Week 8 - Low Carb Bootcamp - Only 3 weeks to go ...

[BIWI]

Morning all!

Here's the SoF once again

Hope that the scales are kind to you this morning.

So we enter the last three weeks. Still time to lose some significant weight. But only if you follow the rules!

It's a difficult time of the year, as Christmas goodies start to appear in the shops, and - I'm guessing - at work and at home as well!

You might find it easier to stay focused if you move back onto Bootcamp for the last two weeks, so you're really making sure that the carby stuff that you might have been indulging in - even if that has just been Bootcamp Light.

Thanks stuntnun

Good afternoon.

After a full night either on the loo or with my head down it or lying on the bathroom floor because I couldn’t move, I’m afraid I did eat toast yesterday and this morning. It was the only thing I could face.

Can’t wait to get back to my more usual fare. And next Tuesday is Cook Up A Storm day which will be lots of fun!

drdiva that sounds horrid, hope you’re feeling a bit better now

Diva when you're sick sometimes toast is the best thing as you can keep it down. Think of it as medicine rather than food in this case. I hope you're feeling better soon.

It's pretty freaky how few calories you do consume on this woe, considering the type of food you eat. Below is my food for today:

Prawns with Marie rose. 250 cals
2 x 18g packs pork Scratchings. 220 cals
Sausage casserole - 2 heck sausages cooked with leek and mushrooms in a small amount of passatta, adding chilli, paprika, garlic, 50ml of cream and some butter I'm assigning 500 cals a portion which I think is over estimating

That's less than 1000 calories. Even allowing another 100 cals for milk in coffee that's still a huge calorie defecit for the average person.

Yes, I totted up my calories once out of curiosity and on a fairly average day I was under 1300. Interestingly, I was also insisting to the fat nurse that I needed to drop to around 1200 to lose any weight, and that's a miserable life on low fat.

Always insisting, not also insisting.

Interesting about the calories. I certainly snack a lot less so I guess that’s instantly fewer calories right there.

And thinking of toast as medicine is a great idea!

just added up my calories for the day not including almond milk - yuck how boring that was, id forgotten about the tyranny of my fitness pal

1900

maybe I need to cut back on the butter and olive oil!

Prawns with Marie rose. 250 cals
2 x 18g packs pork Scratchings. 220 cals
Sausage casserole - 2 heck sausages cooked with leek and mushrooms in a small amount of passatta, adding chilli, paprika, garlic, 50ml of cream and some butter I'm assigning 500 cals a portion which I think is over estimating

You see, that doesn't sound like much food at all. I can well believe that is under 1100 cals.

FYI the calories were made up of:
B: two slices of ham with philadelphia inside
L: beefburger with cabbage and spinach fried in olive oil and butter with a dollop of mayo on the side (to make sure I get plenty of fat)
D: bacon and eggs
S: packet pork scratchings

NSV this evening: tried on my size 8 jeans for the first time in a while and I can do hem up whilst standing up (i.e. not lying on the bed desperately trying to persuade the zip work!)!!! Am delighted! They are still tight, the muffin top's appalling and the crotch seems slightly low but I don't care. I also tried on a shirt a few months ago I couldn't do the buttons of up across my hips and it's now baggy!!!!! Was looking out something to wear for a party tomorrow and so I then picked up my old leather skirt on the off-chance (again, size 8): that's what I'm wearing! Am feeling pretty chuffed right now!

Scabbersley - how much of that did you eat because you were hungry and how much did you eat out of habit?

You might find that intermittent/16:8 fasting might help break that habit and reduce your calorie intake.

I've also found that if I choose the day right (for me, it's Friday night through to Saturday night because I spend Saturday supporting ds at rugby and making his team chocolate chip cookies ), a 24 hour fast is quite easy now that I am fat-adapted.

I was 13 stone 4lb this morning - 1lb lower than my Lowvember target - so only 4 and 1/4 lb to go to achieve my Christmas goal

Now I'm off to read the rest of the thread.

NOt hem, zip!!!

Oops - I meant I was 12 stone 4lb - so far lost 37lb since I started at the end of May

I must be abnormal because when I did track calories (when I started HFLC) I ate way more calories than I was when I was trying to lose weight by CC.

Off topic but has anyone ever had a chilblain?

Calorie intake on this woe and eating when hungry is always interesting.

I’ll take today as an example:

I have just eaten my first food for today. Not deliberately because I wanted to restrict, but because I’ve not been hungry at all, and I don’t eat if I’m not hungry.

I have just had about a third of a cucumber and a few cherry tomatoes, calories: negligible, and half a pot of tuna patè, calories: 240.

I will eat dinner in about an hour. Today it is chicken Kiev (Sorry BIWI! However one breast is 14g so for the whole day it comes out ok), calories: 400, with a little root veg mash and a big pile of brocolli, calories: negligible, but let’s say 100 just to be generous with it.

