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AND now he wants half my house...... where will it stop??

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Toothache · 15/08/2006 20:50

Got a letter from H's Solicitor.... he was half the profit on the house and a list of the assets.

He still hasn't paid me a penny.... CSA are officially USELESS! And he's not returned the car.

The AA membership and Insurance Direct Debits have been cancelled.

I've got an appointment with the Solicitor tomorrow.... I just want to curl up and go to sleep and to wake up when its all sorted out.

Feels like a losing battle. I pay for everything, I clothe him, buy a house, a car, pay all the bills whilst he ponced about on £11k...... and now he wants £25k and to see the kids for 5 hours on MOST Sundays (sometimes it won't be convenient for him)

Don't even have the energy to type an angry emoticon.

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 15/08/2006 20:53

OH toothy

Im sure your solicitor will see you right but it must be so so stressful for you...

Toothache · 15/08/2006 20:54

He's scum

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edam · 15/08/2006 20:54

Oh Lord Toothache, some men make me see red. What a tosser. 'Most' Sundays, huh?

Think some solicitors work on the basis of asking for the moon on a stick. They seem to think if they start with a reasonable offer, it will get bartered down, so hey, let's go in with something mad and we may end up with something hugely in our favour.

proudofmyboobs · 15/08/2006 20:56

The f*ckin ar$ehole!!!!!! Tha gall of the man!! How dare he!! Screw him!! Tell him to sod off! (not that that will help any but might make you feel a bit better) The ar$e!!

Toothache · 15/08/2006 20:59

I'm going to ignore the letter and force his Solicitor to send another. There was no response time stated on the letter.

Then I'm going to request that HE makes a list of the assets and supplies me with it so I can amend it. Why should I put in the effort?? And then I'm going to tell him he can have all the furniture..... nothing is less than 5yrs old or cost anymore than £500 to start with. Its ALL old and clapped out so he's welcome to it. He won't want that, he wants money. That'll really piss him off, plus he'll have to pay a removal firm.

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SecurMummy · 15/08/2006 21:04

Well the best my nearly ex h has come up with so far is that he is going to take the sofa and the chair - the joys of having nothing to share hey!

Sorry you are going through all this, it is sh** when they get ideas of what you owe them that are so removed from any reality - luckily for me, my situation has led to some laughable proposals (like the sofa!) but you seem to be having it much tougher

BTW, I told him he could take me to court for the Sofa if he cared so much - and see if a judge would award him the only sofa in the family home - which is in any case 3rd hand

mistressmiggins · 15/08/2006 21:06

he cant have HALF if you have the children

my ex said first of all...then he got advice and then he came back saying he would have 30% iwhen DD is 18

he is just trying to wind you up - try not to let him love xxx

Toothache · 15/08/2006 21:08

MM - I hope you're right. Thats not what I've been told previously by my Solicitor.

I'm trying not to let it get to me, but its frightening me.

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mistressmiggins · 15/08/2006 21:14

why is your solicitor sayint that?

I was told that it depends whether you have the children - if you have the chidlren & he just has access, then theres no way they will

a) make you sell the house
b) give him half

seriously if your solicitor says you hace to give him half, I wopuld consider changing solicitors

dizietsma · 15/08/2006 21:28

So sorry to hear about your tough time.

Solicitors are all about intimidation, divorce lawyers doubly so. My father and stepmother are both lawyers and scared the hell out of my mum during the divorce.

My mum didn't understand the system and knew she was up against bad odds, her heart had been broken and they were out for blood. On top of all this my stepmother's dad was a mason and he'd got my mum's lawyers working against her surreptitiously. She told me that there came a point when she suddenly realised that she didn't deserve this horrible intimidation. She got a couple of her friends to help her out when she had deal with the scary solicitors and fought her corner.

You can do it too. If your solicitor isn't willing to fight hard on your behalf, fire them start looking for one who will. Most importantly, make sure you get emotional support from those people who love you, you need it right now.

(((Huggles)))

zookeeper · 16/08/2006 14:41

That is so unfair dizietzma -I'm a divorce lawyer and so sick of the general public perception that we are a bunch of arrogant overpaid troublemaking tossers out to screw people. I wouldn't know a mason if he hit me on the face.

Divorce law is very simple and any good divorce lawyer would do his/her best to calm things down between the parties.

