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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 4 Low Carb Bootcamp - Keep on keeping on

716 replies

BIWI · 03/02/2014 08:28

Morning.

I see that some of us are struggling.

I see that there is a lot of cheating.

Hmm. I wonder if there is a connection Grin

Seriously folks, this is not a terribly forgiving WOE. The idea of Bootcamp Light was to give you a bit more flexibility, but not to send you spiralling into a chocolate and alcohol-fuelled frenzy!

Come and confess all on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness or on your own personal Weight Tracker

Remember that weight loss may stop in weeks 3 and 4 - sometimes 5. It takes this long for your body to become keto adapted, i.e. to switch fully from carb-burning to fat-burning.

And if you're continually pushing up your daily carb intake, all you are doing is delaying this process

Hope you all have a good week.

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PrimalLass · 04/02/2014 12:30

Trashcan, that must have been horrible. However, you could always send them lots and lots of links to primal/paleo etc sites. The success stories on Marks Daily Apple always do it for me.

The best thing you can do is lose loads of weight this way and stick up two fingers to them.

PrimalLass · 04/02/2014 12:32

I was up 1lb this morning, which gave me the rage. However, after a long powerwalk I had a rather worrying last half mile home and lets just say that 1lb is gone Blush So if anyone is gaining and losing the same lb, try instigating some 'runner's bum' Grin

Nice.

Ilisten2thesoundofdrums · 04/02/2014 12:43

Feeling a bit fed up this week.
We are hosting students and I have to feed them all meals. Ds already has lots of allergies and one of the students is lactose intolerant - so another problem into the mix. I am finding it difficult to make meals that are Low Carb and that comply with all these requirements without looking like I'm feeding them odd food, and without eating different food myself.

I have sinned and had a small slice of the apple pie I made for everyone else on Sunday, and yesterday I succumbed to cravings and had a packed of salt and vinegar crisps ( despite a sweet tooth its really the crisps I miss!)
I fell bad about the cheating, but I suppose it could have been worse and I could have fallen completely off the wagon.
So off to get soya yoghurt to cook with now, to replace dairy!

Sorry to moan - just wanted to get it off my chest!

CointreauVersial · 04/02/2014 12:44

I love almond butter, and have a jar lurking in my cupboard.

But can anyone suggest something low-carb to eat it on?

No, don't say "a spoon". Grin

PrimalLass · 04/02/2014 12:50

Celery, or cucumber slices.

Ilisten2thesoundofdrums · 04/02/2014 13:04

The Parmasan biscuits in the recipie thread? I haven't tried them myself as we can't have nuts in the house.

ThatYoghurtWontPotItself · 04/02/2014 13:13

almond butter is like crack for me, i can't have it in the house

MrsHughJarse · 04/02/2014 13:30

Its a lunchtime ' shit shout' Grin

I would like to report that whilst my weight loss has been slow , not very exciting measured and controlled and sustainable long term Smile. I can get a pair of trousers on that have been at the middling to thin end of my wardrobe haven't been down that end of the wardrobe for yearsGrin

trashcan you can lick my dust anytime, am sure its low carb - there has been nothing carby in the house Grin sorry to hear you are having probs with those around you . " apples are so important " sounds like it is coming form the land of carbytwatdom to me ..... and would LOVE to see your Leo impression !( and your lowcarb hakka - ? you tube ?)

Good luck to the guys on the dairy free blitz chester u-turn hero - 2lbs already !!Shock watching with interest although fear i may die without cheese, rupreck elbombero et al

crabby Grin at 'siren song of wine', how beautifully that explains the feeling when I dash in from work with 3x DDs, all hungry all with things to tell me 'urgently' - all at once ! I squash the feeling though until bathtime is done and the older girls have done their homework before my inner Gin wierdo is released Grin !

crabby again - I love the Elephant metaphore - My name is Hugh Jarse and today - I have control of my Elephant !

primal lass I feel your anguish - that has happened to me once before.... I no longer run....

willie/yoghurt crack for me too - I have only just recovered from the nut binge

Ruprekt · 04/02/2014 13:42

Had a small splosh milk in my tea.....Hmm

Had 2 fried eggs, ham and cucumber with mayo for lunch.

3 glasses water.

Weighed myself and am 176lb which is good.

However, I have not been below this since I started low carbing in Jan 2013. And I low carbed for most of last year!

