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Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Summer 23 Boot Camp: the preparation thread

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prettybird · 10/06/2023 08:47

This is the prep thread for the new Boot Camp that will be starting on 19 June.

It will take me a few posts as I blatantly copy across from @BIWI ‘s excellent introductory posts and I’m doing this on the app which makes it more award.

First off the major caveat: I am not a doctor This Way of Eating works for me and has done for many others. I’ve followed BIWI on these Boot Camps for many years and there is a lot of support but if you have any medical issues, you need to make your own choices.

@FinallyHere - can you post a link to an old Spreadsheet of Fabulousness please Flowers. It will let people have a look at some of the resources on it. (It’s difficult for me to do it from my phone).

And so to the rules. These are the rules for the first two weeks. After that, we do relax things a little:

1. Eat three proper meals a day

You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and especially enough fat, you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack). After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger. A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

Experienced Boot Campers may follow intermittent fasting (IF) (16:8 or similar) and therefore not have say breakfast but if you’re new to this Way of Eating, wait until you’ve got used to it before starting on IF.

2. Avoid processed foods

Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not at every meal, every day.

3. Eat lots of fat

Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little).

Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light/’Lite’ foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food

This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list, which you'll find on the spreadsheet.

Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are under 5g carb per 100g, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

The vegetable carb counter is helpfully colour-coded into green (eat freely), amber (go easy) and red (best avoided as much as possible), which will help you to make your choices.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)

Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!)

You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. You should choose one that’s 10% fat – most of the supermarkets have a Greek yoghurt in their premium ranges with this amount of fat.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day

The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink.

This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/:

Water is essential to weight loss for those who follow a low carb way of eating. The minimum consumed in a day should be:

Your Weight - Litres
140lbs - 2.5
160lbs - 3.0
180lbs - 3.0
200lbs - 3.5
220lbs - 3.5
240lbs - 4.0
260lbs - 4.5
280lbs - 4.5
300lbs - 5.0
320lbs - 5.5
340lbs - 5.5
360lbs - 6.0
380lbs - 6.5
400lbs - 6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects, e.g. it aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb way of eating, we should eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it.

Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

The water is really important - any time I’ve noticed myself stalling, I’ve noticed that my water consumption had dipped. I like to think of it as helping to pee the fat away Wink

7. No alcohol

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead.

If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit

Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, in moderation, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds

Although they are a good source of nutrition and contain lots of fat – which is great for us – they also contain carbohydrate and, because they’re so moreish, you can quickly end up eating a lot of carbs.

When we move to Bootcamp Light, after the first two weeks, you can re-introduce these, but be careful and go easy. On the spreadsheet, you'll find a nut carb counter, which illustrates just how much they vary in terms of their carb counts.

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat.

Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

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YappyCamper · 14/06/2023 17:38

StuntNun · 13/06/2023 06:57

@YappyCamper this whey protein powder https://amzn.eu/d/gpJEhnOO* only contains whey protein from milk and soy lecithin as an emulsifier. You won't find any cleaner protein powder. I had a look in Sainsburys yesterday; they had a huge variety of protein powders and every single one contained sucralose or stevia, often alongside a whole lot of other ingredients.

Thank you. Every time I look at ingredients I'm bemused.

Donteventhinkofcallingmecis · 14/06/2023 19:02

@Almahart I have ordered bread and - ahem chocolate - from The Low Carb Food Company. Taste was not bad at all. I'm such a bread addict I have been searching for an easy fix. Was wondering what people think about that sort of thing. Grenade Carb Killa Bars another favourite. Realise latter has artificial sweeteners so probably bad although arguably not as bad as a Mars Bar.... I also looked up endless recipes for Keto bread and bought weird stuff like Xantham Gum and God knows what. Haven't attempted it yet, though.

Random789 · 14/06/2023 21:59

Even tho I have to some extent fallen off the low-carb bandwagon since I first bootcamped, I do think that my bread addiction has dramatically improved as a result of bootcampng. I stayed off bread absolutely completely for months and months; and ever since then I have found that I can resist bread very easily when I want to, even if I do (rarely) have a slice now and then.

That makes me quite serious about thinking there may literally have been an 'addiction' element to it - and that I have successfully gone through some sort of withdrawal.

(Of course, it helps that so much of the nice/posh bread available in the shops now is actually rubbish. Supermarkets seem to devote so much effort to making 'artesanal' loaves that look delicious, bu they don't care what they actually taste like or what their texture is like.),

LadyBird1973 · 14/06/2023 22:08

I buy livlife low carb bread from Waitrose when they have it, but agree that most supermarket bread is rubbish. I've decided to only eat bread if I'm having the really good stuff at a nice dinner out. Which I don't be going during bootcamp!

