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4th missed miscarriage?

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ttcworriedmum93 · 18/04/2025 16:15

Hi all, firstly I’m sorry for the long post I am really hoping someone can help shed some light or meet anyone who has been in a similar situation.

I have had 3 missed miscarriages (2 in the last yaar) and am currently 4 weeks pregnant but not holding out much hope.

we have been ttc for 2.5 years. We have had 3 missed miscarriages presenting with the exact same story every time. Everything fine tests progressing, bar a bit of spotting here and there and a (dry stuck like sensation up there?!) and a lack of normal pregnancy symptoms each time. We get to the 6 week scan and there is nothing there, no usual sac no yolk and certainly no baby. Each time has shown a very mishapen sac or the last time just a thickened uterine lining. It is baffling everyone. I might add my levels are 15’000-19’000 hcg by this point and still rising. They were so concerned about the lack of anything and the high levels last time they did the ectopic surgery but it turned out to be nothing there. All 3 have ended in SMOM surgery as they don’t come away by themselves and my body still goes on as if it’s pregnant. I am just expecting the exact same thing to happen again in 2 weeks when we go for a scan just to be told ‘sorry we can’t see anything’ and I am so disheartened and frustrated.

I have been under the reccurent miscarriage clinic (NHS) they have sent the tissue off (the last 2 times) which has come back with no genetic abnormality, the last time nothing came back (was only November and think it takes a good few months?) I have had every blood test going both nhs and with a private clinic I.e lupus anticoagulant, thoromphollia, karotyping, thyroid etc all back normal. I have had a private scan - all normal and amh blood test which was also normal. I’m at the point I want them to spot something off so we can fix it. The only other query was with the GP a couple of years ago when I was (and still do) get quite classic endometriosis symptoms (heavy periods, dragging pain from belly button etc etc but decided not to take this further due to the tests being invasive when ttc.

the last pregnancy (in November) I was given high dose folic acid and progesterone to start when I fell pregnant, it didn’t help and ended in the same result. I must add I was diagnosed last year with sarcoidosis (which is an auto immune condition) and this time I have been given steroids (predisolone 25mg) to take daily when I fall pregnant as that was the only other idea the consultant had for this time (it could be that I am rejecting the baby with the auto immune condition?). I am also taking baby aspirin (on the advice on the private dr we saw for a consultation) and high dose vitamin d.

I suppose my question is has anyone else suffered anything so peculiar like this? We don’t ever get past the 6 week scan and I am wondering when and whether to give up. I do pray this time is different but with the lack of pregnancy symptoms I’m not so sure, but I am taking the steroids religiously none the less!

just to add I have 2 previous children from an ex husband 11 and 10 years old although sadly first born died when a baby. So I know I can be pregnant and carry pregnancies (albeit a decade ago!) I have my partner of 4 years now and I am worried in some way we are incompatible if that’s even a thing?! His sperm is better than average so we know it isn’t that too. I am 31 and he is 42.

if you have got this far thank you for reading and I really hope someone out there has been in a similar situation and I’m not the only one!!

Many thanks,

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SureLook · 19/04/2025 07:11

Hi OP. I didn't want to read and run. Im very sorry to hear of your losses. I've had one MMC this year. Surgical management and we're TTC again now. I can't even begin to imagine how multiple MMCs feel. Congratulations on your current pregnancy. I'm really praying for a sticky bean for you. There's a lot of women on here who have had multiple losses so hopefully someone can give you some hope x

Objectiontime · 19/04/2025 14:49

ttcworriedmum93 · 18/04/2025 16:15

Hi all, firstly I’m sorry for the long post I am really hoping someone can help shed some light or meet anyone who has been in a similar situation.

I have had 3 missed miscarriages (2 in the last yaar) and am currently 4 weeks pregnant but not holding out much hope.

we have been ttc for 2.5 years. We have had 3 missed miscarriages presenting with the exact same story every time. Everything fine tests progressing, bar a bit of spotting here and there and a (dry stuck like sensation up there?!) and a lack of normal pregnancy symptoms each time. We get to the 6 week scan and there is nothing there, no usual sac no yolk and certainly no baby. Each time has shown a very mishapen sac or the last time just a thickened uterine lining. It is baffling everyone. I might add my levels are 15’000-19’000 hcg by this point and still rising. They were so concerned about the lack of anything and the high levels last time they did the ectopic surgery but it turned out to be nothing there. All 3 have ended in SMOM surgery as they don’t come away by themselves and my body still goes on as if it’s pregnant. I am just expecting the exact same thing to happen again in 2 weeks when we go for a scan just to be told ‘sorry we can’t see anything’ and I am so disheartened and frustrated.

