThread 19
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Twunk · 01/05/2016 23:00

This thread has made me realise that LTW is worse than I thought (which was bad).

I honestly don't know how you can't see it grease/LTW

throwingpebbles · 01/05/2016 23:00

Bollocks ltw I had the privilege of reading that thread before it got blocked and it was the most disingenuous "Q&A" ever. Damn right they deleted it.
Found any more on there then that they have allowed to stand? Do link Smile

Avon are worse that LTW then??? Hmm

chuckingstones · 01/05/2016 23:02

That's the thing, the aim of LTW is to get enough sign ups so you get your £200 and essentially your shopping becomes "free" (assuming your downline keeps up their end of the bargain). The thing is, alot of the shopping isn't shopping you'd normally get, yes some of it is, but if people are gifting items to others or putting items into a food bank, then you're not getting all your shopping free.

Your earlier post said you'd spend £220 on products there, I assume that's to get your 100 points. So that's on items you'd actually want and you admit the hamper is a cheaper way of doing it. I've heard this story alot of times now, but it sounds almost like people are just buying food in order to justify getting their next shop for free. It's basically a buy 3 get one free offer but on a huge amount of products, alot of them being products people don't really want/need.

I have no doubt that, as with other MLMs, if you can convince enough people to join you can make a bit or money, however my morals would prevent me as I know that there's a good chance that someone I got involved would lose money and I would feel too guilty.

LifeTreeWorld · 01/05/2016 23:03

Well, if it all goes tits up, it all goes tits up. Time will tell.

throwingpebbles - i'm not ignoring anything. I've posted the bonus details quite a few times, I see no need to keep repeating it.

cozietoesie · 01/05/2016 23:04

As I said, always look at 'Where the money - the hard cash - actually comes from and where it actually goes?'. Try not to be distracted by pictures of wampum.

Nolongerconfused · 01/05/2016 23:05

Cozie maybe they think the money grows on life trees?! HmmGrin

Of all the MLM companies it is the one that worries me most & makes least sense to me. I just don't get how you don't get it.

orangefizzypop75 · 01/05/2016 23:05

That's what I was referring to throwing - people buying the hampers, but not ever receiving them but having payment taken. It's taken some people WEEKS to get their money back through constant pestering (of which the shouldn't have to do AND wouldn't happen at a regular supermarket)

Twunk · 01/05/2016 23:05

Oh please LTW please reconsider.

It's the most pyramidy pyramid we've come across yet.

It's a scammy mcscam face.

LifeTreeWorld · 01/05/2016 23:05

We're talking of different threads then Throwing because the one i'm referring to got blocked before it had more than two replies.

Why would I be able to link to existing MSE threads? As you've already said a number of times- , MSE are deleting any mention of it.

LifeTreeWorld · 01/05/2016 23:09

Twunk - I appreciate it, but I really don't need saving. I'm a big girl, i'm not easily distracted by pretty words and sparkly bits. I researched, I thought about it and I went into LTW with my eyes open. If it goes tits up, so be it, lesson learned.

cozietoesie · 01/05/2016 23:09

You've been very open and I thank you for that.

DoTheMLMHustle · 01/05/2016 23:10

You do sound nice LTW, and thanks for coming back to tell us about it

For your £200 bonus do all your people have to be active? If one drops out, would you still get it?

I think I can see a big turnover of people in LTW. You could keep up the shopping but for say 3 or 4 months couldn't you, but there would reach a point where you'd be selling it or stock-piling it. I reckon that's why they've got those dodgy holiday hampers. It's for the people who just can't face another Yazoo or tomato soup!

Twunk · 01/05/2016 23:10

But it's not just you. It's the people you recruit and the people they recruit.

throwingpebbles · 01/05/2016 23:15

ltw no same thread, I was just lucky enough to see it as it went up!

MrGrumpy01 · 01/05/2016 23:16

It's going to be like this for some isn't it? (random google pic, as per my earlier comment about Extreme Couponing)

MLM Bot Watch 20 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc
throwingpebbles · 01/05/2016 23:17

Oh so MSE are still deleting any mention of it. Yet they are ok with Avon. Doesn't that make even a teeny tiny alarm bell ring???

LifeTreeWorld · 01/05/2016 23:17

Do - yes, for £200, all seven of you (you and the 6 you've introduced) have to be active and do a 100PV shop.

Twunk - I don't lie to anyone, I give them the truth and the facts. And credit people with enough sense to make their own mind up.

There are many MLM's I couldn't be a part of...I particularly dislike any sort of diet plan/juice/shake/supplements with outstanding claims because i'm a big fan of healthy eating (and for fucks sake, just buy a nutribullet if you want to live off whizzed up fruit and veg).

But I don't have any problem sleeping at night with LTW. I give people facts about how the company works and they make their mind up whether they fancy it or not. Same as I did.

cozietoesie · 01/05/2016 23:19

People might be interested in this blog and, in particular, in the first article. It's not quite the same situation but it does show grabbers (and losers) at work. 'twas ever thus, I fear.

blog link

DoTheMLMHustle · 01/05/2016 23:19

The money comes from the way it's structured doesn't it, and the profit on the items

So at least 30% profit on items
Then, your £200 bonus but only after you've got 6 people
£35 joining fee, That's £35 X 7 = £245

LTW does the bonus jump from £200 to £750 or does it get incrementally bigger?

Twunk · 01/05/2016 23:19

It will not work LTW but hey ho - if you think this blatant Ponzi scheme is a good bet then we aren't going to change your mind.

throwingpebbles · 01/05/2016 23:20

Nearly time for another thread my fellow adherents, heroic ex-bots, current mlmbots and people-who-aren't-quite-sure-what-they-are-from-one-post-to-the-next

chuckingstones · 01/05/2016 23:20

Exactly Twunk - lesson learned if it does go tits up, but what happens to all the others you get involved? Do you share all your research with all of them when you recruit them? Do you tell them that unless they recruit x number of people they won't make any money, or do you just tell them what a wonderful opportunity LTW is?

That's one of the huge bugbears of MLMs for me, people are sucked in with all the promises, but aren't given a healthy dose of realism alongside it. Thankfully we're here and are spreading the word.

LifeTreeWorld · 01/05/2016 23:21

Oh so MSE are still deleting any mention of it. Yet they are ok with Avon. Doesn't that make even a teeny tiny alarm bell ring???

Not really, no. I suppose it depends how highly you regard MSE.

MSE has it's place and uses (and the forums are the best bit IMO) - but article wise, there's plenty on there that is also morally dubious at best IMO. Martin has plenty of dodgy and unfair ways to whittle cash from financial companies which I really, really disagree with (PPI/PBA's being two obvious ones).

So no, the fact that MSE don't like it doesn't really figure for me tbh.

DoTheMLMHustle · 01/05/2016 23:23

I think LTW you've gone in with the right mindset, you don't seem to be that bothered or putting in an order for a Porsche!

LTW in my opinion seems to be aimed at a very particular market, corner shops, etc. They definitely would be able to get rid of the stuff.

LifeTreeWorld · 01/05/2016 23:23

Do - it's a straight jump. £200 for 6 people, £750 for 21 people you introduce.

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