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Puddytats - A summary of the last 18 months of hell (this will be long and i hope will answer akll questions)

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puddytats · 24/09/2006 20:29

Dear all

I have decided to start a new thread on this and run thro everything from the beginning, if you get to the end then thankyou for reading and well done. If you have any questions please ask, i will answer as fully as I am able considering i do not, and will never know the full facts.

Here goes...

On the 12 May 2005 DD was born. On the 13th June DH returned to work after paternity leave. He got to work as usual at 9.30ish and was met in the lobby by head of HR and immediatly taken into the boardroom. He was told that discrepancies had appearded on a firm he was working on but this was not a disiplinary, simply a meeting to establish facts. DH was shocked and stunned. He was asked variuos questions including whether he knew what was going on. He said he had no idea. He was then suspended on full pay while further investigations took place. He returned home and we tried to piece together what had happened.
Records at work show that a ficticious member was made up on a real client and that DH did work on this client, including the issuing of a cheque. His computer initials were over everything. Work decided that DH was at fault at dismissed his.
As this was taking place the police also knocked on our door. DH was arrested and all paperwork relating to financial records were taken away - including all the work we had done ourselves. It transpired that 3 cheques 'passed' thrioough our bank account - one in joint bank and 2 in dh sole account. DH was adviced to no comment throughout the interview, which he did. Because of this and because one of the cheques was in joint account the police arrested me.
Names on the cheques had been changed after they were signed by the partners at DH work, we know this because there are photocopiers of the cheques before signiture and from the bank after cashing. They had been changed to either our current surname or my maiden name. The police handwriting expert said it was likely to be DH handwriting. A certified copy of our marriage certificate was also provided with the one in my maiden name.
A little of the money was moved round our variuos accounts and the rest was taken out one way or another. It would seem that everything other than the initial paying in and one cheque withdrawel was done over the internet. That money as yet has not been traced.
DH and i were cept on police bail for over a year while they completed their investigations. During this time we were powerless to do anything, I attempted to committ suicide due to the stress and we have reached lows you can not imagine.
After a hellish year i was released without charge. DH was charged on 10 counts. 3 of obtaining property by deception, 3 of fraud (can't remember exact terminology) and 1 of forgery (a letter apparently)
We have already paid over £20,000 in legal fees and if we had decided to fight the case would be looking at at leat £100,000 more including solicitors, Queens counsel, computer experts, forensic accountants, private investigators etc. At the moment DH mother in paying for us to survive - although i have now got a job, and DH father in paying legal fees. We cannot live off others forever.
If we fight it we could lose everything. We have 2 children and a need to keep a roof over their heads, they have been through so much in their very young lives that keeping a familiar home is vitsl to their stability.
We could fight it to the bitter end and have the full support of friends and family who believe us and know we have been set up. Our morals say fight but we have learnt over the past year that justice is not fair, about who is guilty or innocent but who can prove what and who can afford to prove what.
We do not want the children to remember daddy being away, we do not want to be apart at all so are trying to limit damage. We know dh is innocent and now have to ignore justice and look to what affect a lengthy trail could have on the family, the stress, tension cost etc has had to be weighed up against what could be gained or lost. We will win in the end because we have eachother.

If you have got this far then well done and thankyou

OP posts:
MadameMorticiaMills · 04/10/2006 14:00

In my limited experience of prosecution, one of the first things the defence would do is ask for disclosure i.e. all the documents the prosecution have.

There were obviously documents that the defence couldn't have, things that implicated 3rd parties and contravened the Human Rights Act, but certainly things like bank statement, certificated were given over.

thankyoupoppet · 04/10/2006 14:10

I really hope you find a last bit of fight in you PT,
I know you said you have made your decision, but you have over a week, couldn't you just go through the motions and see what you could come up with to plead not-guilty?

seek advice from mp?
get more legal advice?
use MN as a rescorce?

