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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Summer 23 Boot Camp: the preparation thread

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prettybird · 10/06/2023 08:47

This is the prep thread for the new Boot Camp that will be starting on 19 June.

It will take me a few posts as I blatantly copy across from @BIWI ‘s excellent introductory posts and I’m doing this on the app which makes it more award.

First off the major caveat: I am not a doctor This Way of Eating works for me and has done for many others. I’ve followed BIWI on these Boot Camps for many years and there is a lot of support but if you have any medical issues, you need to make your own choices.

@FinallyHere - can you post a link to an old Spreadsheet of Fabulousness please Flowers. It will let people have a look at some of the resources on it. (It’s difficult for me to do it from my phone).

And so to the rules. These are the rules for the first two weeks. After that, we do relax things a little:

1. Eat three proper meals a day

You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and especially enough fat, you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack). After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger. A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

Experienced Boot Campers may follow intermittent fasting (IF) (16:8 or similar) and therefore not have say breakfast but if you’re new to this Way of Eating, wait until you’ve got used to it before starting on IF.

2. Avoid processed foods

Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not at every meal, every day.

3. Eat lots of fat

Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little).

Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light/’Lite’ foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food

This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list, which you'll find on the spreadsheet.

Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are under 5g carb per 100g, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

The vegetable carb counter is helpfully colour-coded into green (eat freely), amber (go easy) and red (best avoided as much as possible), which will help you to make your choices.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)

Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!)

You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. You should choose one that’s 10% fat – most of the supermarkets have a Greek yoghurt in their premium ranges with this amount of fat.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day

The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink.

This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/:

Water is essential to weight loss for those who follow a low carb way of eating. The minimum consumed in a day should be:

Your Weight - Litres
140lbs - 2.5
160lbs - 3.0
180lbs - 3.0
200lbs - 3.5
220lbs - 3.5
240lbs - 4.0
260lbs - 4.5
280lbs - 4.5
300lbs - 5.0
320lbs - 5.5
340lbs - 5.5
360lbs - 6.0
380lbs - 6.5
400lbs - 6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects, e.g. it aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb way of eating, we should eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it.

Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

The water is really important - any time I’ve noticed myself stalling, I’ve noticed that my water consumption had dipped. I like to think of it as helping to pee the fat away Wink

7. No alcohol

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead.

If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit

Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, in moderation, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds

Although they are a good source of nutrition and contain lots of fat – which is great for us – they also contain carbohydrate and, because they’re so moreish, you can quickly end up eating a lot of carbs.

When we move to Bootcamp Light, after the first two weeks, you can re-introduce these, but be careful and go easy. On the spreadsheet, you'll find a nut carb counter, which illustrates just how much they vary in terms of their carb counts.

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat.

Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

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prettybird · 11/06/2023 12:11

You never step on my toes @BIWI - I alway appreciate your support and contributions Flowers

Anyway, plagiarising again one of @BIWI 's posts from a prep thread (ok, completely copying and pasting it Wink) :

Planning and preparation is key to success on this WOE (way of eating). Which means you need to think about all the meals you need to prepare for the next week - which includes what you're going to have for lunch if you're out of the home at work, and thinking about any likely social occasions.

So - make sure your cupboards/fridges/freezers are emptied (as far as practically possible) of anything really carby that you know is likely to tempt you.

Make a meal plan for the week (or the next two weeks if you can that organised!) and then make sure you buy everything you need in your next shop.

Cooking a couple of meals ahead is a really good idea - so you know you have something Bootcamp-friendly easily to hand.

For the first week or so, while you're adjusting to a low carb WOE, especially if you're new to it, it's a good idea to have some low carb snacks to hand. As you adapt to it, you'll find that you really aren't hungry between meals, but in the beginning you may need something. Great low carb snacks include:

• chunks of cheese
• olives
• cucumber/celery
• hard-boiled eggs
• cooked (low carb) sausages

If you're planning on using anything pre-prepared/packaged in your cooking, make sure you've checked the carb count on the back of the packet. It's amazing how something that seems like it should be low in carbs is anything but - because the manufacturers have added sugar, or potato starch, etc.

Make sure that you have read, re-read and read again Bootcamp rules. Ideally save them on to your phone, or print them out and stick them on the fridge. Especially make sure that you've worked out - from Rule 6 - how much water you are going to need to drink each day. The more you weigh, the more water you're going to need to drink.

It can also be a really good idea to keep a food diary - it can be very easy to start with a huge burst of enthusiasm, and then gradually let things start to slip, and then ending up eating stuff you shouldn't, and wonder why the weight isn't shifting. Just reading back through entries from the early weeks can be really helpful here.

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StuntNun · 11/06/2023 16:32

@YappyCamper I use a clean high quality unsweetened whey protein powder for smoothies. If you're not adverse then a tiny quantity of xanthan gum produces a better texture. I make ice-blended smoothies similar to Costa frappes from 100ml whole milk, 50ml double cream, 1 cup crushed ice, 2 tbsp protein powder, 1/3 tsp xanthan gum and a little vanilla powder. They're not great for Bootcamp because they contain milk but they aren't overly carby and they don't have artificial sweeteners. Another idea, if you don't like the idea of protein powder, would be to use frozen strawberries or other berries to thicken it. You would have to watch the carb count though as the carbs in berries add up quickly, and this wouldn't be suitable for the first two weeks of Bootcamp.

