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MLM Bot Watch 20 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc

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stopfaffing · 28/04/2016 06:20

Bot Watch 19 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etcThread 19
Links to follow...Grin

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orangefizzypop75 · 01/05/2016 08:55

For those visiting bots that have difficulty in reading how all MLM's are scams, here's a handy podcast that you can listen to!!

theartofcharm.com/podcast-episodes/robert-fitzpatrick-mlm-doesnt-work-episode-247/

Delurker2016 · 01/05/2016 09:03

Morning one and all.
Having been someone who was dragged into the FLP cult hook, line and sinker, who has said things to her friends about mindset (which luckily they can now laugh with me about, long story, will have to share another time) I can wholeheartedly say that you really should have a good hard look in the mirror.
Was the money I earned worth how I have felt about myself the past few months? No. Will I do everything I can to stop people from being subjected to what I was. Damn right.

PowerofThree · 01/05/2016 09:08

Have lurked on these threads for a while. Found this today which summed up some of my discomfort with the FL approach to charity and the gushing 'South Africa has changed my whole view point' posts that seem to have been encouraged: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36132482

Toobusytowee · 01/05/2016 09:20

Eye have a message for you all

"It would be most helpful if MN members forgot about all these various, ill-written technical statutes, and regulatory guidelines, concerning so-called 'MLM income opportunities' and, instead, simply concentrated on the Fraud Act 2006, section 3:

Fraud by failing to disclose information.

In The UK, a person is in breach of this section if he/she dishonestly fails to disclose to another person information which he/she is under a legal duty to disclose, and intends by failing to disclose the information, make a gain for him/herself or another or to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

Broadly similar criminal laws, identifying (and prohibiting) fraud as a form of theft, exist in virtually every country, but for some mysterious reason they have never been enforced when it comes to the phenomenon of blame-the-victim 'Multi-Level Marketing Income Opportunity' racketeering. Furthermore, very few people have ever called for their enforcement in respect of 'MLM.'

Yet, 'if you pass any law, but fail to enforce it, you effectively authorise the very crime which you were apparently seeking to prohibit.'

In reality, no front-company for any 'MLM' racket has ever voluntarily declared the hidden insolvency/churn rates for its so called 'income opportunity,' because no one would have signed-up if they had. Each 'MLM' shill Bot who has appeared on these thread has failed to declare this key information, by ignoring my specific questions, and/or by pleading ignorance.

The hidden overall insolvency/churn rates for blame-the-victim 'MLM icome opportunity' rackets have always been effectively 100%. Thus, in the UK, anyone withholding this key-information in order to make a gain for him/herself, and or for another person, is breaking the law."

cozietoesie · 01/05/2016 09:27

Thank you, Power. Interesting and thought-provoking article.

throwingpebbles · 01/05/2016 09:34

I agree with eyes the fraud act would be a perfectly good tool to convict anyone who has misled others as to likely success etc with a view to recruiting them. That would capture any of the top bots with a renta-lifestyle in particular as that seems like quite large scale deception. If I was a bot and wanted to avoid risk of conviction I would be being very honest about the realities of MLM and my actual success...

prettyusefulsometimes · 01/05/2016 09:41

Excellent post Timeless Vie, more evidence of what we all know goes on; public compliance v "secret" advice on what you will have to do to get a sale/recruit.

Will my business in a box come with an MLM boyfriend? Asking for a friend ...

Interesting article PowerofThree. I was horrified by the FL bots poverty tourism followed by designer label "shopping" - certainly way, way less "classy" than a bit of letting off steam swearing. For fucks sake.

Botfan63 · 01/05/2016 09:42

There seems to be an epidemic of vulnerable people isn't it amazing how every body who doesn't succeed in MLM is vulnerable what an absolute crock of 💩💩💩💩.

lastuseraccount123 · 01/05/2016 09:43

oh please. if the MLMshills really want to disabuse people of the notion that "MLMs are a quick way to make $$$" then all they ahve to do is this: put in big, ginormous letters on their website: YOU WILL BE WORKING 80 HOURS A WEEK FOR MONTHS FOR LITTLE REWARD. YOU MAY LOOSE MONEY. YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR KIDS IN DAYCARE. ALSO YOU MAY FAIL".

Off you go then, bots! make is SUPER CLEAR so no one can possibly be confused about the reality. Grin

and also, HOT MLM BOYFRIEND!!! www.facebook.com/timelessvie/videos/vb.1647635148840840/1727042844233403/?type=2&theater

Delurker2016 · 01/05/2016 09:46

There's an epidemic of egotistical pricks if you ask me.

cozietoesie · 01/05/2016 09:48

And to answer a PP who pondered on what might happen with market saturation? My own - and very personal - view is that the MLMs will shift focus to the 'less developed markets' which have not yet reached saturation and where the social and regulatory environments might be more conducive to expansion and profit. Africa is a case in point but South East Asia and the former Eastern bloc countries are also in the frame I reckon.

