Recurrent Miscarriage Testing, trials and tribulations...Part 7!

[squizita]

Hi all, carrying on from part 6. All kinicker-checkers, blood-testers, clinic-attenders and finger-crossers welcome. Nothing but love and crossed fingers...

baking its a combination of bf, pcos, and then managing to get pregnant on the (3) rare occasions that I ovulated over the past year.

My gp has advised having a few normal periods to get optimum lining quality. I don't know if this is backed up by science but logically it makes sense.
How are you doing?

Ah well - you have to take whatever positives you can from all this.

I'm ok -ish. Losing the dog is particularly crap, our whole routine is up the spout. The progesterone is making me a bit tearful, I think, it doesn't take much to set me off. My boys have for some reason taken it upon themselves to keep asking if we'll have another baby, which is One of DS1's classmates has a new sibling and another is adopting next month, so I suppose it's just in the forefront of his mind. Hope he'll forget about it soon.

Oh Baking that must be tough. :(

Polka ... Sounds like what I'd ask tbh. You hear so manybaseless scare stories, even when you know the science it's hard to not doubt.

Nearly - wishing you an AF that's as pleasant as AF can be.

I'm getting paranoid as Dr Google says the NUMBER ONE symptom of short cycle/luteal phase is miscarriage and low progesterone. I know at least one of mine that wasn't the case (mmc in fact never a bleed) but now paranoid St Marys aren't looking for that. Sane brain says as cycles lengthen with vit b and time, and 1st mc I had normal cycle, 3rd progesterone was good/never bled, that is why. But paranoid brain says 'nooo. Country's biggest unit forgot to consider a major cause ...' Duh. Blood test tomorrow. Might ask for my peace ofmind.

squizita - I'm freaking out about short luteal phase too. Especially because for the past few months, I have been spotting for 8 days before every period. I am having my progesterone levels checked this month on day 21. I've convinced myself it was the course of my miscarriages but consultants say prob not as I have carried 2 babies to term. I just hate not knowing the answers

Prof Q is into the progesterone thing. Her implantation clinic looks at thickness of womb lining 7-10 days after ovulation and then at how those lining cells grow in the lab. My lining was fine but she recommended progesterone pessaries from day 21 for optimal preparation of the lining for pregnancy. I'd prev been told to take progesterone from BFP (with the hope it would maintain the pregnancy) but she says that's too late.
I had some late-cycle spotting but normal luteal phase of 14 days.

Lesley Regan, on the other hand, says low progesterone is a symptom of a failing pregnancy and not the cause, and taking supplements is useless.

It would be so much easier if the experts agreed with each other...

Thanks Baking - yeah I have heard similar, it's the progesterone before, not during, that is key. I will mention it at the clinic. I seemed ok 1st visit so didn't then, but have emailed them to update. Dunno if they'll note it as with my last loss (similar to you ODB although I had a loss- no problems with progesterone whatsoever once pregnant), I never bled and progesterone was high (as was HCG) so I'm not sure if with me it is a permanent thing or something that changes. Some months I'm textbook 28 days, others I'm shorter. Frustrating, like taking a car with a funny noise to the mechanic, and there's no noise.

Of course, Dr Google also has a fair share of weird sites so I'm filtering what I read but I also have other symptoms which suggest too little vitamin B and fatty acids (unexplained back pain, extreme PMS, short luteal phase) so I'm trying suppliments for a couple of months ... don't want to 'mask' a general health issue in my rush for a BFP!

I got a BFP Here we go again. Trying hard to find some positivity.

oh baking brilliant news. Everything is crossed for you this time.

Oh baking that's fantastic news I have everything crossed for you. I know it's so hard to stay positive but each bfp is a fresh start and am I right in thinking you are trying things you haven't done before, I hope this is your time :)

Baking the emotional rollercoaster starts up again but great news nonetheless, everything crossed that its a sticky one (my answer to everything!!)

Baking great news. Back in the thick of it! Sending lots of positive vibes and toasting you with a decaff !