@pinknsparkly lettuce is high in vitamin K so don't rule it out too quickly. It isn't just crunchy water!

The "concerns" that AnIntrovert referred to about a high fat diet in pregnancy affecting neurodevelopment are based on mouse models. A typical mouse diet is 6-10% fat. So, if you're a mouse then Bootcamp isn't for you. Also, don't worry about how much carbohydrates you eat as the maternal bloodstream provides the glucose required for normal foetal growth, development and metabolism. Do make sure you're getting enough vitamins and minerals, especially folate. I suggest taking a good quality pregnancy/breastfeeding supplement if you're following Bootcamp during pregnancy or breastfeeding. We tend to recommend going straight to Bootcamp Light by the precautionary principle. The first two weeks of Bootcamp are designed to kickstart weight loss but you will still lose weight by starting straight on Bootcamp Light. If AnIntrovert's wild claims make you worried then just remember that mothers with hyperemesis often can't keep food down at all, so will be in full ketosis, but go on to have perfectly healthy babies.

ditavonteesed · 11/06/2023 17:32

I don't actually think I'll join bootcamp as such as I'm trying not to lose weight 😂, but I'll still chime in and read for support if that's ok. Low carbing makes me feel so much better but I'm still trying to get my head round how to do it and not lose weight. There's a position I never in a million years thought I'd be in.
Obviously not an expert by any standards like some of you guys but I have a fair bit of experience I can hopefully help others with.

prettybird · 11/06/2023 19:21

On the pre-Christmas Boot Camp, we implemented a wee concept of "self care": doing something each week that showed that we are looking after ourselves.

This was actually inspired by @BIWI's name, which stands for "Because I'm Worth It" Smile

I started by committing to getting to bed before midnight - a habit I've mostly kept to but I need to re-commit to it Blush If you can get into the habit of something, you can then add a new thing the following week.

It could be something like booking a hair appointment but appreciate that costs money - or even booking that cervical smear that you've been putting off (the ultimate in self-care and it doesn't cost anything Wink)

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prettybird · 11/06/2023 19:22

@ditavonteesed - your contributions are always well received Flowers

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LadyMcLadyface · 11/06/2023 19:51

pinknsparkly · 10/06/2023 10:41

@LadyMcLadyface you can find them on the spreadsheet, there's a tab called bootcamp lite. In short, we're allowed small quantities of:

  • low carb fruit (ideally berries)
  • nuts and seeds
  • dark chocolate

But not all at once and not in huge quantities! Having done BC while breastfeeding, I would recommend you really focus on your water intake as that's always affected my milk production more than any dietary changes. I'm intending to use the next week to up my water intake in preparation because I'm very hit and miss. I'm either a 2-3l a day girl, or nothing beyond a few cups of tea!

That's really helpful thank you!

Porridgeislife · 11/06/2023 19:53

I’m keen to sign up this time. 11 and a bit months postpartum and still breastfeeding (she just won’t give up) but I really need to start working on my extra 8kg. My SIL raves about what low carb has done for her so I’d like to give it a try.

@pinknsparkly do keep an eye on things as your gestational diabetes team will get very excited about ketones in your wee & blood. I earned myself a weekend in hospital towards the end of my pregnancy with GD because I started eating stricter & stricter low carb to manage it and wasn’t taking on enough carbs & it showed up in my bloods.

YappyCamper · 11/06/2023 20:24

Thanks @StuntNun you've perfectly summarised my dilemma. Don't really want to use protein powder or xanthan gum as they don't feel "clean" but equally frozen berries are quite sweet aren't they and the carbs tot up quickly. I will get through the first two weeks of strict bootcamp and see how I feel about adding berries in then

RebeccaSharp · 11/06/2023 23:34

I haven't done bootcamp before but this thread is really interesting, thank you @prettybird and @BIWI - although the DM article about UPFs was pretty shocking Shock it's a lovely idea about self care too, I could definitely do with taking up that suggestion!

prettybird · 12/06/2023 08:16

I'm sure you'll enjoy it @RebeccaSharp and welcome Flowers

There's a sign up thread over here:
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/lowcarbbootcamp/4824156-summer-2023-bootcamp-thread-sign-up-thread

@FinallyHere will be doing a new Spreadsheet of Fabulousness shortly with the names of those that have signed up on the Weigh In tab unless they've said they don't want to be and there are loads of other good resources within the spreadsheet. If you have a look at any of the Weekly threads for previous boot camps, you'll find it in the first (or possibly second) post.

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BIWI · 12/06/2023 10:04

I actually laughed out loud when I read this, @StuntNun

So, if you're a mouse then Bootcamp isn't for you

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BIWI · 12/06/2023 10:13

@YappyCamper you might like to check out the Fast800 range of shakes - some of them are meal replacements, others are protein drinks.