I might have a whiskey with lemon or two later as I’ve a terrible sore throat, calories: 220 ish (for two).

Couple of teas with semi skimmed milk, calories: negligible. One square of chocolate, calories: 60.

That’s all I’ll have today.

So as a very rough estimate, a total of perhaps about 1000, give or take a little.

On another day I might have fancied some nuts halfway through the morning, or I might have had a handful of pork scratchings with my salad, plus an oily dressing. I might have had two squares of chocolate rather than one, or I might have eaten a few veg chips with my dinner. So my total might have been marginally higher. But I’m still operating on a significant deficit overall, and I’m also not provoking the insulin response. As long as I don’t drink alcohol too often, I will be burning fat daily, and I don’t often have to deal with feeling hungry.

I love this woe, and the health and wellness benefits, but it’s not magic, it’s maximisign the way body works to make it work best for weight loss.

@Scabbersley the calorie thing is complicated!

First, it's true that I tell people not to count calories on Bootcamp.

This is because a) it's boring! and b) when you first start low carbing, and you have a fair bit of weight to lose (which most of us do), you really don't need to worry about calories, but focus instead on keeping the carbs low

Second, a calorie isn't a calorie isn't a calorie! A calorie of carbohydrate will have a completely different impact on your body (and your weight) than a calorie of fat. The calorie of fat won't provoke a release of insulin, so you won't lay down fat - whereas the calorie of carbohydrate will.

And that's the problem with following a low calorie diet - it's all about the calories and nothing about the quality of the food you're eating. So if you're following a 1200 calorie a day diet, you could be eating that in pasta, bread, rice, potatoes. Or even cereal - if you're a follower of the Kellogg's cereal diet!

Calories, though, do matter ultimately. Even if your calories are based around fat and protein rather than carbohydrate, there does come a point as you near your target where you will probably have to keep an eye on them.

Recent research (I'm thinking particularly of the work done by the University of Newcastle) has shown that a lower calorie diet can increase our longevity, as well as help us to lose weight.

It's very easy to eat portions of food that are larger than we need. Average plate sizes have increased over the years too, which means it's very easy for us to eat more than we really need. How often do you keep on eating to clean your plate - remembering probably what your mum was telling you! (If you grew up in the 60s you were probably tortured with the whole 'just think about all those starving Biafran children ...')?

And as women, we don't need to eat as much as men - but I bet when we're serving up food, we give our male partners as much as we give ourselves! Certainly if you go to a restaurant you'll get the same size portion.

I agree with you that things like MFP are desperately dull. And I absolutely hate counting calories. So I refuse to do it. But if I were you, I'd look more at your portion sizes rather than cut down on the fat.

sayrra, I get a chilblain on my ear every winter. Drives me crazy with itch.

My first month on BC I guess my calories were high. I never counted, I just did what I was told, but the sensation of hunger used to scare me as it came with the most awful blood sugar crashes, and I'd feel terrible. So the first 3-4 weeks I always had emergency snacks, ate three square meals etc. Then one day I realised I just wasn't hungry any more - and when I did get hungry, it was a totally different feeling, and was confined only to my stomach - no headaches, shakes, sweats, anxiety etc. Just a poke from my stomach that it quite fancied something to eat. It was a complete revelation. Since then, I've dropped all but the very occasional snack, and I tend to eat only twice a day. I know my portion sizes have dropped as well, and I rarely clear my plate now. But it's not in a punitive way. I've promised my poor battered body that if it's hungry, then it will be fed, but I won't stuff food into it in a panic like I did before. Plus I eat a LOT of vegetables - and I mean a lot. So my meals are based round vegetables and fats, with a bit of protein on the side.

Plus I feel well - full of beans well. I've turned into a regular Pollyanna in fact - I was always tired and sad before.

I wish I'd never tried oppo salted caramel.

It was amaaaaazing

Scabbersley - how much of that did you eat because you were hungry and how much did you eat out of habit?

I ate three meals. As recommended. I am not interested in fasting particularly although I have done it in the past.

I had 2 eggs and three rashers of streaky bacon.

One hamburger and lots of cabbage and spinach

Two slices of ham and two heaped teaspoons of philly

Not huge portions!!

It's the fat!! I may have overestimated on mfp

Evening all.
Would anyone mind looking at the Sunday lunch menu of this pub and advising me what might be a sensible choice. Nothing is jumping out at me.
Thanks.

Duh - sorry - this pub menu...
www.lassorichmondhill.co.uk/food-drink/?menu=7084

No! It's not the fat! You need to eat the fat. Low carbing is a high fat way of eating.

Your meals look fine to me (although I might try not to have ham and bacon on the same day - but I'm being picky here!)

You're still losing weight, so what are you concerned about? It's working for you, so KOKO.