Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!

[Julezboo]

Not so imaginative as lunatic !

Part One HERE

Part Two HERE

There are a mixture of Pg ladies, new BFP's (YAY) and new ladies who have sadly had to join us and are going through testing. Lots of OMW's and hand holding here!

Sit down, grab a cushion and a hot choc and get comfortable.

oh banana please don't let her put you off trying again. there really is every chance you will get and stay pg again.

she probably thought she was being helpful somehow.

Hi all, been busy here today :)

Hope everyone is well. DD still no better so I took her to the doctor this morning. I didn't want to risk leaving her over new year and the surgery being closed. Saw a lovely new GP who was very thorough and prescribed antibiotics for her even though she doesn't have a chest infection. She said there is only a slight rattle but to use the abs if she gets worse over the weekend as they will be closed Monday. I wonder if she is good at gynae things....

mumatron So excited for you :) I had a sweep at +5 and it didn't shift things for me but if you are already having pains and have now had a show it may well help you a considerable amount. I agree about the tea and toast. I can remember eating mine after having DD and it was like heaven on a plate!

julez Hope you are taking it easy. At least you are safe in the knowledge that if anything does happen in the way of labour he is well prepared to face the outside world :)

lady She is very hardy. She has her dad's immune system for sure. At the GP today she said "ooh she has never been poorly, how strange!" I do agree though re childminders/playgroup etc. Lots more germs to spread about.

lunatic at your organisation! I find I do nothing in the way of practical things then I have a massive spurt where I do everything at once.

glittery Sorry about this spotting malarkey. i have every confidence that things are just fine even though I know that doesn't make you feel better. Perhaps you could go to your EPU and ask them to just have quick peek at little one to reassure you?

The first week I did my OPKs I never saw a line so this week to even get a faint line is promising. Still DTD regularly, even when I'm knackered or not in the mood. My libido has been pretty low since coming off the Pill so I have to push myself but then I get in the swing of things and think I should so do this more often! (TMI sorry!!)

frazzled We have this simple pead linctus stuff but I don't think it's doing anything useful for her. I've changed from Calpol to Calprofen and smeared her in Vicks rub stuff so hopefully she has a better night. She coughed so badly last night she made herself retch. Hope little one turns soon. Have you tried or heard of baby spinning?

banana at what your friend said. This thread is proof that two mcs does not mean the end of things. She was probably trying to say something helpful and is now possibly kicking herself wondering why she said that.

mumatron sounds like things will soon be on the move for you. I bet you don't last till your induction!

glittery sounds like the sort of spotting I had with ds. You really have every right to have a scan though, but can understand not wanting to have one sooner than the booked one.

coconuts faint line on the opk sounds promising. Perhaps this week or next will deliver an egg. Despite my rocky cycles I've decided to avoid opk's as I've never conceived while doing them. So they're something of a superstition for me.

banana echo the others that 2 mc's doesn't mean you won't have a successful pregnancy. Perhaps it might put some women off trying again, I guess that depends on their age and whether the 2 miscarriages were particularly life-threatening - but for most of us the need to have a baby even if it is baby number 2, 3 or 4, means we'll keep trying until we get there. How do you feel about it? Do you think your need to have another child is stronger than your fear of miscarrying again?

My three mc's were early and straightforward - all natural, all complete within 10 days of starting. All utterly heart-breaking, but physically fine. I would do it again and again if I knew that a baby would eventually arrive. But I imagine the emotional heartache will eventually be too much to bear if we don't get lucky in the next few years. But that's something we'll deal with if we get there.

AF has turned very heavy today, but still bright red - so looks pretty healthy and nothing like the mc bleed. Hoping this bodes well for a short AF.

Went to visit friends with 4 week old. She was so so cute. Never fails to surprise me how little they are. Also lovely to see good friends become good parents. Reminds me of how things were for us when ds was born. Both dazed by the whole experience, but ultimately stronger and better people for it.

babies? no?

pops head out again.

got bloods done today - quickest I've ever had there was not one person waiting - amazing!
I noticed that there was another test, not just progesterone day 21 ordered, then when I got home there was a letter from the consultant with a copy of my chromosomes test (all normal), and saying that I hadn't had the other test he'd discussed ( don't recall that) but he'd ordered it. Also that they can't find DH's chromosomes results, gah. Am still considering whether to call back and ask him to re-order them or just flag it. Seems unlikely to me but I guess we need to rule it out.
So annoying though, he had the sample taken when i had mine done (1st time) so a bit of a pain that they can't find it.

