Fourth miscarriage

[amelied]

Hi - Im on for some advice please?

Had a second scan this morning to confirm last week's scan that I have had my fourth miscarriage. My history is im 40 - 41 at the end of the month, trying for four years for #1. Have had recurrent miscarriage tests after my second miscarriage and on paper there is nothing wrong with myself or DH.

#1 miscarriage - started spotting at 6+4 weeks. Natural miscarriage
#2 miscarriage - mmc - found at 7 week scan and confirmed at 9 week scan - D&C.
#3 miscarriage - scan at 8 weeks, could see a slight heartbeat but sizing not right, natural miscarriage at 9 weeks.

Last week's scan was at 7+4 weeks - no heartbeat found and measurements were for six weeks. No spotting or pain - Probable D&C this week.

I have gone as far as I could with NHS finishing off with six months of Clomid and a hysterocopy. Had an appointment with private fertility clinic when I found out I was pregnant with #4 pregnancy. We were thrilled and the consultant started me off with Clexane, Predosoline and baby asprin. I think injecting myself gave me a pro-active opinion and we felt we had hope this time.

If you have got through this far - thank you!

My question is I dont seem to get past the six weeks mark. Has anyone else had this situation and gone onto have a full term pregnancy? Have you been given any other medication to help you through the 12 weeks mark? Or is there a name for this problem I
seem to have?

I have a follow up appointment on the 24th of this month and would like to be armed with questions.

Many thanks for all your advice in advance.

ahh ameli dont you feel like you have achieved SO much though getting through all that little lot! Well done you.

I have to say that i absolutely agree 100% with your very wise mum. Only becuase you have desribed my life over the last 4 years!
last April i had mc number 4, from then i stopped charting, ate (far too much) and had a drink.
I planned to "start again" with the whole charting dates, eating sensibly etc when i start the Clomid in january.

So when i became pregnant in September i was so surprised!
I could not have been pregnant as i had not followed the regime......how on earth could that have happened!

I think that there is allot to be said about just swithching it all of and having a proper coffee break from it all for a month or two. Just be your old self, do what makes you happy, what makes you feel warm and smile inside. ttc somehow makes that smile turn into a fixed frown inside.

We are off to Florida in July, i have today been looking at the various websites for the attractions there, oh my GOD i cant wait for it. Its like a present to ourselves.

You have done all the right stuff today.
Now relax and get the old you back for a month.
Love sunny x

Hello ladies

I am very sorry for all your losses. To make myself feel better, I have done a list which I would like to share with you. It is not meant to offend anyone, over the long term the one thing we all want is a little bean, but this is just for today

Pros about not being pregnant

1. No need to keep checking my knickers or boobs
2. I can drink alchohol, tea and as much coffee as I like
3. I can eat sushi again and have my eggs sunny side up
4. I can go skiing this year
5. I can go back to pilates and dancing classes
6. I have energy to stay up late rather than falling asleep at my desk after lunch
7. Not panic if I forget to take my folic acid
8. Not paranoid about doing the 'deed'

I hope this cheers you up somewhat

xx

Ola,

Sunburntats Florida - Im soooo envious, that sounds fab! and something to look forward too. Yep, my dear ol'mum is wise and was prpbably the "talk" I needed to hear to bring me out of this fog I have been living in. Re the Clomid - will have a chat later about this, just wee recommendations I was given on here about it.

LunaticFringe you are so right, and will be working on your principle... thank you x

NorthLondonChocLover Loving your reverse psychology AND have adopted one off your list - had a HUGE Morgans and coke in the bath there ...

Hello ladies
AmelieD - sometimes mums are so wise. your post made me cry a bit, I know what you mean. Try as you might to live 'normally' it;s constantly there, buzzing away in the background, so your steps towards seizing back LIFE are very positive. Plus, being organised for Xmas 2010 because you will be so heavily PG is a good positive visualisation - don't diss it, see it and believe it and it can be so. I went to see a bonkers woman in the first few weeks of my successful pregnancy who did positive affirmations and visualisations - I had to stand in front of the mirror and imagine a warm glow in my belly and all sorts. MORTIFYING but something went right that time. Any god will do as my Mum says.
NorthLondon - looking in my cupboard I am ttaking the following:-

1. Zita West pregnancy plan tablest (1 a day)
2. Solgar Magnesium Citrate 200mg (1 a day)
3. Vitamin B6 100mg (1 a day)
4. Vitamin B12 500 ug (1 a day)
5. CoEnzyme Q-10 120mg (1 a day)

I am not 100% confident that I am taking the right quantiies and sometimes I am hopeless and forget for a day. I am having acupuncture once a week and also rubbing my fertility balls my sister in law gave me (oo err). Now I am going to exceed my recommended daily units ad have a large glass of wine, watch Dancing on Ice and maybe even do the deed just for fun!

I know this is a bit late but thought id share my story with you.
I have had 5 m/c's now.
First was when i was 18 was 6 wks pg
second was 19 and 7 weeks pg
third was 21 and 6 weeks pg
DD was 4th pregnancy and is now 4
forth m/c was at 27 and 6 weeks pg
fifth was in july and was 10 weeks pg

and now im pregnant with TWINS yay. Im only 7 weeks but hoping its gonna be ok. Had a scan and both babies are the right size and both have good hearbeats.

Hope it all works out for you x

Sorry for your losses. It could just be age / egg or sperm quality (apparently the man's age makes a difference too), though doubt that will make you feel better, sorry. Were they able to do "karyotyping" tests on the baby for any of the pregnancies?

I am on progesterone from 3 days after ovulation and low-dose heparin from positive pregnancy test after 4 miscarriages, am just pregnant for 5th time and have a six-week scan coming up, am terrified.

