when you have a missed miscarrige, why doesn't your body realise your baby has died? and does that mean its less likely to because of an auto immune problem?

[whiteandyelloworchid]

a friend told me in a way its good if your body does not go into mc mode straight away as it means your bodys really trying to hang onto the baby

so what im wondering is
1, why doesnt the body miscarry normally? why does the body try to hang onto to the baby?
2, if you have a mmc, does this mean its lesslikely to be beacause of an immune problem[say your body attacking the baby]
because surely if the body was attacking the baby a mc would happen faster

i think i actually have both those books mentioned earlier, my dad bless him got them for hisself to read up.
i think every doc has a diff opinion. my gp told me after the 1st one there was no reason not to start straight away. some docs think wait 3 months but that more because the mc will have messed up your cycle making it harder to date your pregnancy.
this time ive had to wait until ive had the tests done and for the results to come back.
so really i think its a personal choice, whenever you feel ready, but also if you are going to have testing i would wait until after that.

Yes, I would agree to wait until after the tests. You may not feel it but you are still relatively young. It's better to take a little time out and put yourself in the best possible position where you know what you are dealing with. This way you will know what treatment may help you go on to have a successful pregnancy rather than putting yourself through it again because of the compulsion, which we are all painfully familiar with, to be pregnant again after losing a baby.

Cartoonface, your dad sounds like a sweetheart.

thanks for the replies, im still waiting for the brevement midwife to get back to see, and tell me what the consultant said and if the consultant will do any tests on me.
hope she rings me today
if i cant get testing on the nhs no idea where i will find the money really for private testing.

wow how lovely of your dad cartoon face, i'd be so touched if osmeone did that for us.
what an awesome guy

thanks for the vote on confidence ont he relativly young point, i'm starting to feel extremely old.

dh isn't keen on the testing route, he just want to go ahead and try again, when the times right for us.
but im the one phyiscally going through this, i know he is suffering alot too.
but i'd feel a bit more confident if we had even some basic tests done.

if the cousultant says no,do you think she willsay no?
shall i ask my gp to do a few tests on me or ask my gp tp refer me to someone?

hmmmm its a tough one but i think you may be able to get at least some testing done on the nhs and defo worth trying if going private isnt really an easy option for you.
from my point of view i really didnt want to just try again and hope. i couldnt face it. i dont want to risk having another mc if i dont have to. if you see what i mean.
to be honest my dp was very offended and hurt when my parents first suggested going private for testing but he came round. i think he was worried someoe would be poking around his willy! maybe your dp just needs some time.

i think he doesnt like the thought of more hospital appointments
although i should think the lost they would do om him would be a blood test for chromosones and a sperm test.
perhaps he just doesnt want to face the fact there maybe a problem
he probably want to bury his head in the sand and just think its going to be ok.
he was adamdent that this time all would be well

i think ur right on that but every case is different. sorry if i sound like im bleeting on about myself but just sharing what i know from whats happened to me so far.
mr shehata doesnt really believe that chromosome testing is particularily relavent and told us not to bother. something about how problems there can just be one of i think urgh! i cant remeber but i think thats right. i think that why nhs use it as an excuse and just say try again.
so all the testing has been with me. he doesnt seem to do anything about testing the male. but each doctor has different ideas and expertise. he believes that nkcells are a big factor in mc's others think thats total rubbish.
maybe he just needs time to come to terms with things. explain how u feel and that you would like to go ahead with some form of tests if you can. at least to start with that can be concentrated more on u anyway so he doesnt have to worry

oh no don't say sorry for telling me about your experiences, i really really value it
its very helpful
i will try and talk to dh again
still waiting to hear if my consoultant will offer to do any tests on me
think if i can find out as much as possible about it all, it will help in my explaining it all to dh

feel a bit in limboland in a way in my life
just a bit lost really
guess i just need to be patient and give it time.

you lot have certainly taught me alot in such a short space of time.

I hope the consultant doesn't keep you waiting too long.
It never hurts to find out information. Give yourselves a bit of Time thou, well mainly dh but I'm sure he'll start to understand how you feel

Just a quick one from me just seen Mr s. I have pcos and very high natural killer cells.

cartoon face, are you starting treatment for that? what will it involve, how are you feeling?

i'm okish today, still bleeding a tiny bit though.

Yes I will be soon. I'll explain more when I can get on a computer. I've got mixed feelings at the moment

Ok update me when you can
Looking forward to hearing about it and the treatments

orchhid how have you been? have you managed to get anything sorted with doctors etc?
to be honest i have been upset about it even though i shouldnt be because its all treatable. the polycystic ovaries was a suprise, the hormone bloods i had done were all normal (it should show up on that if you have pcos) but when i had the scan he could clearly see the cysists. he was worried though and isnt going to treat that at least for the time being. sincce ive never had problems with irregular periods or any of the other affects it can have. my 2 periods since the d&c have been funny lengths but mc does that anyway.
so the natural killer cellls- i dont have a high count but the ones i have are very active. so they attack the pregnancy. i dont really know much about them at the moment and he couldnt tell me why it happens. he seemed very positive though. im able to start trying whenever i want now but we are going to wait a couple of cycles.
i have to take a steriod call prednisolone (think thats spelt right) at the time of ovulation for aprox 10 days then do a pregnancy test. if im not pregnant i stop the tablets until i ovulate next time. if i am pregnant theres a whole load of other medication ill need to have. but ill stop boring you with the details!