I have been under the reccurent miscarriage clinic (NHS) they have sent the tissue off (the last 2 times) which has come back with no genetic abnormality, the last time nothing came back (was only November and think it takes a good few months?) I have had every blood test going both nhs and with a private clinic I.e lupus anticoagulant, thoromphollia, karotyping, thyroid etc all back normal. I have had a private scan - all normal and amh blood test which was also normal. I’m at the point I want them to spot something off so we can fix it. The only other query was with the GP a couple of years ago when I was (and still do) get quite classic endometriosis symptoms (heavy periods, dragging pain from belly button etc etc but decided not to take this further due to the tests being invasive when ttc.

the last pregnancy (in November) I was given high dose folic acid and progesterone to start when I fell pregnant, it didn’t help and ended in the same result. I must add I was diagnosed last year with sarcoidosis (which is an auto immune condition) and this time I have been given steroids (predisolone 25mg) to take daily when I fall pregnant as that was the only other idea the consultant had for this time (it could be that I am rejecting the baby with the auto immune condition?). I am also taking baby aspirin (on the advice on the private dr we saw for a consultation) and high dose vitamin d.

I suppose my question is has anyone else suffered anything so peculiar like this? We don’t ever get past the 6 week scan and I am wondering when and whether to give up. I do pray this time is different but with the lack of pregnancy symptoms I’m not so sure, but I am taking the steroids religiously none the less!

just to add I have 2 previous children from an ex husband 11 and 10 years old although sadly first born died when a baby. So I know I can be pregnant and carry pregnancies (albeit a decade ago!) I have my partner of 4 years now and I am worried in some way we are incompatible if that’s even a thing?! His sperm is better than average so we know it isn’t that too. I am 31 and he is 42.

if you have got this far thank you for reading and I really hope someone out there has been in a similar situation and I’m not the only one!!

Many thanks,

So sorry you have had to go through this, once is more than enough, but...
As I was reading through your post I was thinking about the possibility of your losses being immune related and I see that you are now on prednisone. I so very much hope that this is the answer for you. I have to take it myself, every month from ovulation until I test negative and I have to be hopeful for my next pregnancy (when it finally happens).
I am really hopeful for you this time. Let us know how you get on x

ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 16:50

Hi @SureLook thank you for your response and sorry to hear of your mmc, I think it’s awful how your body just carries on with mmc!

wishing you all the best with TTC x

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ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 16:54

Hi @Objectiontime thank you for your response. I really hope it’s the answer but this doesn’t really feel any different to the last times, although I’m sure psychologically every little symptom (or lack of in my case) plays a huge part and I just cannot imagine myself with a viable pregnancy now. This is kind of last thing to try until we turn to IVF which we aren’t sure we can really afford (would all be private) at the moment. I have been taking the steroids since my first positive test which was about 3 days before period due. Are you taking my them for an auto immune condition also?
wish you all the best with your ttc journey and I will keep you updated x

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sd8809 · 19/04/2025 17:03

ttcworriedmum93 · 18/04/2025 16:15

Hi all, firstly I’m sorry for the long post I am really hoping someone can help shed some light or meet anyone who has been in a similar situation.

I have had 3 missed miscarriages (2 in the last yaar) and am currently 4 weeks pregnant but not holding out much hope.

we have been ttc for 2.5 years. We have had 3 missed miscarriages presenting with the exact same story every time. Everything fine tests progressing, bar a bit of spotting here and there and a (dry stuck like sensation up there?!) and a lack of normal pregnancy symptoms each time. We get to the 6 week scan and there is nothing there, no usual sac no yolk and certainly no baby. Each time has shown a very mishapen sac or the last time just a thickened uterine lining. It is baffling everyone. I might add my levels are 15’000-19’000 hcg by this point and still rising. They were so concerned about the lack of anything and the high levels last time they did the ectopic surgery but it turned out to be nothing there. All 3 have ended in SMOM surgery as they don’t come away by themselves and my body still goes on as if it’s pregnant. I am just expecting the exact same thing to happen again in 2 weeks when we go for a scan just to be told ‘sorry we can’t see anything’ and I am so disheartened and frustrated.

