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Low-carb diets

Share advice and experiences of following a low-carb diet.Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Hello! Day One Done - anyone want to join me?

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SharkSkinThing · 29/09/2015 20:43

Just wanted to say hello and see if any other new starters wanted to buddy up for support and advice?

I've got 3 - 4 stone to lose, all gained AFTER having my DS who is now - god help me - 5. All down to long-term sleep deprivation and sugar reliance, and forming terrible habits. And wine to help me cope with the sleep deprivation,

Anyway, hoping to finally turn things around now that he's finally sleeping (sometimes until 5.30am!). Would love to chat to others who are finding that this WOE works for them.

xx

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DurhamDurham · 17/12/2015 09:05

Fav my daughter's skin is always worse in the winter when the central heating is on, we have to use non-bio washing powder and her diet does affect it but being 18 she isn't always as mindfull as she should be. She'll happily eat pasta, she loves bread and on her way home from a night out she has been known to eat chips, rice and curry sauce.....all in one container Confused we know these things effect her skin because when she eats well her skin clears up.

My husband made a curry last night, he made it with mince beef which I thought was odd but it was actually quite tasty. It has loads of spinach in it, I didn't even miss the naan or popadoms, we had it with some wedge like pieces of butternut squash.

Last day at work tomorrow until the 4th Jan, I have my 'out of office' all ready to be switched on and my desk is looking unusually clear....I may have peaked too soon Grin

Have a good day everyone!

SharkSkinThing · 17/12/2015 09:58

Sorry about the £££££ durham but at least it's sorted this side of Christmas, and handy that Mr Durham can wait for his season ticket! And ooooo, so close to be off work!!!! Lovely!

Well bloody done, fit, an incredible loss, you must be looking and feeling incredible. I am dancing around the room on your behalf.

I am so not hardcore - I am lazy, and need someone to tell me what to do! I went to a class last night and I WAS THE ONLY ONE THERE! It was excruciating, the instructor still suggested we do it, the bastard. Then he spent the next 45 minutes ignoring me, enjoying his own little workout, glancing in the mirror. Bastard!

Day off today, spin tomorrow then just some swimming. Last weigh in on Saturday!

fav, no, not as bad as your DS, so I feel for you, sleep deprivation - extended sleep deprivation - is the most corrosive thing ever. Makes you feel like such a shit parent.

DS didn't sleep through until this summer really (he's 5.5), woke at least twice a night and never slept for more than 10 hours (no magic 12 hours for us) woke at 4.15am for almost 2 years. Still wakes at 5am now. Had to walk or drive him to get him to nap - the car parks I have sat and cried in are numerous.So depressing.

It's why we only have the one child; that makes me sad, but having another would have destroyed our relationship, and I'm still too traumatized by the last 5 years! Plus I'm 43....

Anyway - more writing, then lunch!!!! Hope everyone is well, and devon, the kids are better. xxx

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Thefitfatty · 17/12/2015 10:52

Thanks Shark and Favi really looking forward to making my first goal (getting below 80kgs). Feeling great though. :)

My DS is 4 next week and just started sleeping through. However he's up at 5:30 am every morning on the dot.

Funnily enough DD (2) slept through from 3 months and a train could go through the room and nothing budges her from 7:30pm till 7:30am. I call her my mini teenager.

willpenrose · 17/12/2015 20:05

Hello everyone, may I join you with a comment and, even more cheekily, maybe a favour? I’m completely new to Mumsnet so I may be breaking etiquette really badly Blush especially as I know you’ve been on this journey together for so many weeks. But I want to say that reading just some of it has been massively inspiring and amazingly close for me to relate to. I’ve struggled with my weight for years, so it’s just fantastic to hear from someone who shares the experience, …but you know that of course.

I have written about what I’ve discovered but while I have lost weight I don’t know if it’s just because I’m a freak or whether there is any truth for anyone else in what I’ve done.

I’d love to hear from someone other than my DW and BF (have I got that right?) just to get a fresh point of view and from what you’ve been talking about there’s no on I would trust more. If you can spare a moment to look at this I’d love to hear what you think.

But now, it’s definitely glass of Wine o’clock… and it being so close to Christmas I don't think I can resist.

And well done you all. You are fantastic.