Re. progesterone there is a big clinical trial here in England, the PROMISE trial, run by St Mary's (where I'm being seen), but with participating hospitals all over the country. Info on the Miscarriage Association website. If your doctor is willing to prescribe the steroids and heparin, seems odd that s/he won't prescribe progesterone, which has fewer side-effects.

I'm interested in the NKC trial in Liverpool but the criteria for the trial are quite tight (I don't meet them, as have an identified problem with my ovaries, though my specialist says that may or may not be the main cause of the mcs, argh!), and there is nowhere else doing the womb biopsies. I am dubious about the "chicago" NKC blood tests.

Hi Dozer - I am sorry for your for your losses too. And congrats on your pregnancy.
You are following all the medical advice/medication that the doctors have gave you so hopeully your will be given a break this time - fingers crossed for you x

Was there a reason why they gave you progesterone? This is what Im curious about.
Is it an age thing or something that the body lacks?

Im not sure about the karyotyping to be honest - I know after my second mmc I was given the recuurent miscarriage tests which came back normal - I dont know if karotyping was involved in this. Maybe I should ask.

I hope your scan goes well for you, when is it happening?

Take care x

Hi All, Went to gynae appointment today and they basically told me not to take the Clomid.
Instead they are sending more bloods for "phosolipidemia" or some such thing.
Sticky blood i think, once again i feel fobbed off.

They said to continue trying to concieve, get to EPAU as soon as i get a BFP and they will give me hormone injections, maybe heparin and asprin (dependant on blood results)
Although hormone suppliments are not proven to reduce the incidence of mc,it will be worth a shot. Out of desperation really.

The doctor went on and on and on and ON about abnormalities becasue of my age

So the bding has commenced in earnest, i am remaining very calm and laid back, truth be known, i really dont think that it will happen for me now, i think that i have very little chance of having another baby. Kind of feel it in my waters iyswim. But will just not do anything to prevent it.
Good luck to every one x

Just a wee date on me...

Had my miscarriage follow up appointment this afternoon and it completely threw me.

Tests from ERPC came back and there was no chromosome issues and the Consultant asked me if I wanted to know what the baby was? I was only 8 weeks but didnt know they ould tell so early.

Up until now I had been coping ok, some tears privately, but to others doing ok.

She told me my baby was a girl and now I am a complete blubbing mess - that I would have had a daughter. Out of my four miscarriages this is the only one I know the sex of.

Sorry, dont expect any replies just wanted to get off my chest.

aww amelie how sad

whilst i had a 'feeling' with each of my 4 mc that i knew whether boy or girl, actually knowing must be so hard.

did you get anything else from your appt?

Hi mumatron

It was just a follow up to the miscarriage.
I have moved onto a private clinic and due to start IVF next month. The hospital can do no more for me due to my age.

Know it was a girl has made it feel more real if that makes any sense?

x

of course it makes sense.

i am looking at ivf/icsi too. im only 27 and already have 2 dc but my consultant seems to think my mc are down to issues with dp's sperm.

not convinced myself and am looking at getting second opinion before starting any treatment. its just so expensive.

LunaticFringe that is a lovely story - your friend must be over the moon with her DS

I read on twitter of all places, a lovely quote from some spiritual life-coach type person and it just caught my attention.

^Remember God's delays are not God's denials

or even...

Remember God's delays are not God's denials

What happended to the italics?? I give up!!

roll on march for your IVF OP x what date in march (ps - sorry for jumping in)
xx

Hi kt1xx

Have the consents next Tuesday then AF (all being well) is du around the 14th so I dont know if I will start the drugs then - it maybe be dependant if Im in a queue or not?

Are you in the same situation??
x

no hun been reading your story ...just want to offer u some support and luck xx

Hi amelied. I am so sorry to hear your story. It absolutely makes sense that to know it was a little girl makes it more immediate and real. I had no idea that they cld know at 8 weeks and not sure it's the best bedside manner to tell you but that said, you are right to grieve and have a proper cry. It sucks and it's sh&t. I saw a lovely gynae after m/c 3 who said, very simply and beautifully I thought, that life is a see saw and I had been at the bottom for a while but I would bounce to the top again as that's how it goes. It's about time your see saw bounced up I reckon....

xxkt1xx - Thank you xxx

MegMum25 I hope so too, thank you for your lovely words xxx

I was about to echo Dozer and mention the promise trial which is being run by Dr Raj Rai and if it gets positive results it's going to be so fundamental to many women who have unexplained m/c. I had DS with no problems followed by 4 m/c over a year. Every consultant I went to refused to prescribe me progesterone until I literally searched the country to find someone who would and lo and behold my beautiful DD was born. 3 years later I m/c again on a non progesterone cycle with an unplanned pregnancy but then decided that we wanted #3. 3 months later I was pg again and my wonderful GP prescribed me the progesterone with no questions asked and I'm now 34 weeks pregnant.

Progesterone is very helpful where you are ovulating but for some reason the corpus luterum is not sustaining the pregnancy until the placenta takes over. Often this can be as a result of a non viable pregnancy but in many cases it also causes the demise of what would otherwise be a viable pregnancy and hopefully this PROMISE trial will show that.

Hi fiveweeksandcounting

Your story is fantastic, as I said on an earlier postI have tow friends in Ireland and one in the US and after recurrent miscarriage each of them were given progesterone and all went onto have live births.

Each time I asked gp and fertility consultant they would pull faces and give the "in the UK it is not proven" speech.

Anyway have beaten down my new consultant and he has it on my notes that the next pregnancy(please) will be on it for 12 weeks.

Take care fiveweeksandcounting not long to go xx

its monday amelied...just today and then one more sleep xxx good luck