I have been under the reccurent miscarriage clinic (NHS) they have sent the tissue off (the last 2 times) which has come back with no genetic abnormality, the last time nothing came back (was only November and think it takes a good few months?) I have had every blood test going both nhs and with a private clinic I.e lupus anticoagulant, thoromphollia, karotyping, thyroid etc all back normal. I have had a private scan - all normal and amh blood test which was also normal. I’m at the point I want them to spot something off so we can fix it. The only other query was with the GP a couple of years ago when I was (and still do) get quite classic endometriosis symptoms (heavy periods, dragging pain from belly button etc etc but decided not to take this further due to the tests being invasive when ttc.

the last pregnancy (in November) I was given high dose folic acid and progesterone to start when I fell pregnant, it didn’t help and ended in the same result. I must add I was diagnosed last year with sarcoidosis (which is an auto immune condition) and this time I have been given steroids (predisolone 25mg) to take daily when I fall pregnant as that was the only other idea the consultant had for this time (it could be that I am rejecting the baby with the auto immune condition?). I am also taking baby aspirin (on the advice on the private dr we saw for a consultation) and high dose vitamin d.

I suppose my question is has anyone else suffered anything so peculiar like this? We don’t ever get past the 6 week scan and I am wondering when and whether to give up. I do pray this time is different but with the lack of pregnancy symptoms I’m not so sure, but I am taking the steroids religiously none the less!

just to add I have 2 previous children from an ex husband 11 and 10 years old although sadly first born died when a baby. So I know I can be pregnant and carry pregnancies (albeit a decade ago!) I have my partner of 4 years now and I am worried in some way we are incompatible if that’s even a thing?! His sperm is better than average so we know it isn’t that too. I am 31 and he is 42.

if you have got this far thank you for reading and I really hope someone out there has been in a similar situation and I’m not the only one!!

Many thanks,

Hi I am sorry you have been through this and for your losses. With your history I would be suspicious immune issues are any play and if your on prednisone that should help. I had 4 missed miscarriages last year all around 6-8 weeks ( prior to this had two normal healthy pregnancies) it ended up being my immune system with elevated nk cells. I’m currently almost 13 weeks on first try with immune protocol with the prednisone, two weekly intralipids, clexane and aspirin. Everything this time has been perfect always measuring ahead on scans etc but the worry and fear is intense. I’m weaning steroids now as past 12 weeks but this also worries me but i have been resisted the placenta should be formed and the steroids can stop. Not sure if you had your nk levels tested? Intralipids or IVIG can be added on if these are elevated to help

ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 17:55

Hi @sd8809,
it does seem suspicious that I was diagnosed with an auto immune diesese last year (after 2 mmc and before the 3rd) so I can only hope and pray the steroids are the answer.

really sorry to hear about your mmc’s, we don’t even seem to get to the point of seeing a sac or any type of sign that implantation has occurred - although the hcg blood levels are incredibly high and the digitals say 3+ etc so it’s confusing not only for us but for the drs.

I am so pleased your pregnancy is going well this time and that the meds have worked for you. Onto NK cells the private consultant we saw had no belief these existed and the nhs consultant did mention them however can’t be tested on the NHS… I have heard the steroids are a treatment for them if so anyway so hopefully if it is that I am covering that base.