Basically, there are no hard or fast rules for dividing up the assets of a mrriage; lawyers try to settle matters by considering what a judge would be likely to decide if the husband and wife couldn't settle and had to go to court to get a settlement. Most divorces never go anywhere near a court; they are settled by correspondence between solicitors.

The interests of any children are the first consideration but judges are also by law obliged to consider a whole load of things such as the length of the marriage, the ages of the husband and wife, the contributions to the marriage(the wife's contribution in staying at home and looking after the kids enabling the husband to go out and earn a largeincome/pension are taken fully in to acount) inheritance prospects, etc etc etc.

The solicitors add up the value of all of the assets of the marriage, deduct the debts (provided that they are family debts and not, say, hubby's bill for new sports car he bought after you split) and that is the starting point for negotiations.

The starting point only is a 50/50 split with these factors changing it upwards or downwards.

The classic situation is where the wife is left in the family home with the children. If there is enough equity in the house to enable both husband and wife to buy somewhere new each then great but normally this is not the case and hubby has to agree to wait for his share to be released from the house by selling when the youngest child reaches 18 or 21 or if the wife dies or cohabits.

the beauty of the system(if that is the right word) is that it's no good telling your solicitor to make a ridiculous offer because any competent divorce lawyer will have a very good idea of what a judge would consider reasonable. If you make stupid offers and so force the other side to take you to court then the judge may well order you to pay the other side's costs.

anyway, I didn't want to barge in but I am sick of the same old rubbish being trotted out. I don't know any bent lawyers - we wouldn't risk our jobs after all the training and debt over one divorce. I became a lawyer to help people and I work bloody hard. It is very streessful as we are trying to help people who are at their wits' end and getting advice from everyone they know.

I should add that I earn less than my sisters, who are both nurses! Check out legal aid lawyers rates for the provinces if you don't believe me! We're not all fat cats!

toothache, I don't know anything about your story but i do know that the worst part of any divorce/separation is the beginning when you don't know what on earth you are doing or what your rights are and everyone is chipping in with their bit of advice. Take a friend with you when you see your solicitor or a pen and paper with a list of questions, so that when you leave you don't think "what was all that about?. That will help enormously. Also try to concentrate on the main isuues as at the end of the day - even if your ex is a complete prat he is still your kids' dad and you will have to have some sort of ongoing relationship with him for their sake(easier said than done, I know). I really hope that things will get better for you soon - I'm sure they will..loads of my client end up looking 10 years younger and sooooooooooo much happier.

Bugsy2 · 16/08/2006 15:06

I had a very good lawyer during my divorce & I was offered very sound advice. As far as I understand it, the priority of a court is to ensure that the children & primary carer are housed as well as the joint pot of money will allow.
If the other parent is going to have the children to stay on a regular basis there is some requirement for that parent to be suitably housed also.
In your case Toothy, it sounds as though your ex-H will not be having the kids to stay over night, therefore I doubt his re-housing will be such a significant priority.
If you can, ask your solicitor to look into a FDR (financial dispute resolution). This is a very straightforward proceedure that can be worked through in a relatively good timescale. Both of you will have to declare your assets, which then means that your ex-H will have to come clean.
I am not a lawyer, but I hope some of what I've said may help. Please get good advice - it is crucial.

dizietsma · 16/08/2006 15:08

You're right, zookeper, I'm totally biased and that was an unfair generalisation, but you've gotta admit I've got good reason to be. This all took place twenty years ago in Scotland, (I'm assuming here that you aren't a Scots lawyer) and I suspect the legal landscape has changed quite a lot since then. That said, you'd probably be quite surprised at the number of masons in your profession. At least, my father and stepmother would gossip about it in front of me all the time and it sounded like the place was riddled with them.

I'm sure you're not a mason, zookeeper, but then I'm assuming you're female so I don't imagine your colleagues in the masons flaunt it in front of you or invite you to their silly little get-togethers.

Anyway, the whole point of my post is that sometimes it is possible that lawyers wont work in your best interests or they might not be too bothered to work hard, and if you don't like what you're hearing you should ask about and make sure you're getting sound advice. You'd do the same for a plumber and I don't see any reason why you shouldn't with a lawyer. Particularly considering the money you're shelling out and what's at stake.