FinallyHere · 14/06/2023 23:02

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FinallyHere · 14/06/2023 23:09

@LadyBird1973

a nice dinner out. Which I don't be going during bootcamp!

One of the things I like best about bootcamping is how easily it can accommodate restaurant meals.

The nicer the place, the easier it works.

It was a bootcamper ilovecherries who first introduced me to the idea of continuing to follow bootcamp even on holiday. I wouldn't recommend it in the early weeks but once your body has made the switch, I highly recommend lovely meals out sticky to bootcamp rules.

Smoked salmon and salad to start
Steak, salad (check no balsamic vinegar in the dressing) to follow
Expresso while anyone else has pudding

It takes a bit of getting used to and especially at first when your body is used to all the extras. Honestly, though, swerve the bread, potatoes and pick wisely to avoid sweet and milky sauces while enjoying meat, veg with creme, hollandaise / just pure butter sauces and see how easy it all is.

You can have a meal out, once in bootcamp lite, with a glass of champagne and then onto the still water, enjoy a fabulous meal and not feel guilty, or bloated, or in any way guilty afterwards.

I've been bootcamping since Jan 20,

it's now my automatic reaction to swap the eggs Benedict muffin for wilted spinach for the perfect breakfast out.

Skip the dessert or just have an expresso.

The thing that makes it such a pleasure for me, is to have a 'treat' of eating out without the discomfort associated with over eating esp carbs

I highly recommend it, once you are through the barrier and feeling the benefits of being fat adapted. Good luck

Baystard · 15/06/2023 07:33

I've made my own bread since lockdown, organic wholemeal, and I'd not go back to shop bought now. I don't find I binge on it like i would on the UPF shop bought though I do notice that having a slice at supper time can still become a habit and I periodically cut it out altogether for a few weeks.

Eating out LC is great. But. It does really highlight which local restaurants make great food and which ones are actually relying on cheap carbs to form the majority of the dish. I have one local restaurant which is amazing for LC - easy to swap the chips/potatoes for extra veg and they use lots of meat, fish, cheese, cream, butter. Another (and which is popular with the rest of my family unfortunately) can't seem to manage to design a menu without battering something, covering it in a sweet chilli style sauce, rolling it in a crepe, filling it into pasta etc. It is possible to have steak and salad but it gets a bit boring.

Glorianna · 15/06/2023 08:13

Morning all, I’ve still been mostly low carbing since the Jan bootcamp but have been having the odd food with artificial sweeteners like the odd Pepsi Max. Just read the WHO report about non-sugar sweeteners and that “potential undesirable effects from long-term use” of NSS, such as an increased risk of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease.”

I’ll be looking to stop the use of non sugar sweeteners in the next Bootcamp:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/05/1136667#:~:text=New%20guidelines%20from%20the%20UN,%2Dsugar%20sweeteners%20(NSS).

WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

New guidelines from the UN health agency released on Monday have advised against using non-sugar sweeteners (NSS).

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/05/1136667#:~:text=New%20guidelines%20from%20the%20UN,%2Dsugar%20sweeteners%20(NSS).

agnesmartin · 15/06/2023 08:21

On a similar note, read Ultraprocessed People a few weeks ago and that's done a very good job of keeping me off the Diet Coke (had been a very hard habit to break though I knew it was bad for me) and posh supermarket ginger ginger biscuits.

Haven't touched either since.

CrawlingFromShitshowToAfterglow · 15/06/2023 08:22

Hi everyone. I've signed up, but I've never done a bootcamp before! I'm a bit worried, though. I can see breakfast is mandatory, but I'm a vegetarian (don't eat eggs, but dairy is fine) and I can't see many choices for me given the list of restricted foods. Any ideas what I can do for breakfast?

Random789 · 15/06/2023 08:36

I forgot to buy eggs yesterday, so Ive just been facing the same problem: How to make a good low-carb breakfast without eggs. Thinking outside the [cornflakes] box, I have just microwaved some fine green beans and mixed them with a pile of grated cheddar. In advance it felt too unbreakfasty but I'm enjoying eating it right now.

prettybird · 15/06/2023 08:39

@CrawlingFromShitshowToAfterglow One of the things about Boot Camp is to stop thinking about "traditional foods" for breakfast Shock (Mr Kellogg and the breakfast cerealista industry has a lot to answer for Hmm)

Breakfast options: you can go continental: have some cheese (for non Veggies, also cold meats). Or cold veg (I often make sure to microwave in butter of course extra veg the night before). Or leftovers from your main meal.