I was told in December I would need to have the steroids up until 10 weeks (if we ever get that far) and then wean off after. I’ve not heard of the intralipids? Is this something provided on nhs? Even after all these appointments and so much research it all still seems a complete minefield! X

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Objectiontime · 19/04/2025 19:50

ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 16:54

Hi @Objectiontime thank you for your response. I really hope it’s the answer but this doesn’t really feel any different to the last times, although I’m sure psychologically every little symptom (or lack of in my case) plays a huge part and I just cannot imagine myself with a viable pregnancy now. This is kind of last thing to try until we turn to IVF which we aren’t sure we can really afford (would all be private) at the moment. I have been taking the steroids since my first positive test which was about 3 days before period due. Are you taking my them for an auto immune condition also?
wish you all the best with your ttc journey and I will keep you updated x

I get you about the viable pregnancies. Dont worry about symptoms. Firstly, as you know, every pregnancy is different and something to keep in mind, as you move forwards, is that the pred will likely mask most pregnancy symptims particularly sickness.
I have to take the steroids from ovulation partly because I am allergic to some ingredients in intralipids so I cant have them,. I have been diagnosed with high NK cells, hence the steroids. I also have low dose aspirin to take and progesterone from a positive test as a precaution. I do have multiple allergies and celiac disease, which is an autoimmune condition. That said, the celiac disease is under full control so shouldn't realky be z problem in itself x

Objectiontime · 19/04/2025 19:52

sd8809 · 19/04/2025 17:03

Hi I am sorry you have been through this and for your losses. With your history I would be suspicious immune issues are any play and if your on prednisone that should help. I had 4 missed miscarriages last year all around 6-8 weeks ( prior to this had two normal healthy pregnancies) it ended up being my immune system with elevated nk cells. I’m currently almost 13 weeks on first try with immune protocol with the prednisone, two weekly intralipids, clexane and aspirin. Everything this time has been perfect always measuring ahead on scans etc but the worry and fear is intense. I’m weaning steroids now as past 12 weeks but this also worries me but i have been resisted the placenta should be formed and the steroids can stop. Not sure if you had your nk levels tested? Intralipids or IVIG can be added on if these are elevated to help

@sd8809 So sorry that you have had to go through what you have. I am so glad things are going well this time and wish you a happy, healthy pregnancy x

sd8809 · 19/04/2025 19:59

ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 17:55

Hi @sd8809,
it does seem suspicious that I was diagnosed with an auto immune diesese last year (after 2 mmc and before the 3rd) so I can only hope and pray the steroids are the answer.

really sorry to hear about your mmc’s, we don’t even seem to get to the point of seeing a sac or any type of sign that implantation has occurred - although the hcg blood levels are incredibly high and the digitals say 3+ etc so it’s confusing not only for us but for the drs.

I am so pleased your pregnancy is going well this time and that the meds have worked for you. Onto NK cells the private consultant we saw had no belief these existed and the nhs consultant did mention them however can’t be tested on the NHS… I have heard the steroids are a treatment for them if so anyway so hopefully if it is that I am covering that base.

I was told in December I would need to have the steroids up until 10 weeks (if we ever get that far) and then wean off after. I’ve not heard of the intralipids? Is this something provided on nhs? Even after all these appointments and so much research it all still seems a complete minefield! X

Yeah steroids are treatment for nk cells. Yes the nhs don’t do the tests and lots of consultants dont ‘believe’ they can play role in miscarriage but that is nonsense. It’s very overwhelming to begin with but once you get your head around it all there are certain buzzwords etc which keep coming up. You should join the uk reproductive immunology facebook group and you will see the impact our immune system has on pregnancy / miscarriage and the success people have on immune protocols. Dr Hassan Shehata has a great podcast on Apple Podcasts on unexplained fertility and recurrent miscarriage which is worth a listen and explains things really simply. Intralipids are not provided via nhs and are private, I paid about £220 per infusion and had five ( every 2 weeks from positive test until 12 weeks). The nhs need to catch up with research and provide better investigation and treatment for recurrent miscarriage.

ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 20:09

Hi @Objectiontime that’s really helpful to know that the prednisolone can mask symptoms - I’ve never been big on having symptoms or sickness but did feel ‘off’ and have aversions with my successful pregnancy’s over a decade ago - I am almost wishing I did have some lol. I am on low dose aspirin also (75mg) one consultant gave me progesterone and the other has said not to take until we know it’s a viable pregnancy as it can mask the miscarriage or ‘feed’ it if it’s ectopic, it’s so confusing when different specialists have different ideas and beliefs and you don’t know who to listen to!

