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Mums stopping contact with Dads

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angell84 · 28/08/2019 23:40

I would just like to share my story, because it really might help some mum's to see the bigger picture - in allowing their child contact with their Dad.

My Dad was from England and my mum was from a different European country.
When they divorced we all lived in England for a time and she began to let us see him less and less. He had to go to court to fight for access. Can I add here that my Dad was a lovely man, and I wanted to see him every week - but I had no power or control. My mother had all the power.

She then took us to her home country of birth without his permission. He had police looking for us for a long time. She then lied to police that he had hit her. And told him that he would be arrested if he came to her country. She told us awful things about him

. She forced me to write letters to him saying awful things to him. I didnt want to write them. I had no say. I had no power to see my father whatsoever. Years passed and my teenage brother eventually had a break down and was put into an adolescent psychiatric unit. He told health workers there that he hadn't seem his dad in years and he needed to see them. They were finally able to make my mother allow my father to see us at the health centre. This was after five years. I still remember my Dad walking in, hugging us and hysterically crying. That is seared into my heart.

Then the war began again with him and my mother. She psychologically abused him into the ground. She would tell him we were going over for visits, then not let us go at the last minute, not tell him and make him drive hours to the airport and make him wait for us there. Again she made me write awful things to him.

My broke my father down and my father committed suicide three years ago. I am an adult now, every day I wake up in the morning - and my first thought is total pain and rage at all what happened. And pain and rage at the system that puts the mother's rights over the father's.

To mothers out there - you have the power. Please, please be compassionate and let the fathers of your children see their children. It causes unending pain to the father AND to the children when you seperate them.

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ThighThighOfthigh · 02/09/2019 08:48

I watched a programme about a former couple who were successfully 50/50 their child. They said they reframed their relationship from ex partner to co parent and were businesslike with each other.

That requires two sensible, stable people. There's the problem of trusting that the other parent will work with rather than against you.

ThighThighOfthigh · 02/09/2019 08:51

To be child rather than self centred requires self control, maturity and clarity. All passion spent. Me and my 2nd xh were very good and sensible because we had learned from horrendous 1st divorces.

hsegfiugseskufh · 02/09/2019 09:42

To be child rather than self centred requires self control, maturity and clarity

it does, and unfortunately many people are not mature, and have no self control and all they want is revenge, and they don't give a shit what that will do to their children.

The difference between stopping access (for a good reason) and parental alienation is that you'd be stopping access FOR THE WELFARE OF THE CHILD. Parental alienation is to get revenge or cause hurt to the other parent, and usually causes hurt and damage to the child as well.

We cannot ignore that parental alienation happens, we cant allow it to be ok, and we cant keep screaming "but DV Happens!" because mostly that's irrelevant. In a case with DV it most likely wouldn't be PA.

We have to realise that RP's (usually women) have the power to do this, and IT DOES HAPPEN, and probably more frequently than we know.

Just because the majority of victims of PA are men, DOES NOT mean that we should dismiss it, or ignore it, or make excuses for why its ok.

I hate the stance that women's behaviour should never be challenged. It damn well should. Women can be abusive, they can be shit parents, they can manipulate, they can lie. We need to remember this because a lot of the time its brushed under the carpet because "theyre hurting" or whatever. You wouldn't let a man get away with it, don't let women get away with it.

PA is child abuse imo.

angell84 · 02/09/2019 20:36

@Gogreenwhy did she keep you away from him , did she say?

Sadly, my moher's personality is just vindictive and controlling. She said that she didn't want to have anything to do with him again, and so she didn't want us to see him again either. I know that she did it to hurt him, and because us children had such a loving bond with him - she was jealous.

I have to say: I am in so much deep pain over this every day, it does not seem to be healing.

I have the pain of :
Not being able to see him for most of my life
Not being able to see my grandmother for most of my life
In my case: pain at being taken away from my culture and everthing I know - to a different culture where I didn't live
Pain at his pain and pain at his suicide

Obviously I am not close to my mother either so I am pretty alone.

I often wonder what I am supposed to be doing here, to just be living and be in pain every day. I don't really find joy in anything. It is a very sad existence. I am going to try and get back into volunteerig with others worse off than me. It might give me a feeling of "there is still some reason why i am here"

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angell84 · 02/09/2019 20:36

*where I didn't want to live

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ThighThighOfthigh · 02/09/2019 22:16

I feel so sorry for your pain OP, bereavement is just awful.

angell84 · 02/09/2019 22:24

Thank you @thighthighofthigh ❤️

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LemonadePockets · 02/09/2019 22:31

I am so so sorry to read this :(

I worry about my own father so very much, he’s been locked in a 10+ year battle to see his child. The mother has told so many heinous lies, she has time and time again got away with contempt of court, ignoring court orders for visitation etc.. finally a time came where a special hearing was going ahead with reports by various psychologists and child welfare staff. She had subjected the child to such traumatic ‘parental alienation’ that the child now has mental health problems and I think that should be punishable as a form of emotional abuse! The case came round, she pulled a stunt to ensure she didn’t need to attend and the case couldn’t go ahead. She continuously gets away with this all the while turning the child against a loving, caring father who wants to see his child.