Remember - there is no inherent loyalty in the overall MLM business. The UK might be left to 'tick over' as best it can but I think that there are already signs of potential movement to other areas and some of the more prominent current adherents might be encouraged into development there. (And new, local adherents gathered in also.)

Melaw21 · 01/05/2016 09:59

timeless superb post as always, and power wow! Barbie Savior reads almost identically to countless bot posts I have seen since johannesburg! It has been vomit inducing to watch the patronising 5* experience/big cheques and shopping malls, juxtaposed with lets go cuddle some poor little african children, and feel so #blessed #sohumble etc....

Ugh!

BSintolerant · 01/05/2016 10:00

lastuser - what a fantastic video.

Good to have recorded proof that Forever Living bots are told not to make false medical claims in public, but they can make all the false medical claims in the world in private.

What would Sexy Rexy and the family think if he knew that was being said behind closed doors? Wink

Spongebobette · 01/05/2016 10:01

Wonderful post Throwing

BSintolerant · 01/05/2016 10:03

power Excellent post. Barbie Savior hits the nail on the head - when charity becomes all about ego.

NorbertDentressangle · 01/05/2016 10:16

wow power that BBC link could be based on so many fb posts that appeared from South Africa recently.

Great Timeless Vie post too

Woodenmouse · 01/05/2016 10:18

A while back a friend talked me into trying her herbalife stuff. I tried it for a while and it did nothing for me so I wanted to stop. She was very good at convincing me to keep going. I then found out I was expecting. A quick Google search told me that the products contained far too much vitamin A and shouldn't be taken during pregnancy. I told my friendi would be stopping (for the vit A reason and because I felt a healthy balanced diet of actual food was better for me and baby). She spent ages trying to convince me that the products were safe for me and baby. I was really hurt that she was willing to risk my baby's health/life just to make money. I now have a healthy ds2 and I would never use those products again.

cozietoesie · 01/05/2016 10:49

...actual food...?

Now there's a radical concept. Wink

HopefulHamster · 01/05/2016 10:51

The bot I went to school with asked me about FL over five years ago when I was on mat leave with my son, so she's been doing it a while. Must be highish up by now right?

In fact... I have stopped her appearing on my main FB feed, but I just checked and she got a six-figure cheque in SA. Does that mean she's one of the top bots? She got a five-figure cheque in August too. I'm sure this has been asked above but is this money what they have earned or is it a bonus on top?

Under her cheque pic there's lots of people asking how to find out more. Depressing. I'm sure she is doing well, but only because she was in so early.

Woodenmouse · 01/05/2016 10:53

cozie - actual food is much more satisfying!!

HopefulHamster · 01/05/2016 10:54

Made a mistake, her last cheque was a year ago not six months.

RaeSkywalker · 01/05/2016 10:57

Wooden that is flipping awful Flowers

Seenthelight21 · 01/05/2016 11:10

Botfan I didn't succeed in network marketing and I am far from vulnerable!!!!!

I attended EVERYTHING!!!! I did everything I was told ..I made it to manager and car plan and then my team stopped! so I re recruited and they left and I re recruited and they struggled and left too
Flogging a dead horse comes to mind!!!

In the end I got fed up of recruiting people sick of the tedious 'cycle'
Abd bullying from uplines ! My team were struggling to retail and recruit because it's SATURATED!!!
It did not work for me and I have realised not because of me!!!!!!!

Toobusytowee · 01/05/2016 11:42

We are not saying all people who enter an MLMS are vulnerable, just that they are targeted and they are ideal bot material.

The vulnerable people we are talking about are pregnant or just given birth and not wanting to go back to work. They are disabled or caring for a relative so unable to try conventional work. They are people in jobs who can't make ends meet and are desperate for more money. They are people who have just moved to a new town and are feeling lonely and isolated, in need of friends. They are recently bereaved with a gap in their lives and a potential inheritance. They are working in a job they hate and need to get out. They have small children and want to be at home with them more. They have debts that they need to pay off or they need money for a house or wedding or other big thing. They are people whose lives are in flux and uncertainty.

People who are satisfied in their lives, earning enough money, confident, have good job satisfaction, good support from relationships and a good work/life balance will not be interested in MLMs. They have the luxury of being able to assess the schemes for what they are and have a low tolerance for nonsense. Someone in a weaker position may be more willing to take a chance, despite initial misgivings.

Seenthelight21 · 01/05/2016 11:50

In that case then maybe I was a bit vulnerable as I had just had a baby and I was off on maternity leave when I started as I didn't want to leave my daughter ......