I have a scan on Wednesday 30th when I’ll be about 5 weeks 5 days I think (but it’s quite hard to tell as cycles aren’t always bang on and sometimes I ovulate a day or 2 later).

it’s been really helpful posting on here and talking to people in a similar situation so I can’t thank you enough and I’ll keep you updated! X

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ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 20:15

Hi @sd8809 it’s crazy how they all have different beliefs isn’t it, like you say it must be nonsense as people like yourself have been tested and diagnosed with it!

I will look at that Facebook group now and join thank you very much for that, it’s been really hard trying to find people in a similar situation so that would be really helpful.

I am on 25mg of prednisolone do you think that’s enough to suppress the immune system without the intralipids (these have never been mentioned to me?) but I guess that’s because the cause of the reccurent miscarriages are still unknown. X

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Objectiontime · 19/04/2025 20:20

sd8809 · 19/04/2025 19:59

Yeah steroids are treatment for nk cells. Yes the nhs don’t do the tests and lots of consultants dont ‘believe’ they can play role in miscarriage but that is nonsense. It’s very overwhelming to begin with but once you get your head around it all there are certain buzzwords etc which keep coming up. You should join the uk reproductive immunology facebook group and you will see the impact our immune system has on pregnancy / miscarriage and the success people have on immune protocols. Dr Hassan Shehata has a great podcast on Apple Podcasts on unexplained fertility and recurrent miscarriage which is worth a listen and explains things really simply. Intralipids are not provided via nhs and are private, I paid about £220 per infusion and had five ( every 2 weeks from positive test until 12 weeks). The nhs need to catch up with research and provide better investigation and treatment for recurrent miscarriage.

100 percent agree with your comments. There are some very eminent NHS consultants in fertility and miscarriage who just dont seem to want to know, despite the evidence, very odd!

Objectiontime · 19/04/2025 20:26

ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 20:09

Hi @Objectiontime that’s really helpful to know that the prednisolone can mask symptoms - I’ve never been big on having symptoms or sickness but did feel ‘off’ and have aversions with my successful pregnancy’s over a decade ago - I am almost wishing I did have some lol. I am on low dose aspirin also (75mg) one consultant gave me progesterone and the other has said not to take until we know it’s a viable pregnancy as it can mask the miscarriage or ‘feed’ it if it’s ectopic, it’s so confusing when different specialists have different ideas and beliefs and you don’t know who to listen to!

I have a scan on Wednesday 30th when I’ll be about 5 weeks 5 days I think (but it’s quite hard to tell as cycles aren’t always bang on and sometimes I ovulate a day or 2 later).

it’s been really helpful posting on here and talking to people in a similar situation so I can’t thank you enough and I’ll keep you updated! X

I thought it was worth mentioning :) . The prednisone should help the progesterone levels I think. I was reading a research paper yesterday where this was mentioned so hopefully this will help. I agree that it could mask miscarriage because if progesterone is high tge body will assume the pregnancy is ongoing. That does worry me a bit for my next pregnancy to be honest. I would rather know sooner than later. You are right about the many differing opinions. Bit of a minefield to be honest!
I hope your scan goes well but dont forget it is very early so dont panic if they cant see a lot. I know that feeling of fear far too well and wouldn't wish it on anyone x

ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 20:41

Thank you @Objectiontime I think I have found out more from ladies in a similar situation than I have from specialists!
I have the progesterone here but am going with the more recent advice of to wait until scan as it didn’t make any difference to me personally last time (I still had a mmc) but I have also read it’s helped loads of ladies have a viable pregnancy. It’s so hard to know what to do!
thank you for your well wishes to be honest I would be pleased to see anything just a normal shaped sac would be further than we’ve gotten previously.
x

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sd8809 · 20/04/2025 11:49

ttcworriedmum93 · 19/04/2025 20:15

Hi @sd8809 it’s crazy how they all have different beliefs isn’t it, like you say it must be nonsense as people like yourself have been tested and diagnosed with it!

I will look at that Facebook group now and join thank you very much for that, it’s been really hard trying to find people in a similar situation so that would be really helpful.

I am on 25mg of prednisolone do you think that’s enough to suppress the immune system without the intralipids (these have never been mentioned to me?) but I guess that’s because the cause of the reccurent miscarriages are still unknown. X

Hi yes 25mg is a good dose I was on 20mg. Do you have clexane?

ttcworriedmum93 · 20/04/2025 12:41

sd8809 · 20/04/2025 11:49

Hi yes 25mg is a good dose I was on 20mg. Do you have clexane?

