Week 4 Low Carb Bootcamp - Keep on keeping on

[BIWI]

Morning.

I see that some of us are struggling.

I see that there is a lot of cheating.

Hmm. I wonder if there is a connection

Seriously folks, this is not a terribly forgiving WOE. The idea of Bootcamp Light was to give you a bit more flexibility, but not to send you spiralling into a chocolate and alcohol-fuelled frenzy!

Come and confess all on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness or on your own personal Weight Tracker

Remember that weight loss may stop in weeks 3 and 4 - sometimes 5. It takes this long for your body to become keto adapted, i.e. to switch fully from carb-burning to fat-burning.

And if you're continually pushing up your daily carb intake, all you are doing is delaying this process

Hope you all have a good week.

Pseudo Badger - Is it because of the sweetners in it.

'fraid so jill

sweeteners are not allowed on bootcamp - we're trying to get away from artificial ingredients, the urge for sweet flavours, and also there is some evidence (disputed) to suggest that they might interfere with weight loss if that's your aim see here

you can have limited amounts on bootcamp light (really no more than a couple of times a week), but 6 pints of squash plus sugar-free jelly would sadly be too much really

otherwise your food looks great - hopefully you added fat to lunch and supper?

Morning losers!

Have got a new set of scales arriving today, as I'm sure my old, knackered ones are consistently weighing me 4lbs heavier than I actually am [deluded]

trash, sorry to hear about your lack of support. I do find it a bit bizarre that people think it's ok to comment on what a sentient, educated adult chooses to eat. I know it's coming from a place of love (probably) but it's hugely irritating. For example, I have several vegan friends. Veganism is something that utterly baffles me, in all honesty, but it would be incredibly rude of me to say so. And even ruder to point out how ill they all look all the time . But they have no issue with telling me that my WOE is not only unhealthy but morally reprehensible...ho hum.

Anywayyyy, welcome to jill! Hope you're enjoying BC. Squash isn't ideal, tbh - do you think you could start to replace a few of those pints with plain water? The idea is to try and avoid artificial sweeteners/foods as much as possible - so sugar-free jelly and squash on a daily basis are really a no-no. Other than that, looks good - enjoy your bacon and butter

That's right, (I had missed the jelly as well!) a big part of bootcamp is breaking our sweet tooth, also I think there is some evidence about sweeteners creating a similar insulin response to sugar
Do you not like plain water?

2lbs down on yesterdays WI, so 8lbs down since Jan 1. Maybe I did overreact a little yesterday

First dairy free day today.Bring on the whoosh!

I can only tolerate water. I have drunk s/f squash for years so hard to break. My only addiction lol

I'm going to go dairy free from Weds-Fri. I need to make up for an indiscretion I ate a white Magnum icecream at my friends house last night. I'm so annoyed because she barely had to nag me at all. I didn't like the dinner I made myself so I left a lot of it and was a bit hungry when I went out. But I'm paying for it this morning! I won't go into the gory details but I think I have to stay near to the toilet for a while yet. I'm surprised a bit of sugar has done this to me. On the plus side the scales are telling me I've lost 2lbs...

Gatorade sugar messes me up big style now as well. I think it's something to do with low carbing inducing a state of insulin resistance. Not in the traditional 'bad for you' sense but your muscles decrease their glucose uptake so that any glucose in your blood is preferentially used by the brain which needs it whereas your muscles run fine on free fatty acids (you know that are being released by your fat cells ). But it does mean when you get a sudden influx of sugar you're less able to process it than when you were accustomed to eating lots of carbs.

el bombero, sybil, evanhoozami, betty big balls

woolfey - So right! No it doesn't. The particular sentence coming back to me this morning was 'apples are so important. Gah! I felt really pissed off at their tactics - Basically anything I read is 'pseudo science' anything they know is FACT and in any case, they don't fucking want to know anything I have to say on the subject, which I'm aware of, which is why I never bring my food into conversation.

I'm seething but I do know that it comes from a worried/loving place from both of them, but yes it is very controlling. After my vocal friend had left (she was gutted I'd cried, and very sorry, but stood by what she'd said, and is insisting I read her low gi cookbook, regardless of the fact I told her repeatedly I'm happy with what I'm eating) my other friend was feeling very awkward, but re-iterated that she 'doesn't do diets', or want to hear about diet culture, and feels that I'm obsessed with food and very controlling of it, and that 'poor' dp has no choice but to follow what I'm doing. He was like when he heard, and very supportive of our WOE. I said in the end, and they grudgingly agreed, that we'll have to agree to differ. >>disclaimer - yes I am obsessed with food - bc or otherwise. This WOE however, gives me a measure of control, feelings of satiety, and yes, ability to lose weight.moves around breathing heavily and gritting teeth like Leo in 'wolf of wall street<