PS. Please don't bite my head off if I've got this wrong!

SharkSkinThing · 18/12/2015 09:11

Hey, will, nice to meet you, and welcome!

Well done of finding your groove and losing the weight; I thought your blog was very honest and thoughtful, and I agree - once we all find what works for us as individuals, this diet thing isn't quite that bad. Having lovely people around you to pick you up and cheer you on is also key! This thread is a lifeline for me.

I think 'the industry' has a lot to answer for in terms of selling people eating plans which are unrealistic and unsustainable, and unhealthy. I always think that's why charity shops are awash with diet books (along with books on how to raise children/make babies sleep): they often don't work.

Others here will share their own stories, but as a group we all seem to be getting there, and none of us seem to be finding it too hard, or, crucially (for me, anyway), wanting to gnaw our own arms off from hunger. We all still indulge, we are all normal and honest, and we have all found something that is shifting the weight.

Low-carb has been a revelation to me: I thought it was utter bollocks and a gimmick. As a pescetarian, I thought I had no chance. Not only have I gone from 15.3 stone to 13.10 since the beginning of October, I fell better generally, with a number of, er, issues since having a baby, gone.

Anyway, enough from me. Welcome, post away, and no head biting off here, promise. We're just not that hungry anymore!

x

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FavadiCacao · 18/12/2015 10:58

Durham, dd's favourite is a mountain of cheesy chips. Where do they put it all? Grin

Same here, Shark. Flowers We would have liked more children but after ds there was no way! Traumatised is the perfect word! We kept hoping he would calm down and he slooooooooowly did but it's only in the last couple of years that he has finally settled. It coincided with the addition of magnesium tablets and epsom salts baths.

Makes you feel like such a shit parent. You are not a shit parent. I initially felt a confident parent but the relentless grinding by some of the health and education professionals made feel incompetent and insecure. When I asked the first health visitor for help regarding ds's lack of sleep, she gave me a list of books and a depression questionnaire. If I had time to read, it would eaqual to ds sleeping! I was not depressed but super tired. (Thank goodness for HV no.2!) A few years later at an appointment with a CAHMS professional, we were told that we were too lax and too strict within a 5 minutes span! Hmm
My confidence is slowly returning as I see my boy flourishing: from the little boy who wouldn't even respond to his name to a young confident man who wishes to go to university. :)

Because of ds's multiple SENs (Asperger, dyslexia, motor coordination difficulties, auditory deficiency, poor visual tracking, poor visual and auditory short term memory), I have learnt so much about the brain. The inability to sleep can often be associated with deficiency and/or imbalances of minerals such as calcium, zinc and magnesium (often referred as relaxant minerals) or even food intolerances.

Aw, Fit. Your dd sounds like mine, she still sleeps 12 hours given a chance!

Happy Birthday to mini Mr Fit. :)

Welcome aboard and to Mumsnet, Will. :)
I don't think you're a freak: men often lose weight very fast on low carb/ketogenic diet. Losing fat means reduction of oestrogen production and hence the oestrogenic effect on the body, which results in a more muscular appearance in men. Dh regularly gets 'Have you being working out?' Envy Although is not sedentary, he detest gyms.
For women tends to be slower due to lower metabolism but especially due to hormonal interaction, in particular as they approach or are perimenopausal/menopausal -we are oestrogen dependent!
I'll catch up with your blog later.

We're just not that hungry anymore! LOL

willpenrose · 18/12/2015 12:16

Thanks Fav and Shark. Yes I was utterly amazed too about how just a day or two of basically snacking on smoked mackerel and chicken could make an instant impact and means you're not, as you put it, gnawing any limbs off! But I do like to get veggies in too so I don't like to go too long on just the pure protein fast days. But the great thing for me is that the fasting/low carb times give me the freedom to forget dieting for a couple of days a week or for holidays or, as per now... until the new year Wink. And that is how I've actually managed to stick with it for so long.

My new revelation is Mumsnet. I think this social aspect is fantastic. I just hadn't realised that this was here.

I'm really interested in how it affects women v men too. Can't say I'm feeling too muscular!

And thanks again for the warm reception. Cheers, Will

FavadiCacao · 18/12/2015 12:54

I've had a quick browse through your blog, Will, it's very interesting and I'll read more later. Well done on your amazing loss and maintainance.