Hi @sd8809 i don’t, however all my clotting bloods were normal. I am just on the 25mg pred, 75mg aspirin, high dose vitamin d (this was picked up as being low in my respiratory bloods a couple of months ago) and seven seas pregnancy vits. X

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Rainbowchaser87 · 23/04/2025 20:38

@ttcworriedmum93 how are you? I am sorry about ur losses…I had 3 MC too and waiting to get pregnant sometime soon 🙏🏽
@sd8809 si nice to hear ur story! I am with Prof.Shehata too on the complex protocol…feeling quite law lately and reading ur experience it was a joy for my heart.
it is so hard and so painful…

ttcworriedmum93 · 29/04/2025 19:02

Rainbowchaser87 · 23/04/2025 20:38

@ttcworriedmum93 how are you? I am sorry about ur losses…I had 3 MC too and waiting to get pregnant sometime soon 🙏🏽
@sd8809 si nice to hear ur story! I am with Prof.Shehata too on the complex protocol…feeling quite law lately and reading ur experience it was a joy for my heart.
it is so hard and so painful…

Hi @Rainbowchaser87 sorry for slow reply. I’m ok thank you, scared to death of scan tomorrow morning and awaiting my fate. Had some lower back pain on and off and twinges in ovaries stretching pains etc, some very light pink discharge a few times over the last few days. I’m 60/40 in my head it hasn’t worked out again but I don’t know if that’s just because I cannot imagine myself with a viable pregnancy now after 3 losses and/or the lack of symptoms again. I will try and update tomorrow.. I think we are around 5 weeks 4 days (I think I may have ovulated/conceived late as I only got a 3+ on the clearblue digital today. Wishing you all the best with ttc what immune protocol are you on? I am still under nhs reccurrent miscarriage clinic and am on:
25mg prednisolone (from positive test)
high strength vitd3
baby aspirin
pregnancy vits with folate
I think if this fails again we will look at the private route more seriously. X

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Rainbowchaser87 · 29/04/2025 20:23

Hey @ttcworriedmum93 I pray that tomorrow it will go well! U are on the right medication and so glad u could find this help on the NHS! I wasn’t offered anything but the progesterone…
I can’t even imagine how u feel…it’s sooo hard!! Hope to hear good news from u tomorrow ❤️🙏🏽 sending u a big hug!!

Objectiontime · 29/04/2025 21:17

@ttcworriedmum93 Adding my best wishes for tomorrow. I have everything crossed that all goes well for you x

ttcworriedmum93 · 30/04/2025 12:34

Hi all just an update - was scanned today not much to see other than what could be a small empty sac or fluid but the sonographer said looks promising of an early sac. I think I am about 5 and a half weeks and the clearblue said 3+ yesterday but was still on 2-3 Sunday so I reckon I am maybe only around 5 weeks 3 days or so and ovulated/conceived later??!)Sonographer seemed to think there was hope and the specialist nurse who we saw after still wrote it up as a PUL And said it looked more like 4-5 weeks (I don’t think she was as hopeful). I’m not sure what to think obviously a little further than we were last time (having seen nothing) and we weren’t placed in the bereavement room this time, but not great news either. Have had hcg done today and will get another blood test done Friday to see if levels are doubling (although they have done this previously when it wasn’t viable anyway) so it doesn’t mean much… and then if they have risen by what they need to I’ll be rescanned next week they think. Looks like more agonising waiting.. I guess what will be will be. X

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Rainbowchaser87 · 30/04/2025 16:06

Hi darling @ttcworriedmum93 thank you so much for your update. I am sorry that you have to face more anxiety and more uncertainty but let’s hope that this time things will progress!🙏🏽 I am thinking of you and hoping that this time things will work it out for u!!!🙏🏽❤️

ttcworriedmum93 · 30/04/2025 16:53

@Rainbowchaser87 thank you so much 🙏 I will let you know what bloods come back Friday afternoon and then the plan from then. X

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Objectiontime · 30/04/2025 17:01

@ttcworriedmum93 I absolutely ditto what Rainbowchaser87 says. It is such a difficult time and thinking of you in your wait x