MLM Bot Watch 12 - Chat about the tragicomical cultic racket of MLMs Forever Living, Younique, Jamberry, It works, (insert name of Utah MLM here) with posts by Eyes & jokes & desperate Bots

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Desperate spin tactics by Bots, who don't answer questions (keep your expectations low huns xo xo)

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Good question, notmonkeys. It would be interesting to find out. I saw a bot's post last night with her dog next to some FLP spray which was labelled "vetenary solution" or some such rubbish.

Does anyone know the password?

Be patient young burgerbob - the force is strong with you

.... The post needs to be okayed by the brave person who has given the information - will be live soon

Ahhhh.
I have a little bot story while we wait.

I'm getting married very soon, and the other day a woman that dp worked with six years ago (when we first got together) sent me a private message on Facebook. I had never even heard about her before. She congratulated me on the wedding, said her and dp used to work together, she really liked him, I was lucky, she said.

Tbh it rang alarm bells because who does that? Who messages the partner of someone they worked with years ago? I wouldn't do that. I asked dp and he was as confused as I was. We wrote it off as her being a bit batshit.

Then she messaged me again. Saying things like "I can't believe our boys are nearly 3" etc. Our boys? Eh? I know NOTHING about this woman! I looked on her profile and the penny dropped. She's as bot as bots can be. Full metal bot. Botted to the fucking eyeballs.

She had me worried for a sec!

And then she steered the convo round to working from home. I stopped replying.

It's frightening isn't it burger This is why you should hide your friends list and get your dp to do the same. She's obviously going through the friends list now as she's gone through her warm list.

In a way it's good that people know I was in mlm before. I don't get approached by other companies. Although I did have one person friend request me that I didn't know ages a go. Quick look of her profile and she was with Forever.

Burgerbob, crafty mare. Very devious, good job more and more of us are aware of them now.

Nothing to add, just commenting to say I love 'full metal bot' hehehehehehe!

Yep, my post was removed the other day (because, silly me, I put the name of the bot on there), but just to reiterate, she did a training at one of the conferences (we downloaded it before she deleted it from Youtube as it was obviously so damning, she talked about profile stalking and making medical claims). It was an excercise in how to prospect people on Facebook. As well as stalking Facebook profiles of people she didn't even know in places she'd never been to, she'd cold prospect at the gym, be all friendly and complimentary, she had a business card that she'd give out. All it said on that card was 'add me on Facebook' and her name. Well if you did, then she would start, liking all your photos, being flattering about your kids, then as her friends commented on your photos too, she'd add them and do the same, even trawling your friends lists if she could
This is why you have to be careful about who you add, what are their motives for adding you? If you're not sure, maybe leave it. And as has been said, friends list set to 'only me' and first sniff of prospecting, block them. A friend saw the Sunday Times article because I posted it up on my Facebook page and then messaged me to say she'd been prospected on facebook, by someone who was a friend of a friend. She has blocked this person now and the friend is going be having stern words with the bot. I think you can also report personal accounts if they are being used for business purposes. Facebook doesn't like this, it goes against their terms. If anyone goes this roite, I'd be interested to know the outcome.

Burgerbobismydad

'She's as bot as bots can be. Full metal bot. Botted to the fucking eyeballs.'

Brilliant image! Shame that wasn't the headline in the recent Sunday Times article, but I think I might be quoting you in my future dealings with our fearless ladies and gentlemen of the press.

Another thing that isn't adding up in my head. The UK saw even more growth in 2015 (£135 million) to 2014 (£75 million+) (this figure is based on retail value not wholesale) They were also no1 in the world of Forever.

So if they did £135 million last year and if every other country is apparently growing why has their total of $2.6 billion dollars not gone up? It's been at that figure since approx 2008 (although they do like to point out that's an annual average so I suppose if one year they dip they can say it's an average and then their graph that states they have always seen growth since they started isn't going down)

All this incredible drive and energy these people have - all going to waste. Makes me rather sad really, when I think what these people could be achieving.

I think the figures are utterly fictional, or only very loosely based on truth ray

Rayofhope, some figures here for FLP finances in the UK. They are worth only about 3million pounds!

www.companycheck.co.uk/company/02269910/FOREVER-LIVING-PRODUCTS-UK-LIMITED/summary

Is the turnover including the business box or only retailing of products? I'd love to know the answer, If it does include it, most the turnover could be new recruits rather than retail to bonafide customers?

I'm again posting this link to Robert FitzPatrick's latest article, in case anyone missed it. Although it might seem a bit difficult to read, it really is the most brilliant rational analysis of the bigger picture, and it has been accepted for publication on the 'Seeking Alpha' investors forum.