Like you, I was quite obese and by changing my behaviour I lost over 6 stone.
I had put 47+ Kgs (~7.5) on in less than 5yrs due to emotional eating and it was only when faced with the reality that size 22 was tight, that I started to deal with my habits. I never had a sweet tooth growing up and in most of my adulthood, yet, somehow, I could polish a christmas-size box of celebration; bread, pizza, crackers and pasta were staples.
Unfortunately, I've been perimenopausal since my late 30's and keeping the weight off is more of a struggle with each year that passes (regained a couple of stone in the last year). I think I've now reached a point where is good bye for ever to starchy carbs and hello to moderate protein and lots of green veg. The weight loss is really slow at the moment but so long is in decline or not going up I'm happy and the food is yummy. :)

FavadiCacao · 18/12/2015 18:45

I do apologise for the essay that follows!
Happy holidays everyone, lets a have a real glass of Wine. Cheers!

Thank you so much for introducing me to your blog, Will. I read a little more.
You make some fascinating and very important points.

I couldn't agree more about dieting is not about willpower but behavioural changes, particularly when it comes to retrain Amy brain (love the name!)

Losing weight is, of course, also about how to eat. I disagree slightly with you about we know what we should eat. I have had children coming to my house not knowing what a real potato looked like! And I've helped a lot in schools to know children are often not exposed to real food: it has become the schools's responsibility to teach about food rather than a parental one. A lot of those children are adults now, some are even parents.

There are constant conflicting messages thrown at people, between the traybake (as you say) and health messages. People are genuinely confused and the vast majority don't realise that all carbs=sugar; so they may well know that sugar is bad for you but they don't realise that the body sees ''a bagel the same as a packet of skittles'' as mentioned by J.Stanton in his blog www.gnolls.org/. Most people don't even realise that sugar substitutes -with exception of erythrol and xylitol- elicit a similar insulinergic response to 'real' sugar.
We have been bombarded with the low fat mantra that most people would avoid all fats not realising that the body needs fat to absorb vital fat soluble vitamins.
How about the constant attack on animal proteins? Only the other day I was reading an article about a geochemistry Professor advocating to ditch all dairy -because of the oestrogen in them- in favour of soya which is high in phytoestrogen which mimics human oestrogen!

You are absolutely right! How is Amy suppose to resist the millions of pounds spent by the Traybake Industry into tempting her, if not by retraining her?
After ~ 5 years of not eating gluten, the deli cakes and bread isles smell so rancid to make my stomach wrench. The rare times I have accidently come across sugar, it tastes worse than saccharine and makes my mouth feel on fire. (Don't take me wrong: I still enjoy a square or two of 85-99% chocolate!)

I echo what you say about Amy be programmed for immediacy and the pleasure reward being so appealing and appeasing. Every time I regained weight, it's because I have given into the temptation of starches.
However, I find the 'fast, burn, reload' a bit simplistic (I don't know if you adress some of the following points later) and I hope you don't mind a little banter. :)
Fasting is not that easy. I have fasted most of my adult life, bar the 5 years of my emotional eating, but I couldn't sustain it if I had an ulcer attack or low blood sugar (which is all gone since going primal a few years ago).
Burn and subsequent reload could potentially implicate in and out of ketosis and for a lot of people could be difficult to handle. Plus 'all the pure protein' can be a real issue, especially for people with impaired kidney function or gout.
Releoad is possibly the most complicated of the subjects. Again the possible in and out of ketosis can be an issue for some people but I would also like to introduce the concept of people with metabolic disorders would really struggle with this. When you become obese (or even overweight) you increase the chance of become insulin and/or leptin resistant and carb refeed would only exacerbate the problem; eating Traybake for a type 2 diabetic could be catastrophic; reloading for someone whose thyroid is underactive will only lead to weight gain. Reloading with anti-nutrients, such as in a muffin, could lead to differing levels of malnutrition for someone with Chron's disease or IBS and inflammation for people with autoimmune disorders (such as the eczema mentioned upthread, arthritis, asthma...)

The 'fast, burn, reload' routine could also be stressful enough for some people to raise their cortisol to skyrocketing levels, driving the body to store fat, fat, fat in a similar fashion to the one you describe in starvation, especially in people with endocrine, immune or neurological problems.