They're good quality ingredients (although the protein shakes do include artificial sweetener, stevia). I've tried the chocolate and vanilla meal replacement ones, and they were fine. (I made them with unsweetened almond milk and sometimes added 50g of berries too)

Fast800 shakes

Original Shake - Chocolate 2kg (40 servings) - The Fast 800

Rich and delicious, our chocolate shake is a great way to curb cravings, while keeping you full and satisfied with protein, fibre and healthy fats

https://thefast800.com/meal-replacements/original-shakes/original-shake-chocolate-2kg/

prettybird · 12/06/2023 13:10

My bit of additional self care is going to be painting my toe nails and buffing my finger nails. I usually only ever get round to put on nail varnish on holiday. I'm buffing my finger nails first because that always seems to improve their condition - in future weeks, I'll maybe varnish them Smile

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CrystalTits · 12/06/2023 17:43

BIWI · 12/06/2023 10:04

I actually laughed out loud when I read this, @StuntNun

So, if you're a mouse then Bootcamp isn't for you

Grin

Me too, read it in the wee small hours and lay in bed shaking with the giggles :)

How are we all doing today?

I'm trying to take my mind off constant thoughts of food by drinking water and planning ahead to good choices! A piece of Gouda for breakfast, ham omelette with salad for lunch, and then prob cold chicken with celeriac dauphinmouse (I've renamed it in honour of @StuntNun) for dinner. Then an earlier night to avoid the tired-hungry-snacking cycle.

Gingerwarthog · 12/06/2023 17:44

45 minutes reading every day - no interruptions from DD, DH or Dcats

BIWI · 12/06/2023 17:46

LOL at dauphinmouse Grin

Random789 · 12/06/2023 18:37

I love pee the fat away as a motivational mantra to encourage water consumption, prettybird. Grin
I'll try to remember it next time my stomach feels like a water balloon.
Perhaps I should get it engraved on driftwood or some such and display it on my mantelpiece.

StuntNun · 12/06/2023 19:36

That's literally how it works though @Random789 when body fat is used, the waste products are carbon dioxide, which you breathe out, and water, which you pee out.

YappyCamper · 12/06/2023 20:00

BIWI · 12/06/2023 10:13

@YappyCamper you might like to check out the Fast800 range of shakes - some of them are meal replacements, others are protein drinks.

They're good quality ingredients (although the protein shakes do include artificial sweetener, stevia). I've tried the chocolate and vanilla meal replacement ones, and they were fine. (I made them with unsweetened almond milk and sometimes added 50g of berries too)

Fast800 shakes

👍 thank you I will take a look. Week 3 though obviously 😊

NotDonna · 12/06/2023 23:01

@ditavonteesed ‘So, if you're a mouse then Bootcamp isn't for you.’ Made me howl! Then my jaw dropped with your ‘don’t want to lose weight’ - blooming well done you!! Love how this woe is working for you.

I also read the articles and they’re not remotely relevant to this bootcamp. Koko!

NotDonna · 12/06/2023 23:11

Apologies @StuntNun the first part of my post was for you. I’m blaming scrolling difficulty on my phone.

prettybird · 12/06/2023 23:20

I went to the first rugby pre-season training session this evening: I might not be allowed to play but I can at least use it for fitness.

Surprisingly, I wasn't dead at the end of the session ShockGrin (but Angry <= red not angry face), especially given that while I fell off the wagon, I also stopped doing any exercise Blush

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RebeccaSharp · 12/06/2023 23:41

Thank you so much @prettybird , I've added myself to the bootcamp list!

My toenails are always painted (many years of being bashed about at the gym has left them a funny colour!) but I never ever have time to paint my fingernails and let them dry... I'm short on time and money but love having a pedicure once a year if I'm lucky

ditavonteesed · 13/06/2023 05:38

@NotDonna I wish I could take credit for the funniest statement of the year so far 😂. and thanks it's amazing the difference it has made to my life. I remember when I started so many people had a negative opinion on this woe, now a couple of friends and several people at work are doing it (all successfully).
I have done the opposite and stopped painting my toe nails, apparently you shouldn't if you road run because you might miss foot damage.

My self care is that I'm doing a cbt course, finally referred myself through iapt. It's an hour a week plus daily homework and is fantastic.
Only up this early so I can go for a run, pre bootcamp me would not know who I was. Anyone want an embarrassing gym story? Yesterday the gym was full of muscle men and no women, I lifted something far heavier than I should because I felt very self conscious, then all proud of myself my arms started shaking and I couldn't even pick the pole up to put it away, I had to get rescued by one of said muscle men. I was mortified.
@prettybird glad you enjoyed the rugby. Although surely it's not muddy enough for rugby right now.

Anyone starting new I would say the key to the first week or two is prep, plan your meals and don't have stuff you would be tempted by in the house.

NotDonna · 13/06/2023 06:03

I’m a stranger to the gym but I can imagine some being very intimidating. Good for you signing up for CBT! Do you know if that’s helpful for anxiety? Yes, prepping is massively important! I can never rid the house of the high carbs as my youngest is constantly underweight but meal planning is a must!