As you're veggie, you can also make the almond based muffins (flavoured with cheese or vanilla), toasted and slathered with butter (I'm looking forward to them after the 1st 2 weeks). Recipe is on the Vegetarian recipe thread.

Greek yoghurt with cream and a bit of cinnamon (or whatever other spice you like or 100% cocoa powder or vanilla powder or nothing) is another good choice.

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BIWI · 15/06/2023 09:17

How about mushrooms, fried in butter, with some wilted spinach and/or fried tomatoes? Sometimes I feel a need for savoury rather than sweet, and this (with bacon or sausage for non-veggies!) would hit the spot.

Yoghurt is a great breakfast option too - full fat Greek is best; you're looking for those which are 10% fat, and not Greek-style. In the first two weeks of Bootcamp it's tricker as you can't have berries or nuts/seeds on it, but if it's not enough on its own, the addition of double or clotted cream is lovely. @prettybird adds cinnamon to hers, I believe, but I'm not a great fan. So sometimes I'll add a little vanilla bean paste (not much, as it's very sweet)

prettybird · 15/06/2023 09:42

@CrawlingFromShitshowToAfterglow is veggie so she can have nuts from the start - lucky her Smile

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ListenLinda · 15/06/2023 10:55

Please tell me it’s not too late to sign up? 😁 I was feeling miserable about my holiday weight gain this morning and decided to come looking to see if a bootcamp was running any time soon…. It must be fate! 😁

prettybird · 15/06/2023 10:58

@ListenLinda - it's never too late to sign up. We even get people joining once the Boot Camp has been going for a few weeks.

There's a separate sign-up thread - especially if you want to be on the Spreadsheet Smile.

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prettybird · 15/06/2023 11:00

@CrawlingFromShitshowToAfterglow - just re-reading your post, I'd noticed that you didn't eat eggs (which is why I didn't suggest them) but are you ok with them in things: the almond based muffins are quite egg heavy.

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ListenLinda · 15/06/2023 11:04

I’ll pop over to that thread, thanks @prettybird 😊

prettybird · 15/06/2023 11:07

On the bread discussion, I've managed to totally give up supermarket bread that is just sponge and full of processed stuff. The fact that if you keep it in the fridge, it last forever says it all Hmm

I cracked making sourdough bread during Lockdown and now make it regularly for dh and ds. Because I make it so often, I no longer feel the need to have a slice as I know what it tastes like and that it's bloody good Halo (the added caraway seeds make it extra special Smile) When I'm not on Boot Camp and haven't actually fallen off the wagon Blush, I might have the odd slice just to enjoy it.

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YappyCamper · 15/06/2023 11:53

I quite like half an avocado for breakfast with a bit of vinegar

prettybird · 15/06/2023 12:17

Forgot about avocados Smile

I like them with EVOO in the hole left by the stone Grin

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Suxeed · 15/06/2023 13:09

Mmmmmm, on the yoghurt discussion, I’ve just checked the yoghurt that I thought I’d bought thoughtfully, only to find its Greek Style and 8.3g fat per 100g so only 8.3% (Yeo Valley Organic) so it’s not right for this low carb malarkey :(. Any specific retailers and or manufacturer suggestions for where I’ll find Full fat Greek 10% ?

prettybird · 15/06/2023 13:26

@Suxeed - we have a thread for that Grin

Find your full fat yogurt soul mate here

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/lowcarbb_bootcamp/4718643-find-your-full-fat-yogurt-soul-mate-here

I'm on the app, so is for whatever reason the link doesn't work for you, you'll find it in the Boot Camp topic Smile

Personally, I like the Lidl 10% authentic Greek yoghurt. In fact, I'm having some this very minute Grin

Summer 23 Boot Camp: the preparation thread
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Suxeed · 15/06/2023 13:34

Brilliant! Thank you!

prettybird · 15/06/2023 16:48

In semi-related news, I'm going to start HRT (once I can get the prescription). It was a telephone appointment, so my doctor talked through the risks: he mentioned the small increased risk of strokes (but at least I have no family history) but then said, because it's also weight related, your risk will be reduced because you're slim.....

When I had to say that I wasn't at the moment (have t seen him for years - maybe as many as 13), he said his memory of me was of being slim lovely man Shock

I had to admit to him that at the moment I'm technically overweight and then had to tell him how heavy I was Blush I did say I was working on it though Halo

At least I didn't have to admit to the weight I saw on the scales just over a week ago! Grin

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