I concur with you that avoiding temptation is paramount and learning how to fast can be a key to successfully avoid such temptation, alongside planning. Maybe the discovery of being coeliac, has led me to a different solution where planning is vital: my son and I have to be super careful when eating out. Knowing how to fast or eat a big meal before going out is essential, we had people cooking for us with ''a little flour, so there won't be much gluten'' before!

And yes, yes, yes to stop worrying about a little yo-yo'ing of weight, after the amount of weight we have lost, a few pounds are not an issue. The only codicille is that this year I have seen jumps as big as 6-7lbs on overnight and not coming off easily, but then again I was increasingly eating more carbs, more proteins, less fat and less calories. And calorie is not the same as another calorie, the Krebb's cylcle teaches us that; there is a lovely explanation by Peter Attia on youtube in ''Readressing the dietary guidelines'' video.

I really like your idea of eating mindlessly. Some aspects of how I eat and indeed shop have indeed become second nature, so I no longer have to be mindful! :)

I share part of your philosophy about food-porn. Food-porn is here to stay, so I feel like you that we need to address the issue. I find the tought, passion and love I apply to cooking and shopping allows me to avoid every temptation. When the food I cook at home is delicious and tastes better than anything I can buy, why would I buy it pre-prepared?
I wouldn't dream to buy cream cheese, after I tasted my own homemade; I would still buy a brie but the home-made is far more appealing; salami, hams and bacons are immensurably superior... I'd better not start on the topic feeding home-grown food to feed us! Wink Grin
When home cooked is full of flavour Amy, as you address, is super happy and she couldn't care less about Traybake. As an half Italian, however, food is an an omnipresent thought: I can't have a conversation with any member of my family or Italian friend without talking about food or ingredients at some point. We talk about food/ingredients in terms of flavour, colour, smell, freshness, provenance, quality, properties (culinary and medicinal), how to cook to it but the presentation is rarily a topic for discussion because food is not served on a plate but brought to the table for people to help themself -this teaches you how to be mindful about food and other people, what is their favourite meal...
I suppose you could say, I had to learn to be akin to the alcoholic working in a bar or the ex-smoker around smokers or cigarette quitting adverts!

Yes, it is unfortunate that a lot of recipes, images and presentation of food over promise and lead to disappointment: indeed I made the case about presentation and recipes, if I were to start a food blog, upthread. As a passionate cook with many mistakes under the belt, I use recipes as ideas and, like you say, I don't see the point on being too hung up on them.

I shall enjoy reading some more of your blog and I hope my commentary is useful to you. :)

FavadiCacao · 18/12/2015 20:50

I'm really not on the ball these last few days, sorry. Sad
Well done, Shark, that is a super loss Grin and goodness do I understand gynae issues.
Also, sorry about the spiel about minerals as your ds is now sleeping.
And thank you for your honesty: extended sleep deprivation - is the most corrosive thing ever. and the car parks I have sat and cried in are numerous.So depressing. It brought up a lot of ghosts I've buried but need to confront now-again: I forgot the wishes for SS to take my son away...until we faced the reality of loosing him to meningitis.

You're right that it's harder for a pescatarian or vegeterian to follow the low carb principles and your amazing loss shows you are getting it right.
as a group we all seem to be getting there We seem to all have reached the same conclusion that one-size doesn't fit all but we are all finding our way forward (all support and suggestion are most welcomed).

SharkSkinThing · 19/12/2015 06:46

Aw, fav, what a sweetheart you are. These are for you Flowers.

And never apologise to me for offering advice: I appreciate anyone taking a few moments out of their busy schedule to help a friend, so thank you!

Kids are hard work! And kids who don't sleep or/and have additional issues take a lot more dedication, patience and thought. I think I was just unlucky with the group of new mums I had as well - all of their children slept and I felt like the wrong who was fucking it up!

Suffice to say I then met some different mums who took me under their wing, fed me chocolate and coffee, let me cry on their shoulders at play groups (this happened a lot), and generally looked after me. I am still friends with those women, our kids are great friends, and I would literally kill for them.