In his article, Robert describes so-called 'MLM' as an 'American racket' and he also uses the word 'cult.' Strangely, I got banned from Seeking Alpha for using those, and other, accurate terms. 'Herbalife' Bots and propagandists have infested Seeking Alpha and found a receptive audience amongst the flock of amoral, and greedy, investors who have bought effectively-valueless 'Herbalife' shares.

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.fr/2016/03/robert-fitzpatrick-shows-mlm-growth-is.html

Also take a look at this piece of heavy satire which is linked in Robert's article. It was inspired by Jonathan Swift's, 'A Modest Proposal,' but many people (including 'MLM' Bots) are convinced that it's for real.

www.amazon.com/Defense-Pyramid-Scheme-Lasdwun-Luzes-ebook/dp/B00HYONUVQ

They had a uk turn over of about £59m in 2014. Net profit of £1.5m

Twunk The only big 'MLM' front company to have been officially investigated in the UK, was 'Amway UK Ltd.'

Between 1973 and 2006, this counterfeit 'direct selling' company declared hundreds of millions of pounds of 'sales,' but never once declared a trading profit. As I recall, in the final 8 years of this period, 'Amway UK Ltd.' declared trading losses totalling more than £15 millions. Cash was injected in this insolvent front via another company, 'Amway Europe,' but this 2nd company claimed to have generated its spare cash from dividends on shares it held in 'Amway Korea' ('Amway' has been obliged by law to be registered as a public company in Korea).

This whole 'Amway UK' charade of perpetual 'MLM' growth and stability, was obviously financed, written, produced and directed from the USA. At least one million UK and Irish citizens were churned through 'Amway UK Ltd.' during the 34 years it existed without investigation. It has been estimated that up to $ one billion was removed from this never-ending chain of UK and Irish adherents via the related advance fee fraud (i.e. the sale of publications, recordings, tickets to meetings, etc.)

Someone mentioned about us investigating the women of MLM and generally ignoring the men who often occupy positions of power and control. The more I've thought about this the more I see it to be true. It's as if we're dealing with the issues created by the puppets, and even attempting to cut the strings so those puppets crumple to the floor, all the while ignoring the elephant in the room, the puppet masters. The ones who are making willable/residual and life changing incomes.
It made me think of a quote from the HBO drama The Wire.

Det. Lester Freamon: You follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the fuck it's gonna take you.

I think it's still hugely important to keep flagging up issues at the coalface but we should also start shining light on the people in the shadows. I think it was cubic who talked about all these trainers and gurus telling people to expose their lifestyles to the world whilst keeping their own affairs very private. It's so true.

Twunk If 'FLP UK Ltd.' is ever officicially investigated, I'll guarantee that virtually the identical charade will be revealed. That said, it shoud be the SFO tackling this problem, not trade regulators, because trade regulators cannot make criminal inquiries. 'MLM' rackets have been set up behind labyrinths of legally-registered corporate structure, deliberately to dodge criminal investigation, and isolate their real bosses from liability. It has been a pointless excercise investigating parts of 'MLM' rackets in isolation to the rest.

ambler21 If I were in charge of the SFO, I would make all its officials regularly read the Fraud Act 2006, and I would I would have a big sign over the entrance to the SFO HQ saying *'Follow the money!'

On a local horse group on fb I keep seeing these messages. Hmm, wonder if they are trying to flog aloe gunk for horses now?

JOIN MY EQUESTRIAN TEAM
I'm looking for Horse Mad people who want to earn an additional £250-1,000 per month working from home, individuals/couples who want to do the same. Horse trainers/people involved in the equine world/ veterinary nurses/vets/stable boys & girls who want to increase their profits by promoting our products to existing client base. Recruiters, team leaders, business developers (£2-4k+ pm and car plan, profit share & international travel) or those looking for part time work around family life/commitments (18 & over only). Is this you? Do you know someone that it could be? Please get in touch/put them in touch with me.
For more information please send a friend request (otherwise Facebook won’t let me answer you) and pm me. You need to be 18+. No need to comment below, just contact me directly. Thank you.

Today's #hunspirational offering:

m.facebook.com/Forever-Living-Equine-294538947309833/

Notmymonkeys

Have a little look at Market Authorisations under the Veterinary Medicines Directorate. I seem to recall that the Veterinary Medicines Regulations (VMR) would be applicable.

toobusy that's interesting info on company check

Twunk where did you find the info about turnover being £59 million in 2014? The one to one I was using last year (taken from one of their websites) says a completely different amount (although very clever in not saying the year on it)

Also I've included the post of 2015 figures taken from the success day in Feb.