I also said to my friend, that I had turned to this because I have had success with it in the past , and at the moment I am unable to move around in the same way as I normally can. I have severe hypermobilty and and ongoing problem with the ligament in my right ankle - I've had to wear a moon boot/cast for most of the last year as it's completely unstable, and I'll be having surgery soon to hopefully sort it out, BUT my weight has shot up since my mobility went down, and I have been told by my foot specialist that I must lose weight for the good of my poor feet and legs - as well as generally anyway. I walk for the major part of my job (which has been interesting to say the least for the past ten months) so WHAT ELSE CAN I DO? Okay... no helpful suggestions? Then FUCK OFF

Phew. EPIC SUPER POST Okay, breathing normally again and moving forwards. Thank you everybody - it's bloody marvellous to come on here and feel so excellently loved and supported. It means the world to me.

Welcome Jill pardon me for being so 'out there' this morning - usually I'm very demure and yes you'd better ditch your sweeties before BIWI comes along later with her big stick and thwacks you

I feel strongly that dairy has not been my friend. I'm also reducing my veg and portion sizes slightly. Still eating a good amount though!

Breakfast this morning was 2 scrambled eggs cooked in butter and with bacon fat, plus two rashers of bacon.

Large peppermint tea and am halfway through my first bottle of water.

does low carb hakka

That's really interesting to know StuntNun. It's probably a good thing actually, the next time I eye up something sugary while still on bootcamp I'll be aware that a very upset stomach will be part of the deal!

i love the idea of a low carb hakka

jill as teaandthorazine says, can you start by replacing some of the squash with water and slowly increase the water and decrease the squash?

Ok first dairy free day

Brekky: 1 black coffee n 2 green teas
Lunch: gammon with cabbage fried in butter
Tea: tuna n prawn salad.
S: pepperoni

Can I have mayo if I'm dairy free?

Aye ElBombero mayo is dairy free. Just eggs and oil so a great thing on this WOE. I know what you mean though, it does seem like it should be dairy.

I am living proof this woe works:) been doing it for a year now and before my dm passed away, she said " but me and your dad and all you dc ate like this! With carbs every now and then if you wanted, ie potatoes and bread." Apparently it was only when we all left home we got into eating badly:)

I had a friend who lectured me for ages about how unhealthy it was. She didn't listen at all, so I just interrupted and said " look, we'll have to agree to disagree on this"

I don't want a giant bowl of pasta. It makes me sleepy, upsets my innards:) and is not of much nutritional value. Its a filler. Better to have meat and veg, etc, but ,of course its more expensive, so a lifestyle choice in some ways as well.

i find that it's not really any more expensive, because i will eat the same portion of meat and veg/salad as before and be just as full as if i'd had the carbs too. and the fullness lasts longer because i'm in ketosis and don't ahve the blood sugar high/low

it probably was more expensive to start with becasue i would eat more to combat the carb cravings , but now my appetite has settled down (except just before my period when it ramps up)

i don't buy all the snacky carbs too, which keeps costs down. on the other hand i don't have children so i don't have the food costs associated with them, though i do have a DP who still eats carbs

i don't have meat every day, either - i still have pasta sauces but with courgettes etc

i suppose if you previously ate lots of pulses and root veg you would notice the difference, but i never did because they give me terrible wind! so maybe my food was more expensive that other people's to start with, i don't know

Morning all.

Sorry about your friends Trash. I had similar from a friend. Who has done some kind of nutrition course. I pointed out I eat far more veg now than I did and said I was basically cutting down on carbs in general but cutting out 'crap' carbs. People seem to accept that more.

Welcome Jill. BIWI will be hyperventilating at your 6 pints of SF squash!

Chester - loving your WW to SW to Paul McKenna day! I thought I was the only one to do that. And I can go through them all in a morning!

Oh the shame... I couldn't understand why my epic post earlier wouldn't actually post, and I've just realised it's because I'd exceeded the MN maximum word count. I've shouted so much shit that it censored me! I'll have to split the post. I didn't get anywhere near the end of the thread, either.

Great post from Googoo and I can echo that too.

I lost 24lbs, so nearly 2st, last summer on bootcamp. This isn't a crash diet that will drop vast amounts of weight quickly (apart from the glycogen/water at the start), but a sustainable, enjoyable way to lose weight which gives multiple health benefits. I also don't think it's the only way to lose weight and keep it off, but for me personally it' the one which suits me best. For me the 5:2 is hopeless because as soon as I'm really hungry my will power flies out of the window and hunter-gathers lots of unsuitable foods for me to fall into. Low GI is also a healthy way of eating, ime, but you have to watch the fat content and I seem much more likely to stray into refined carbs and fall off the wagon, whereas low carb seems to really reset my palate.