I know being a mum is all about the kids, but thank god for other mums (and sorry if that's a bit one-sided, but my darker days were saved by other mums).

will - looks like you have lots to digest, ho ho! fit is a really good source of advice for health and fitness, I'm sure she'll pop up soon! And you are right, Mumsnet is great!

So!!! My weigh in today was 13.9 and a bloody half. Half a pound off where I want to be.

Now, I know in the long game this is cool, I have lost 1.8 stone after all, but I so wanted to see 13.9 on the button.

OK, don't judge me, but I'm going to move the goalposts, and make Tuesday my final weigh in day. This means I will have two more gym sessions and a swim to nudge that pesky half a pound off!

Happy Saturday everyone! Any nice plans? xxxxxx

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FavadiCacao · 20/12/2015 10:20

I'll cheer you on for Tuesday!

I weighed yesterday and I finally returned to what I was and a little less Xmas Grin. What I thought was super slow it's actually over 1lb a week, so I'm happy. Especially when I cheated with wine every weekend

Dd came back yesterday and the house lit up immediately!
She went straight to the freezers to check what meat and fish she could choose, after all ''all she wanted for Xmas, was yummy food!''

We are off to the last farmers' market in search of lovely veg: I have cabbages, cauliflowers and leeks in the garden but no sprouts, kale or swedes.

devoncreamtea · 20/12/2015 20:08

Hello everyone

I am bowing out for the festive season, so hope all have a wonderful time with family and friends.

Just wanted to say thanks to you all for being so lovely. It is inspirational reading this thread, and I have felt very supported and enthused. It is a privilege to share the journey with you!

In other news.....my oven has broken...!!!! I made the mistake of cleaning it...so, smoked salmon and cheese for Christmas dinner it is then!
Xmas Smile

devoncreamtea · 20/12/2015 20:10

Ps: shark have a poo and reweigh...????

SharkSkinThing · 20/12/2015 20:14

Waving my poms poms right back atcha fav - sounds like you're winning the battle, too!

How lovely to have your DD home, and I hope you got some delicious veg from the market. I took on an allotment in October, so am really looking forward to getting stuck into some home grown of my own in 2016!

devon - shit, shit, shit! Is it salvageable at all? Looks like BBQ turkey round yours?! I hope you manage to get it sorted, love. Whatever happens, have an amazing festive time with your family and loved ones and catch up with you in the new year. The feeling is mutual, you are a Star!

xxx

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FavadiCacao · 21/12/2015 11:18

Devon- You've really embraced the paleo lifestyle! I saw these [[http://cookit.e2bn.org/historycookbook/index-29-prehistoric.html recipes and thought of you. Grin
Hopefully, your oven just needs drying out. How's the dishwasher doing?

Shark - Home-grown veg tastes so much nicer. :) What style of gardening are you going to be following? I like a mix of Charles Dowding and Martin Crawford as I'm too much of a lazy gardener to be bothered with rotating crops and digging.

FavadiCacao · 21/12/2015 11:19
SharkSkinThing · 22/12/2015 08:53

Grin at devon

fav - I'm planning on just putting in easy stuff next year - spuds, onions, beetroot, and I've already put in my raspberries and gooseberries, so will just see how it pans out! I am also a lazy gardener!

In other news....I have gone up a pound! Up! I have no idea what is going on, but I am now clearly obsessing about getting to 13.9. So I am bowing out at 13.10, and will resume after Christmas! Just one last gym class....

xxxxx

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willpenrose · 22/12/2015 09:48

Hi All

Thanks for such a considered response, fav, I guess if you're gluten free then the temptation of many carbs is so much more off-limits and so the lure of the muffin is something you have taught yourself to avoid completely. But I suppose there's still chips to deal with! I'm not suggesting that you must reload on a ton of carbs - and as you get used to eating better you do find you need them less and less. I had a great burger and chips this weekend, and quite happily just left half the bun and half the chips.

But what I found was that if i didn't make space to allow myself to eat something indulgent then I just couldn't stick to any diet in the long run.. So for periods of sustained weight loss I just fast and burn right through from one week to another, but then on the third weekend, have a reload day.

And I definitely think Christmas is reload time! I wrote about it here: tinyurl.com/jcytzmx For the past three years I've been monitoring my weight continuously and Christmas is always a disaster. But now I know I can take it in my stride so I've learnt not to beat myself up about it. January is payback time so back to fast and burn then. And fasting when you can protein snack is so much easier too.