SteeleyeStan · 04/02/2014 13:44

Yet another doctor recommends this WOE! Grin

I'll catch up properly later; just wanted to share that my "urgent" appointment to see the consultant was nothing serious - just adjusting dosages and talk of future treatment and some minor stuff. Not sure what was urgent about it, but always glad to have a quick appointment for no bad news, than the other way around!

Anyway, I hadn't seen this consultant before and didn't mention anything about LC, but when talking about still wanting to lose some more weight she said "Just avoid those carbohydrates, and you'll do fine." :)

Managed a perfectly low carb lunch out in a pub, too.
Anyway, must dash, back later.

tenementfunster · 04/02/2014 14:01

Not much movement here.. Too many sausages.
I will be sulking this week but keeping on keeping on. Without the sausages

EvaTheOptimist · 04/02/2014 14:19

Chipping I can't believe you've just completely STS Sad. I wish it would work for you.

Wow Trashcan that was a bit heavy from your friends. I'm sorry, I know how upsetting it is when my mum/MIL/SIL wade in. It is none of their business. Can you imagine saying similar criticisms of their diets back to them in such a rude way? Thought not. "Its not cutting out a food group I'm eating loads of veg which have carbs" is the only non-contentious thing you can say. and by the way, from all I've read and I feel I've read a lot now, this WOE is NOT DANGEROUS.

I'm already steeling myself for a big family get-together in 2 weeks - many of them won't have seen me since I was carrying 3 extra stones. I look quite different. BUT I bet some of them tell me its unhealthy ANYWAY.

Chester 2lb down!

Nell put the chocolate down!

Great post Crabby

Good news about the urgent appointment Steeleye AND the doctors advice.

Today I've reached a new not-seen-before low of 11 stone exactly. WOW. I didn't know it was possible for me.

StuntNun · 04/02/2014 14:23

Can I add to Crabby's post about giving the carb cravings a chance to subside that it really can reprogram the way you view food. After a few months low carbing I remember walking into a Costa and thinking, "No nothing to eat here." Of course I was looking at a counter full of sandwiches and cakes but where before I would have liked nothing better than a latte and a piece of cake, without the carb addiction they were suddenly a lot less appealing I still miss lattes though.

ChippingInWadesIn · 04/02/2014 14:36

SteeleyeStan - that's FAB on both counts!! (I hope you told them they had needlessly worried you though - they should have just said what the apt was for!) Flowers

Chester - you crack me up!

2lbs down on yesterdays WI, so 8lbs down since Jan 1. Maybe I did overreact a little yesterday

RatherBeOnThePiste · 04/02/2014 14:46

I can't keep up with you all Sad

GatoradeMeBitch · 04/02/2014 15:39

Tell me about it Piste! I tried to make notes from the chat thread but it would have taken many hours, and we're only on week 4.

I had cod for lunch (and will also have it for dinner, I underestimated how much cod was in the packet) and the sauce turned out lovely this time - just a mix of Total yogurt, DeLouis mayo, plenty of parmesan and salt to season.

Thumbwitch · 04/02/2014 16:26

Things that annoy me on behalf of all of you with unsupportive friends/family:

• This is NOT a no carb diet, you get plenty of vegetables in it, so aren't missing out on anything.
• Sugar is NOT a requirement in our diets. Some complex carbs are, yes, but starch isn't either. We can make our own sugar. There is a process called gluconeogenesis (literally glucose-new-creation) whereby we breakdown other things such as amino acids or fatty acids into their carbon skeleton and then reassemble them into glucose. OUR BODIES CAN DO THIS! Therefore we do NOT need to take it in! (Unlike vitamins and essential minerals).
• It reminds me of the way people behave when you try to give up smoking or drinking, if they still smoke or drink. They try and entice you, they say shit like "one won't hurt!", or "when did you get so boring" to try and bring you down again. Because they don't like the fact that you are striving upwards to attain a goal, while they're not - it makes them uncomfortable.
• It shows how deeply brainwashed people have become into believing the diet industry shit that "fat bad, low fat good". This entrenched belief is going to be VERY hard to shift. Heart Foundations do nothing to help this belief - with only low fat products getting the "heart foundation seal of approval" - bah! Mostly based on false assumptions and incorrect analysis of data.
• It also shows how well the sugar industry did their job of ensuring that it was fat that was demonised, and not sugar.

I remember reading a "diet myths" book some years ago, in which it was stated to be a myth that too much sugar makes you fat. HOnestly! A fucking MYTH. No, it isn't. It's a biochemical truth.