It is hard to begin with, there's no denying that. Carbs, sugar and comfort/emotional eating are very hard habits to break. I have always been a person of excess, and was lucky that I got away with eating absolute shit and not really gaining weight until my thirties. I always knew it would catch up with me eventually, especially once I gave up smoking and various other vices. I don't want to live from one sugar (or any other kind of) high to the next, and I don't want to feel the need to dive into a tempting carb or glass of wine every time I'm upset about something. As I've said before, my issue is as much/more with emotional drinking than eating, I think, although I definitely do both. I find it much easier to resist the siren song of the wine when I'm low carbing because I can more easily close down the dialogue in my wheedling brain when I'm not hungry/craving sugar.

But, and it's a BIG BUT... The sugar cravings only subside if you really do give it a couple of weeks of hardcore discipline. If you're still having slips and mistakes, it just feeds the addictive cycle - your body doesn't get a chance to reset itself and start to taste the natural sweetness in non-carby foods. For the people who have wobbled/are wobbling/will wobble (because we all wobble at various points, I know I do), please try to keep in mind that if you can just resist for one or two solid weeks (and I mean no slips at all), then the sugar cravings do subside. When you've had a shit day, or a wonderful social invitation, or there's a pizza/cake/biscuit/whatever sitting in front of you, just chant "it's just for today/a week/two weeks/ten weeks/whatever time scale you can deal with, i've got the rest of my life to comfort eat/go out for a meal/eat takeaway". If after a few properly low carb weeks you're still hating the food then maybe this WOE isn't for you, but give it a chance. I also think that during that time, although it's really hard to do so, don't focus too much on the weight loss. The point is to break the sugar addiction and change habits, and I really do feel that a body which has been subjected to lots of diets and weight fluctuations has become conditioned to hold onto the fat for grim death. Trust, I think, is what is needed, both in the rational brain in trusting that this WOE will work and is worth sticking with, and trust within the body that it's not suddenly going to be deprived and hungry again.

I read a very good book recently called The Happiness Hypothesis, and he talks about our rational mind (the cerebral cortex, basically) being the rider sitting atop the elephant of our subconscious and instinctive brain (that's a massive simplification of what he says, actually, but I'm happy to go into more detail if anyone's interested). So we, the rider, can make all of these idealistic plans about giving up carbs and sugar, but if our elephant spies a doughnut and, in true Homer style goes "Mmmmm.... doughnuts....", there's sometimes sweet FA we can do to stop it charging over there and gobbling it up.

Wow I'm really shouting the shit this morning, aren't I! I got a bit carried away.

Willie and LittleMiss aha, it's actually called 'Gourmet Low Carb' and is by Sara Lewis, so that'll be me getting the title wrong. Clearly not the same book then.

Grumpy have you measured? If you're doing lots of exercise then you could well be putting on muscle in place of fat, which weighs more.

Chester good to see you back!

Hugh thank you. I think it's all caught up with me a bit. i was hoping to have skyped her by now but they're on an island with not much internet connection. xDP is emailing me regularly though. Yay for your newfound cleanliness!

Seri and Goo I peel, dice and roast celeriac in plenty of olive oil and smoked paprika (pimenton) with a few cloves of garlic (not peeled) and a couple of halved shallots. Then DP likes his just roasted chunks but I then puree mine with a stick blender with the soft roasted garlic added in. Makes a fantastic mash.

Well done pretty and hope you made up with your DH!

Scratch hope you're feeling better.

Thanks Pnut. There were some nice soup recipes in the book I was slagging off, if you still want some.

Oh my word, I've written an epic here and still lots more of the thread to read. Am going to have to pause awhile and do other stuff!

crabby that is hysterical that you exceeded the word limit! who knew there was one?!

Fellow non-losers - make sure you're taking measurements too! I haven't lost weight overall [my own fault] but an inch has gone from my waist, yippee, and my thighs are looking slimmer (though haven't been measuring them). Hips still as monstrous as ever, but hey ho.

Good post crabby, that's how I deal with the 'ooh, I really feel like eating (enter food of choice) right now' times. I remember someone saying something really similar on the first bootcamp I did a couple of years ago (I lost about a stone by the end).
I say it to myself whenever I get those times, it's fine, I can eat it if I want, no one can stop me, I'm an adult etc. BUT if I eat it I will undo all I have gone through (I had serious carb flu, even biwi suggested I eat a smidge of porridge ) and I might not stop at one.
It's not the last time we'll ever be able to eat (insert food), we will, at some point in the future be able to have some/it. But it will be when WE say so, not these carby cravings.

Not had chance to read back as just checking in on my lunch - so a bit of shit shouting going on.

Day going well so far. Two litres of water down. Dairy free breakfast - tick. Dairy free lunch - tick.

Got a little pot of butter and coconut oil with me to make a bullet proof coffee for this afternoon, but will have to be cunning and do it when the kitchen at work is empty as I just imagine the comments if anyone spots me!

How's the other dairy free-ers getting on?