Thanks. I phoned the RMC clinic and the secretary insisted I go to EPU, now, today. Of course when I got there they had no idea what to do with me, have booked a scan for 10 days, said I'd have to see my GP to get the clexane...what was odd was they all treated me with kid gloves, did I need a seperate waiting area? Did I want to see one of the doctors? I'm to phone if the appointments are not convenient or I want to see RMC clinic instead of EPU...They have never been this nice to me when I am actually miscarrying and distressed
Dutifully went to the GP and spoke to a nice (what is going on today?) receptionist who has put in a prescription request for me so I can pick up clexane to start if the scan is positive.
I feel like I've set in motion a train of events that I have no control over, and the next few months determine our family history for the rest of our lives, because this is positively, definitely our last attempt. It's terrible timing too, puts us at 8-9 weeks in the middle of Ds1's birthday party and half term. Ah well, can't change anything by worrying.

Wow Baking so great that everyone has been not only pulling out the stops for you but also being nice ( a Dr's receptionsist? I don't believe it?!)
Ice. Ice. Ice with injecting Clexane is all I'll say - its helped me with the bruising no-end.

What do you do with the ice, polka ? Ice the skin to numb before injecting or after to prevent bruising?
Did anyone teach you what to do? I'd assumed the hospital would sort it but it seems I am just to be handed a load of syringes
I deal with drugs and needles all the time but not normally going into me!

Fantastic (although, I appreciate, scary) news! Everything crossed for you, Baking!

Congratulations Baking, everything crossed for you

Bsking I too was just handed them with no advice, I found from googling that ice fatty area on stomach, pinch fat, jab, ice, 45degree angle of needle, swap sides daily. Once you're over weirdness of injecting yourself its fine, drug burns all little for a few mins afterwards.

Well hideous appt at acupuncture, went to loo just before and blood when I wiped, not bright bleeding blood but not brown and enough to cover tissue but not to soak. As you can imagine i got myself in a real state but acupuncturist said pulse felt fine and gave me treatment to calm me down, that was a few hrs ago and nothing since, feel devastated and desperate. 7wks 6 today

Baking - thats fantastic. I have everything crossed for you!!

Polka2 - try stay positive xxx

Polka hope you're OK. No idea where you are but I believe that there is a walk in EPU at UCLH (London, Euston) which is open on Saturday mornings if you attend A&E first - unlike other A&Es i have visited, they have access to the machines and people who know what needs to be said and done in these situations. :) Hopefully all will be well. Everything crossed. xx

Polka, I hope you have had no more bleeding and can get a scan to reassure you, the anxiety is awful, fingers crossed xx

Thx ladies, no bleeding since "the wipe" feel tragic and broken, need to find hopeful/positive head. I'm south west based so not sure if local EPU open on weekends but will call again tomorrow.

polka I hope you are ok?
I had my review yesterday and it wasnt great. Lab didn't do the karyotyping so we have to send more blood. All other tests are normal. So we will not be offered any preventative treatment next time I really don't think there will be a next time if thats the case

Nothing overnight and (TMI) I've just had a poo and had a bit of dark blood from my vag, thinking about it the bleed yesterday was after a v strenuous poo session????! Sorry ladies for over sharing but don't where else to go! Has anyone else heard of this?

Polka IKWYM. Could it be that you've burst a blood vessel (easily done when you are on meds to thin the blood)? Are you also on progesterone? During my last pg I had a massive bleed at about 6.4 weeks - I could not believe how much blood there was - but amazingly baby was still going strong (at that point, it died at about 9.5 weeks, ironically, with no bleeding at all so MMC at 13 weeks). Anyway, I was told at the time of the very heavy bleed that the combination of cyclogest and aspirin can cause bleeds after straining because the blood is thin and the membranes are extra sensitive. Hope it turns out to be OK with you. Drink LOTS of water for the constipation! :)

Polka oh no. I know exactly that wipe/blood feeling. Fingers crossed it's a blood vessel!!

Baking good to hear they're treating you well.

Nearly sorry your appointment didn't go so well. Its a double edged sword 'nothing wrong' (or nothing they've discovered yet) means over 50% chance of success BUT terrifying without treatment.

Weirdly having my bloods done this week has shaken me up. Feel quite worried and down.

On an unrelated note, a 37 year old chum just had a baby. She didn't know she was pregnant till near the end! Omg! Wish that would happen to me, go in witha tummy ache and BOOM 24 weeks gone. Of course it was mega stressful for the reverse reason to us - no TTC, no scan anxiety but dropped right into the midst ofit, out of tthe blue.