Sorry not catching up any further. Tired.

no baby yet. pains are hit and miss, but i did manage a good few hours sleep.

really fed up now :(

lady my chromosome tests came back straight away but dp's took months. and we were told they must of been lost etc.

Just checking in to say Im still at home and still pregnant! Dont want to worry people just not up to being at PC much. Midwife this afternoon.

mumatron hope things get moving for you soon!

C'mon, mumatron's DD! I had three sweeps which produced show but nowt else, but sounds like your baba's less lazy than my DS was...

And fx for you too, Julez.

banana, I am so that your friend said that. Why do people say such stupid things about mc? But DON'T listen to her - her basic ignorance of the stats shows it would be madness to take her as a serious source of info. I'm on my third pregnancy of 2010, for a start! No confidence in getting and staying pg is normal - but YOU WILL GET THERE. Get mumatron to do you a cosmic order as soon as she's done with all this birth malarkey

Lunatic Frenzywoman sounds like a most excellent superhero. I'm picturing her festooned with lists and her superpower being something like 'doing four things at once'

Coconuts glad your GP's on the ball, def might be worth enquiring...

digital Hope AF looking normal is a good sign, and bless you for being glad about your friend's new baby. I loved seeing my most recent sprog-producing friend turn into a daddy, too - it is a lovely thing.

LadyBee Gaaaaaaah. How can they be so rubbish? How?

Not much to report myself, though have been Googling transverse lies and found out about cord prolapses. Now a bit freaked out. After all this I am paranoid something's going to go wrong at the last minute.

And DH now saying he doesn't want to visit his family next weekend (I have a thread in Relationships about it). Don't want to nag, DO want to see most of them, don't know what to do for the best.

Anyone got plans for NY that DON'T involve refreshing this thread and watching for babies ?

my plan for nye is to get this baby out.

frazzled this baby was transverse for quite a while, i don't think you should worry until 36wks. and i think cord prolapse is only an issue if your waters go. obviously i'm not a doc but that is what my mw told me anyway!

frazzled im in the same boat panicking about cord prolapse too as I have too much fluid on board.

You are close to 36 weeks now arent you? Slightly 2 weeks ahead of me.

I had an uncomfortable night tbh and have woken up with a headache. Desperate to hold on until my mum gets home on th 11th Jan! MIL has scuppered up our babysitter plans because she is ill pfft lol!

Anyway - im off to pee in my tiny bottle and see midwife x

Hello everyone, glad to see Julez and Mumatron hanging in there at home!

Ladybee what a pain!

Wave to Lunatic and everyone else.

Haven't been around much as I've been having a bit of a dark time, very teary and upset and not sure why but assume it's to do with 1. the time of year and 2. my little lost poppett.

toay would have been my due date for my first baby - although it never grew to anything more than a few cells, it was still a potential baby, my first and very much wanted one.

I am feeling so despairing. I am forty three in April and everything I am reading tells me to give up. I wish I could, but the desire to have a little one is so strong. I do just wish I could give up and get on with life.

I am finding it very hard to take things a step at a time. I am using my Clear Blue monitor again, day eight of cycle.

And I have my appointment with specialist on 18th Jan, but just feel like what's the point. Don't know whether to ask for repeate FSH and progesterone tests, because I'm not sure I want to know if I have little hope of conceiving, let alone carrying to term.

This is my list of questions for the consultant:

1. Have I now been tested for all possible causes of recurrent miscarriage
2. What is this ?unexpected value??
3. Have I been tested for antiphospholipid syndrome (APS) or Hughes syndrome, and if so, can it be ruled out?
4. Have I been tested for Natural Killer cells
5. Is Chromosomal anlaysis possible here?
6. Please can you repeat FSH Day three test, and day 21 Progesterone test for me? Last done Feb 10.
7. Can y ou do an AMH test for me.

8.If I get pregnant again, would treatment with Aspirin and Heparin be worth using?