I taught a student once who was so brainwashed into the "fat BAD, low fat GOOD" message, that she couldn't break the habit, even after doing a dietary analysis and discovering that her fat intake was way too low, by the Govt food health intake guidelines (50% calories from carbs, 35% calories from fats, 15% calories from proteins) - she was supposed to be suggesting an alternative diet that would match those figures, and she couldn't do it because she kept on suggesting low fat products. Rather than mark her down on it, I took her aside and had a discussion with her - she was horrified at the idea that you should eat more fat!!

It just all makes me very cross. In the end though, you have to do what is right for YOU and ignore the nay-sayers. That's what I've done for years! People may scoff at my reasons for not eating certain foods, but it's made my life a hell of a lot better, removing my IBS and acid reflux and various other gut issues that I used to have - what's not to like? Just nod and smile and when you weigh stones less than before they'll have to admit that they were wrong.

teaandthorazine · 04/02/2014 16:29

I have bought sprout tops. I don't know why. They looked healthy and they were reduced in Twatrose. Wtf can do I do with them?

I have some pork which I was going to stir fry - do you think I can stir fry the sprout tops too? Or will they be too...sprouty?

I also bought almond butter. Blimey. Whoever said down thread that it was like crack is right. I have spent the last ten mins trying to remove it from the roof of my mouth, though...

Thumbwitch · 04/02/2014 16:35

Today I have had:
B - 2 slices of cheese
L - leftover salad with baby bocconcini (mozarella balls) and avocado
D - turkey steak schnitzel, using lupin flour and parmesan cheese rather then breadcrumbs - yum! - and stuffed with Boursin; swede chips cooked in olive oil and salt, and carrots and asparagus.
S - ultra low carb protein bar.
Not enough water again but down 2lb from yesterday.

I had my first cup of coffee for aaaages this morning - very weak, small amount of milk (PTA meeting so no access to cream!) and OMG, my breath afterwards!! tasted worse than hangover-mouth! Shock

teaandthorazine · 04/02/2014 16:38

Quite right thumbwitch [nods]

It is amazing what people will come out with. And how twisted our ideas of 'good food' and 'healthy' have become. I have a dear friend who was horrified at the idea of eating an avocado, because it was 'too fatty'. An avocado ffs. But she will quite happily wave fucking weightwatchers biscuits in my face and then tell me I'm weird because how could I possibly not want one when they're only 20 calories or some such bollocks.

They may 'only be 20 calories' but they are packed with artificial shite and - actually a worse crime imo - taste like crap.

I now take some delight in watching my friends' and colleagues' faces when I pour cream into my morning coffee but refuse cake. You can see their brains almost exploding with the effort of processing such deviant behaviour...

CrabbyWinterBottom · 04/02/2014 16:38

I'm back with a cup of tea - am aiming only to have maximum of two cups a day this week unlike my usual gallon.

Not and Chipping that lack of weightloss is very bloody annoying. It'll surely start to come off soon. Can you do some sort of sacrifice to the whoosh fairy? Wink

Sue well done for keeping the faith, and yes I bet it's your body adjusting to actually having a normal amount of food.

Grin Athel I only wish I could learn from your mistakes instead of my own and I don't seem to learn from mine, either.

Thanks for the threat of a bootcamp boot up the arse Chipping Grin I'm feeling a bit more sensible today.

Trash Shock at your friends! Managing T1DM (especially in a child) is a very particular skill to have, and does not mean that she knows anything about low carb diets, or about how people with or at risk of T2DM should eat. Mind you, it's not too many generations ago that the ketogenic diet was prescribed for children with T1DM. It upset me when my friend was a bit patronising and totally wrong on Friday, so I can imagine you're feeling gutted at such an onslaught. Sad Sounds like you made your position very clear though, and it's brilliant that your DH is so on board with this.

ThatYoghurtWontPotItself · 04/02/2014 16:42

tea sprout tops are delicious, dp's parents did them at christmas - steamed and then tossed in butter

Woolfey · 04/02/2014 16:43

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Thumbwitch · 04/02/2014 16:44

Agree crabby - the diets for Type I DM and Type II DM should be completely different - but are they fuck if you go to the dietitians! I know 2 people with incipient type II DM who were given the "diabetes diet sheet" and the amount of carbs they were supposed to eat was ridiculous! Perfect for someone on insulin; but absolute shit for anyone trying to avoid medication for type II DM. Unfortunately one of these people was my mother, who signally failed at any point to believe I might have more information at my fingertips than her doctor.

I asked a doctor once how much nutrition training they got - I think it was maybe 2 days out of the whole 5 years? and it might have been optional, can't remember. Hmm

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