hi cartoonface
do you normally use ovulation tests?
is that how you will know when to take the prednisolone?
you are not boring me with the details, i am very interested
why are you waiting a few cycles just to give your body a rest?
and your mind

im ok ish, had bad stomach pains yesterday and last night didnt sleep well
not sure if i overdid it yesterday. cleaned both bathrooms and cut the grass.
while dd was at school
and went to tescos.
so perhaps did a bit too much

or if it s the iron, so ive decided to stop taking that for 2/3 day and see if im ok then, havent taken anytoday, but still not right

or if its anything to do with the mc.
i hope not, dont want any further complications
or have erpc
just starting to get worried

Oh dear maybe you should call the doc out of hours one if your really worried don't suffer in silence. Sometimes its hard to know what is normal.
Yes I have started to use ovulation tests. The first month I used them we fell pregnant so they do work! That was my second mc though. Anyway I've used them a couple more times since more for reassurance as I like to know my cycle is back to normal. It's a bit messed up at the moment but I have been ovulating so that's good to know.
We are having a break but only because we are getting married may next yr so will wait untill at least Nov so as to avoid due date being too close to wedding date. The wait will kill me but I know I have to wait as all the important bits are already booked. I have my dress also so hope they can make it bump friendly! We've always managed to conceive quickly so I've no doubt ill be pregnant before the wedding!

Oh Yeh I will use the ovulation sticks to help me know when to start taking it. I think its like 2 days after I get a positive one I need to double check

wow you do have quite alot on your plate don't you.

i really really hope it works out for you this time, i sense a positive vibe from you so i feel lucky for you

i dint fancy calling ooh, as imd reading ended up back at that hospital hellhole

i'm waiting till next mon and if i still feel unwell then, i will really have to seek medical attention.
no bad smells and no temp so i hope that a good sign of no infection!

Well that's Good at least. But seriously don't leave it too long its probably all normal but maybe they can give you something to help. Am sure u won't end up back in hosp.
Thanks! Once I'm pregnant the real fun starts. I'll need more tablets, pessarys and I have to have intralipid drips. Still trying to get my head round all the medication and when u take them.

oh tell me more about the treatment when your pregnant, if you want to.
id like to hear
im planning on getting some pregnacare and vit d next time im in tescos anyay, got some into my system
im on folic acid 5mg from the gp atm, carried on taking it

i jokiling said to dh, do you think we should just get a puppy instead! lol
how old are you cartoon face if you dont mind me asking? sorry if you have already told me, im so fortgetful at the best of times lol

im 27. i always wanted to be young when i had kids so i feel like im getting old but i know im not got plenty of child bearing yrs left and its good weve had the problem diagnosed early.
it all sounds very confusing to me at the moment but i think once i get into the treatment it will all become clear.
once pregnant i increase the prednisolone dose, start on some other tablets (omeprazole?)that im not really sure what they do, have progesterone pessarys and have a intrapilid drip.
then at 8wks have another drip, i think still taking all those tablets too!
then at 9wks start coming off the prednisolone.
at 12wks i need another drip and can come off the omeprazole
16wks another drip and can come off the progesterone.
at 20wks i can probably stop the asprin.
i think ill get a scan each time i go back for the drip to.
its around £200 for the appt/scan and then must be extra for my drip.
complicated right! im going to be rattling from all these pills!
any news from your end? are u feeling any better?

sounds liek you have a good hold on whats happeneing
got a good feeling for you i really have

do you have any worries about taking the medication while pg, im not poo pooing it at all, i admire you greatly and can see how much this means to you, and its better than going through mc, certainly is.
but i must admit i would be a tiny bit worried about the medication

still got tummy pains a bit, seem t have ewcm, so now started to think perhaps it s ovulation pains?
guess we will see if my period arrives in two weeks, then maye it is ov pains

Oo yes it mite be after my first mc which started naturally, I had loads of aches and pains after and defiantly felt ovulation pains. I hope it is that!
I'm not worried at all about the meds having any effect on my unborn baby, he said there research showed no side effects. I am nervous of the effects on me. Weight gain, mood swings, not sleeping etc not so good when its going to be stressful anyway but not everyone suffers.
Is really nice of you to take such an interest in me when your going through a hard time too x

no its nice to share and help each other along

so when are you expecting to start ovulating any ideas?

i might order some cheap ov tests just so i can try and find out whats going on in my body, i am no way near ready to ttc yet th
ough, need to be back in physical health first.

how are the wedding plans going?
are you going on honeymoon?

I will be stocking up on ovulation tests in boots in sat! I need to have the clear blue smiley face ones. Mainly because the others confuse me, easily done thou. I will start using them even though I'm not gunna start the meds yet so I can get to know my cycle. I think ill start the meds in November maybe December if I can wait that long to start trying a break is nice but the end of the year seems ages away.
I'm going for a dress fitting on sat.
I keep changing my mind on colour schemes flowers etc! I still got plenty of time to decide so its ok. Hmmm honeymoons a difficult one depends how pregnant I am! I want to go to Mexico. It's expensive but looks lovely. I wouldn't go though if I was more than around 5monthsish. I just think its too hot for a big bump! Also though my parents worry about the funny water and dodgy food on holiday. Really don't want to have foodvpoisoning whilst preggers. So that's being left for the moment.