I am starting to think about IVF if I don't fall pregnant again by March - and also whether donor eggs would be worth it (depending on results of my tests). But it seems like such a lot of money for such a low success rate (at age 42, the Bristol Clinic is saying 8% success, for example!).

My sister had my gorgeous nephew (on 22nd December 10) and he was conceived on her first attempt of IVF. And she's only two years younger than me.

sorry for the self-pitying post, I just feel a little bit crap at the moment.

on a lighter note, I've been out for a cycle and got the endorphins going.

Happy New Year to everyone, thank you so much for your support this year, and here's hoping for great news for everyone in 2011.

Hi and a Happy New Year to one and all. Hope this year will bring better luck to many of us :)

digi Hope you are coping with heavy AF. It is a positive sign that all is healthy. I hear what you say about the fine between wanting a baby so so badly and calculating the amount of heartbreak you are willing to put yourself through to get there. I had 2 mcs before DD and obviously I have only just begun on the road to potentially having DC2. God knows how many twists and turns that will entail for me. I don't think I could put a number on how many mcs I will allow myself to have before I give up. Although me and DH have decided that if it ever gets that far, we will not be going for any IVF treatment. A big decision to make and I hope to god it happens for us before then.

lady glad you managed to get the bloods done. How was peppa pig show? Sorry to hear you are feeling so tired. Do you think it's worth investigating? Could there be a cause other than normal life?

frazzled not sure if the new GP was a permanent fixture or possibly a locum. She was in one of the other GP's room but the old one's name had been removed and I didn't like to ask upfront whether she was there to stay!

i haven't seen your thread in relationships but i hope you manage to resolve the IL issue.

julez hope Mw went ok :)

*hairy8 your list seems a good one. Sorry you are feeling so low :( Just take it one step at a time. Have the appointment and ask your questions. If IVF feels like something you definitely want to investigate then there's nothing stopping you making enquiries at least. And your sister is proof it can work at 40 :)

Nothing much to report here. Had a pretty normal day, went to Mcdonalds (and I'm not ashamed ) bought DD some new shoes. Had a massive go at the customer service desk at the shopping centre regarding the state of the toilets. I won't go into detail but it was revolting in there. I made a bit of a fool of myself but nobody else would have said anything. I have to take my DD in there I expect a certain level of cleanliness.

Rant over.

Had a very strong line on my OPK, not darker than the control line but very very visible. DH checked it and squeaked "coconuts, you've got a line!" I'm going to buy some pineapple juice and get SWI :) Anything else I can do??

Not doing anything for NYE just playing gran turismo with DH and eating battenburg :)

sorry not read back yet, just wanted to say

HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone and thanks for all the support. I am very glad to see the back of 2010, I am hoping that the new year brings better things for all of us.

much love xxx

Just popping on to say Happy New Year Ladies... Hope we all get what we want in 2011.

(MW was fine, all okay other than low BP, had a few tightenings tonight but all stopped again)

Im off to bed now, no way I am gonna make it until midnight.

mumatron I hope you are pushing your way into the new year :)

Happy new year all. Would like to say a massive thank to you all, there is no way I would of got through 2010 or this pregnancy without you all.

Bfp's and babies for us all in 2011.

Still here, contracting away. No real pattern though.

Had a little cry earlier, I need to hurry up and have this baby, don't know if I will be able to stay sane much longer. I'm just sooo tired of it now.

Hi Everyone,

I hope you've all had a lovely festive period :). I don't know where the last few weeks have gone, sorry I haven't logged on...must do better in 2011.

banana I'm sorry your friend said that to you, sometimes people just don't think before they speak. Your friend probably feels bad for saying what she said now. When people say things like that to me I always say that I have to try a little harder than everyone else for what I want but the best things come to those who wait :)...I am waiting very patiently - I am hoping for good things in 2011.

stillfrazzled The thread really is helping me. It?s comforting to know that I?m not alone. I have fabulous friends and family and I love my DP to pieces, but sometimes I think they don?t understand, which isn?t their fault at all. They are just at a loss at what to say. Also 6 of my closest friends are all now at various stages of pregnancy so I don?t want to upset them with talking about my problems and worries.

digitalgirl We were told not to ttc back in July when I had my first referral and then again in October, but when I met the Head Consultant last month he said that we could still be trying if we want to (this is what I mean about the contradictions). We have started ttc again, I am nervous about it and scared but I really want a baby, fingers crossed.