I have no doubt there are plenty of deadbeat dads out there but there are deadbeat mums too. Bitter and twisted women who play god with their children and the sad fact is many are never held accountable for their behaviour.

I am so sorry your dad ended his life, your mother should be disgusted with herself.

angell84 · 03/09/2019 13:44

I was really feeling at my lowest point over this last week. I was not wanting to be here, I was wanting to join him, the only thing that was keeping me here was nothing to do with myself - but that I couldn't do it to my brother. I can't leave him.

I had a dream about my Dad last night and he said "my love for you was bigger than anything that she could do, I am still here, you are going to be okay and we will see each other again".

So I feel a little more strength to get on with my life now.

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Mum56347 · 03/09/2019 21:25

" I don't think women should be expected to sort out men aswell! Men need to get a grip of other men abusing women and men, I don't see how this is a womens issue really, other than to support other women who have suffered it. "
-Smotheroffive

Who said this is a "womens issue"?

Kennyy · 05/09/2019 16:09

Some men are deadbeat dads but I thought this thread was supposed to be about child alienation.

hsegfiugseskufh · 05/09/2019 16:49

it was supposed to be, but some posters cannot or will not accept that it happens, and so try and change the subject onto something that seems to be a more universally acceptable topic - how shit and awful men are.

angell84 · 06/09/2019 10:15

Parental alienation IS child abuse. Again I am not judging mums. I just hope that one good thing from my deep pain is that it might be a teaching tool. It is so easy adter a break up to say "I do not want anything to do with that man again so I do not want my children to have anything to do with that man again". And not think from the child's side.

There is nothing worse than being kept away from your father and grandparents. I am in my thirties, and I cry every single day. It has really ruined my whole life. Being kept from your other parent, is a very bad abuse. It is the worst heart break that I ever had.

I joined a group of people online who have also suffered from parental alienation. Their stories are all like mine, with many tragedies and suicides. We try to comfort each other.

I talk to a woman every week, who's parent took her to the other side of the country, and would not let her see her other parent. And the parent that she was taken away from, also committed suicide like mine.

Oh Sadness, sadness, sadness.

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bibliomania · 06/09/2019 13:21

Surely we can all agree:

  • Stopping access for inappropriate reasons is wrong.
  • Stopping access for appropriate reasons is right.

Some people think it's mostly the former, some people think it's mainly the latter. The real issue in any given case is whether is whether "appropriate reasons" exist in that case.

Sorry for your pain, angell.

PeppermintPatty10 · 06/09/2019 13:53

OP your story is heartbreaking. I really feel your pain, reading it through.
You’ve opened yourself up to readers on here to try and prevent this happening to another family, knowing that you would probably come under some attack, and this is truly admirable.

I think you need to talk to someone though. Your sadness at your father’s suicide as well as the events leading up to it, though understandable, seem to be taking over your thoughts. There are lots of different therapies, such as CBT, that your GP can recommend.
Please take this seriously and look after your mental health.

angell84 · 06/09/2019 23:30

Yes it is taking over my thoughts. My Dad's family do not speak to me because they do not like my mother. My mum's parents were dead before I was born.

I never had any grandparents, never had a father, never had any uncles and aunts.

I have always been so alone in this world and it has always been a massive struggle. I would love a father, a grandparent, an uncle or an aunt to talk to. My brother is even more of a mess than me, so it is usually me ringing him to see if he is ok. He is not able to ring me and see if I am ok.

How can a counsellor help me being totally, totally alone? When you have no help at all, barely any family, life is a struggle

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angell84 · 06/09/2019 23:59

In my lofe I know of one other person other than me, who didn't have a Dad, and he is a complete mess too.
He is Insecure, angry, low achieving.

Love is like an energy, and it is incredibly hard to have a happy life when you had absolutely no love as a child.

I had no grandparents AT ALL
No father
No uncles or aunts AT ALL

It would have been nice to have had one person care about me.

I have felt my whole life, like I barely exist

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Climbmountains911 · 09/09/2019 20:41

I'm really with you on this OP as I lost my daughters dad to suicide and when I see good dads fighting for there children because the mum is spiting them it pees me off.
Maybe I should be angry at my daughters dad for leaving us like he did etc.. and don't get me wrong I get the odd day I am but I did love him and he is my daughters dad and where will anger get me really? I choose to honour he's memory. He was in pain and MH is a monster I suffer with it to but I have it under control.

My hats off to you 💖

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