Devon hope your oven revives!

FavadiCacao · 22/12/2015 11:38

Shark -Spinach, chard, lettuce, salad and courgettes are also very easy to grow: just sprinkle the seeds on the ground. Add a few seeds of tagetes (english marigold) to keeps pests away and to garnish your salad with a delicate tangerine tasting flower. :)

Don't worry about the weight going up. For the last 3 weeks mine has been going up 2lbs before coming down 3. As Devon or Fit said upthread, as your fat cells empty of fat, they temporarily replace the fat with water.

You are welcome, Will. The gluten free means that chips are off the menu too, as more often than not are coated in flour to give the extra crispiness! Wink I know what you mean about the carb reload and the need to indulge for sanity sake. :) I love fruit, potatoes, chocolate...
At the moment I'm on a weight loss and I have chosen to do it via Ketosis, which means I wouldn't want to carb refeed. I'm still eating carbs of course, just mainly as veg and a bit of low GI fruit.
Although I'm avoiding the temptations that are a trigger for me whilst losing weight, I think I will need to avoid them even once I reach my goal weight or I will be back here again and again.
I can't just eat a slice of bread (GF) and leave the rest but if I don't taste it, I don't miss it or crave it. I made GF crumpets for ds yesterday and I was happy to taste the batch because crumpets were never my thing, they never held an emotional value. I baked a rich chocolate cake the other day and it tasted as a cake should do but again cakes are not a trigger, whereas a mango will lead to another mango or two or three.

I had managed to maintain for a couple of years, until I started to play about with post-exercise-carb-refeeds, gf home-made pasta, breads, pizzas, sprouting lentils and snacking on too many nuts.

I have learnt to deal with most of my trigger foods but a few are still an issue and it's best I avoid them for now but I'm learning to be in the same room as them.

It's funny what we consider indulgent: the majority of Dh's and my family will skimp on fats and give in to torroni and Christmas puddings, whereas Dh, dd and I are enjoying super rich sauces with expensive meats (moose, boar, venison, guinea fowl...) but are not bothered at all by sweets.

Off to take Dd shopping in town. Wish me luck :)

Thefitfatty · 23/12/2015 17:35

Hey everyone. Just checking in. At the in laws and unfortunately it's been nothing but carbs and wine😒 However I'm not overeating so really just hoping to not gain weight rather then lose. Hope everyone's doing well!! Merry Christmas

DurhamDurham · 24/12/2015 09:37

Hello all, been busy at work and haven't had a chance to catch up with the last few days postings yet. I just wanted to say I hope you all have a fabulous Christmas. Whether you decide to stay on the low carb bandwagon or to fall off it I hope you all enjoy some delicious food.

I've decided to eat my roasties tomorrow and have chocolate morning, noon and night but I can manage to stay away from the bread! Went out for a works 'do' last night and although I stayed relatively low carb the meal itself was awful.......I ordered chicken livers to start and they arrived luke warm and half cooked. Urgh. Main was steak which I ordered with veg and when it arrived I swear the veg was one of those steam pouches you can buy in the supermarket. I passed on the dessert and just had a coffee.....which was acceptable.

I'm going to stay on track as much as possible and then really knuckle down in the New Year.

Merry Christmas and all the best for 2016 WineThanksWineThanks

willpenrose · 24/12/2015 09:47

Merry Christmas everyone!
fit hey, even if you do gain, it's nothing to worry about. Far better to feel good than worry about stuff that's essentially beyond your control. (if your in-laws are anything like mine, definitely beyond control) So embrace it, build it in to your overall rhythm, get in the diet groove. Weight on, weight off, and a whisker more off than on and you're winning. putting on a turkey, oops!. All that to work on in January. See you then. I'm off to eat carbs and drink wine. Smile

Cariadblodyn · 27/12/2015 19:09

Hello Everyone
May I join your inspiring thread please. I have been low carbing/paleo for much of this year and have lost nearly two stone. Have done ok over Christmas but had a few treats, nothing major and am looking forward to getting back on the wagon soon and continuing my journey Smile

Cariadblodyn · 27/12/2015 19:13

Hi Shark. Hows things going?