There are lots of people who would help on here...

just to see? If by next Friday you are still not sure you can still plead guilty, but searching down all avenues again, even at the last minute, has got to worth a shot?

thankyoupoppet · 04/10/2006 17:01

I really hope she hasn't gone from here

curlysmum · 04/10/2006 17:46

I hope she has'nt either but do remember its her husbands decision at the end of the day and we just don't know what influence Puddytats has or can have on his decision.

maggiesmama · 04/10/2006 18:29

it seems like there really is nothing anyone can do if pt and her husband are absolutely fixed on their path. i just wish they would take advantage of all of these people herw who have relevant experience. this is just awful.

maggiesmama · 04/10/2006 18:29

it seems like there really is nothing anyone can do if pt and her husband are absolutely fixed on their path. i just wish they would take advantage of all of these people herw who have relevant experience. this is just awful.

puddytats · 04/10/2006 19:14

I have not gone, just not always have access to a computer.
We have a meeting on friday in London with our QC, I am going to print out this thread and take it with us.
If it all seems bleak after that then no more discussion.
I really do read, absorb and appreciate everything everyone says on here, I know some people feel that we are ignoring advice - we are not. We have so much coming to us from so many angles, we can't sometimes see the wood from the trees.
Thankyou everyone for showing an interest and all the advice and thoughts that have been given

OP posts:
Mercy · 04/10/2006 19:37

Best wishes puddytats.

Mumsnet will still be here for you whatever happens. Please keep in touch.

bubbles4 · 05/10/2006 07:14

BEST OF LUCK ON FRIDAY, I WILL BE THINKING OF YOU.

ScreamandYellowFeathers · 05/10/2006 07:22

Well I'm still thinking of you PT and wish you all the best

zippitippitoes · 05/10/2006 08:41

I hope the meeting goes well.

Take courage from our support.

moaningpaper · 05/10/2006 09:06

Hope your meeting goes well puddytats.

My wages were two weeks late a few months ago and NatWest rang me to find out why!!!!! Most banks seem to chase up any discrepancies. I'm surprised that your bank doesn't. It would be a bank well worth avoiding IMO.

Marina · 05/10/2006 10:01

I hope your meeting goes well Puddytats. I do worry that at some level you have been poorly advised by the professionals handling your case. Please take seriously what people have said here about the long-term, possibly permanent effects of a guilty plea. Best of luck.

Blu · 05/10/2006 13:18

Puddytats - I remember when you firt posted about this, you said another person had been suspended from DH's workplace in connection with the same business. Was that ever resolved?

curlysmum · 05/10/2006 14:58

I remember that too Blu, maybe Puddytats DH knows who did it and is protecting them maybe more than one employee was involved along with a person working in the bank if its a branch the company uses often .
I was speaking to someone last night about it who is a bank Manager and they said maybe this has gone on for a while and there are more transactions that have gone un-noticed, it could be part of a bigger thing between a few people and he has been left to carry the can, so to speak, and this is why he is insisting on pleading guilty which would then protect the others and anymore coming out. My gut feeling is that this is probably the case .
I really hope everything works out for you personally Puddytats , think of yourself and the children.

PhantomCAM · 05/10/2006 15:30

The defence would have been able to see everything that the prosecution is intending to use in court, no court will allow one side to be "ambushed".

Plus any documents that the defence know exist cannot remain undisclosed before the trial.

My feeling about this, sorry pt, is that your dh's saying he's going to plead gulity is his way of telling you that he is guilty.

zippitippitoes · 05/10/2006 15:32

Probably one thing you can take away from this discussion PT, is that if he pleads guilty 99% of people you know and meet will believe he is guilty.

stleger · 05/10/2006 16:05

Good luck with your QC, I hope that willhelp you decide what to do. Whatever is going on is complex, take care of each other.

Judy1234 · 05/10/2006 23:17

Yes, do take the thread to show the QC - may be copy and email it to him in advance because there are a lot of interesting points on it. Good luck. Ask if he pleads guilty when he isn't what consequences there are and also about civil recovery of your property/house etc if he pleads guilty and the difference in sentence length and consequences for life/ career of a guilty plea.

SueW · 06/10/2006 20:03

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at OP's request.

charlieandlola · 06/10/2006 20:17

Hope you are ok after today PT

drosophila · 06/10/2006 20:23

I think some of our more legally minded people should do a summary of what she needs to ask/demand.

Anyone with a good handle on this? I lose track and forget bits.

zippitippitoes · 07/10/2006 08:59

I hope yesterday's meeting was productive for you puddytats.

jambuttie · 07/10/2006 19:05

how's things puddytats?

maggiesmama · 09/10/2006 13:37

does anyone know if PT is ok?