Alovelybunchofbaubles My condition doesn?t hinder conception, but because when us ladies are pregnant our blood doubles by 50%, I think as my blood is prone to clotting this is where my trouble is. My consultant has now agreed to prescribe me clexane from when I find out I?m pregnant until after birth. This is similar to heparin so it will thin my blood and hopefully stop any clots from forming. I?ll have to inject daily, which scares me, but I would inject until the end of time if it means I can have a heartbeat at my 12 week scan, one full term pregnancy with a healthy baby and a healthy me.

Anyway, I hope everyone has a happy 2011. Take care Ladies.

Happy new year to one and all. Hope you all had a nice time, though I imagine it was a mixture of peaceful/ painful(?)/ drunk depending on your current physical state! I feel an irrational sense of relief that I've made it to January without losing another pregnancy. Not sure why one day makes any difference, but I feel better psychologically.

Promise a proper catch up soon. Just wanted to say to mumatron that your wobbly emotional state makes me think you're very close to the finish line now. Hope this is irrelevant and your lo is nearly already here.

Hugs and hopeful, lucky thoughts to everyone else. I already feel that 2011 WILL bring us all the happiness we deserve. It's about time.

Hey hey all and Happy New Year!

I lasted until 11pm, when I downed my half-glass of cava (god it was gorgeous, made a mental note to have a massive glass and slurp it down quick if and when this bub turns up OK) and slunk off to bed.

DH managed to see midnight in by about one minute, so I woke up briefly, and then not till after 7am. A good start to the year for me.

Mumatron awwww, really sorry you're still waiting - fx for something happening soon.

Laura welcome back and really glad this thread's giving you some comfort. I'd have gone mad without it at times, I think.

MummyAbroad yep, deffo glad to see the back of 2010. May 2011 bring better things for all of us!

Julez glad all looking OK.

Coconuts I'll confess to a Wimpy today for me and DS, including a vanilla milkshake (omnomnom). On top of the massive, cheese crust, fat b*stard pizza (plus wedges, plus garlic bread) that DH and I demolished last night. Trying not to think about the effect on my backside...

Hairy glad you're feeling a bit more positive. I find the same effect with a run (which I loathe while it's still happening!) at low points. As someone else said, your sister proves the course of action you're considering is possible - hopefully it won't come to that, but if it does we can send a lot of positive vibes your way...

Glittery know what you mean about being irrationally pleased to have got past NYE and stayed pregnant. Last NYE I had another quiet evening in with DH, another half glass of cava, spent the night being happy and thinking about our new baby - and started miscarrying first thing on New Year's Day. I know I'm waaaaay further along this time, but it still felt like a milestone.

Haven't done much today at all, just took DS out scooting with his little mate, had lunch and drank tea with my friend while they rioted round the house. DH now cooking dinner. We have masses of clearing and dumping and tiling to do, but it can all wait till tomorrow!

lunatic i have seen your posts and could not agree with you anymore. dp and i watched it just to see how it was going to play out. what a pile of shite. so poorly acted imo. i thought of you and all the others in a similar position. my heart bleeds for you all.

Agree lunatic it's outrageous!

lf I KNOW !

this baby is having a right good laugh at my expense. i have been having some pretty bad pains, back ache etc but they only seem to happen at night. stopping in the early hours. very frustrating.

Also going for the world record on losing the biggest mucus plug ever

it was hard enough trying to have sex with dp before that started happening.

Just checking in the off chance of news from mumatron. It sounds as though your baby is playing the same games my DS did. Eventually I went into hospital after 4 days of on/off pain all through the night. It was just bad enough that I couldn't sleep and I felt so isolated at 4am contracting away but knowing it wasn't getting me very far. In the end I went in, not because I needed to so much as the fact that I was completely exhausted and wanted to be looked after. It turned out that I had been in really slow labour, but it's so frustrating, especially when it carries on all night and stops completely in the morning! Sending you love and positive vibes!