People are often intimidated by lawyers and feel quite powerless when faced with such a complex system during a time of great personal stress and as a result I think some lawyers, not all, can bamboozle their clients into passivity.

I wasn't trying to scare toothache about the masons and lawyers, more reassure her that even when the odds are hideous and it all seems too much to bear you can get through it all and don't take any crap from anyone!

zookeeper · 16/08/2006 15:34

ok Diz, divorce law has changed loads in the last few years and for the better, although I know sod all about Scottish law. There are a lot of old school lawyers around but they are (literally) a dying breed.

Bugsy, the fdr is a mini court hearing which comes after you start court proceedings - people only usually start those process if they think their other half is being unreasonable or has not not disclosed his finances. As part of those proceedings, the court will order him to disclose his full financial position and if he doesn't he will be in trouble. It would be a bit heavy handed to start that at this stage.

Bugsy2 · 16/08/2006 15:40

Aha, thanks Zookeeper. I thought it was a fab process though. Really cut to the chase & put an end to my ex-H's machinations.

zookeeper · 16/08/2006 15:43

it is fab - no more swapping statement full of accusations and counteraccusations, no more blame, just financial settlement. It's a great system

oliveoil · 16/08/2006 15:44

oh toothy fgs, I haven't seen you around much and was about to do a search on you to see what was up

what a twonk he is

how are your children dealing with all this crap? I would find it vvvvvvv hard to be impartial I must say, even though you must, it would stick in my throat.

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jellyjelly · 16/08/2006 20:32

havent read the rest of the posts but my x wants 25k so i can understand where you are coming from

TrollWithSoreTeeth · 16/08/2006 20:50

Thanks everyone!

Saw my Solicitor today. I was feeling down yesterday and not my usual strong, bloody-minded self... but by the time I arrived at the Solicitors the bitch was back!

I stated that I didn't even want to respond to the letter.... he agreed, but said the best thing to do would be to say that we not enter into ANY negotiations regarding finances until maintenance is paid and he starts paying for the car he has in his possession that I'M paying for.
I got a lot off my chest and my Solicitor calmed me down. He then said "right... its been a long day and your husband is just pissing me off now, here's what I'm going to do"
And he dictated a WONDERFUL and calm, non-inflammatory but clear letter.

Looking forward to the response.

The good thing is that as the house is solely in my name he is only entitled to half the equity at the time of separation. Any value it accrues from June 06 onwards is mine. So if I can draaaaaaag the house bit out for years then his profit just devalues.

As for access.... he isn't making ANY effort and that is contradictory to the letter his Solicitor sent. He's visibly making no effort. I contacted Family Mediation Service to help with allowing him access whilst his bail conditions stand and I got a letter from them today saying that he had not responded to their 2 letters, so he was clearly not willing. My Solicitor will get a copy of that, and so will his.

The kids are fine OO. Ds talks about Daddy occasionally, but after he saw him last (8 days ago for 40mins at my parents house when he popped in on his lunch hour!!!) he just stated that he didn't want to see Daddy anymore and has been fine since. Dd is too young thankfully.

Thanks for all the advice, I will keep you posted.... Please keep the advice coming.

TrollWithSoreTeeth · 16/08/2006 20:51

ooops still using last nights silly posting name!

PanicPants · 16/08/2006 20:56

I went through this with my xdh, although luckily we didn't have children together.

In the end I had to pay him half the equity in the house despite it being in my name AND I had had it before we got married AND I paid every mortgage payment

So I sympathise with you.

It took me over a year to finalise it and at the end the relief is enormous so keep your chin up x

Toothache · 16/08/2006 21:00

Panicpants - the law is shite isn't it!? I'm on your behalf!

H will get money from me over my dead body.... I would rather pay it all to Solicitors.

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PanicPants · 16/08/2006 21:10

It was a complete farce. My solicitor said he was also entitled to all my savings - even those I'd had before I met him (not that theres very much) so I stopped all my standing orders, and bought a car with them so he couldn't get hold of the actual money.

All because I'd married him.

jellyjelly · 16/08/2006 21:17

well done pp what a way to piss on his parade.

spangles · 16/08/2006 21:37

Toothache... I have read this thread but not any others so I dont know what has gone on between you and your H but I hope it gets sorted without it costing you a fortune. Zookeeper sounds like someone you need to stay in contact with