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Mums stopping contact with Dads

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angell84 · 28/08/2019 23:40

I would just like to share my story, because it really might help some mum's to see the bigger picture - in allowing their child contact with their Dad.

My Dad was from England and my mum was from a different European country.
When they divorced we all lived in England for a time and she began to let us see him less and less. He had to go to court to fight for access. Can I add here that my Dad was a lovely man, and I wanted to see him every week - but I had no power or control. My mother had all the power.

She then took us to her home country of birth without his permission. He had police looking for us for a long time. She then lied to police that he had hit her. And told him that he would be arrested if he came to her country. She told us awful things about him

. She forced me to write letters to him saying awful things to him. I didnt want to write them. I had no say. I had no power to see my father whatsoever. Years passed and my teenage brother eventually had a break down and was put into an adolescent psychiatric unit. He told health workers there that he hadn't seem his dad in years and he needed to see them. They were finally able to make my mother allow my father to see us at the health centre. This was after five years. I still remember my Dad walking in, hugging us and hysterically crying. That is seared into my heart.

Then the war began again with him and my mother. She psychologically abused him into the ground. She would tell him we were going over for visits, then not let us go at the last minute, not tell him and make him drive hours to the airport and make him wait for us there. Again she made me write awful things to him.

My broke my father down and my father committed suicide three years ago. I am an adult now, every day I wake up in the morning - and my first thought is total pain and rage at all what happened. And pain and rage at the system that puts the mother's rights over the father's.

To mothers out there - you have the power. Please, please be compassionate and let the fathers of your children see their children. It causes unending pain to the father AND to the children when you seperate them.

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TanMateix · 31/08/2019 17:35

OP, there are far more dads blaming their exes for lack of contact as it is easier to say they are not allowed contact than explaining they do not give a shit about their own children. And this is a stereotype many single mums have to fight against as they seemed to be perceived wrongly.

You were in a very extreme situation with the luck of having a caring dad and the misfortune of an evil mum. But assuming that is always the mums who stop the contact is just plainly wrong. Most of us would be grateful for a dad who remembers to send a Christmas card or has the time to show up for contact or ensure the kids are ok.

I have seen some evil mums here destroying their kids out of jealousy of their exes moving on, but I have seen more mothers destroyed at being left holding the baby.
Having to raise a child who has been rejected by their own dad it is heartbreaking. So please try to be balanced, not all mums are like your mum and thankfully, not all dads are like my son’s dad who has not bothered to even send a birthday card at all for years but who tells everyone he loves his child dearly)

YouSayPotatoesISayVodka · 31/08/2019 17:40

Kerry katona’s ex was an active drug user when he died I believe. He’d exhibited some very disturbing in the year/months leading up to his death. KK certainly has a history of both but if she’s currently not using and social care have presumably deemed her fit to take care of all of her children (she is the RP for all 5 of them) then that’s that.

In actual fact, social care may well have stepped in and told Kerry she mustn’t let her daughter have contact with her dad. My ex wasn’t allowed contact with our children for nearly a year because social care wanted to establish if he was a risk or not (he is btw but not enough to not see the children in their eyes so he does).

Tbh, bringing up that case regarding KK and her ex cheapens your argument a bit. It’s nothing like what you described in your OP Confused

YouSayPotatoesISayVodka · 31/08/2019 17:41

very disturbing behaviour even.

angell84 · 31/08/2019 17:42

Hiya @tanmateix. I never said that all single mums are like my mum. And I am not even judging the single mums who ARE like my mum.
I just think that when marriages break up, people can do things to hurt the other parent without really thinking it through or seeing the long reaching effects. I would just like to share my story to get some people to see - that the quick things that you can do out of anger after a break up - can really affect a lot of people very,very badly.

Your situation is different to mine. I have total empathy for your situation aswell.

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angell84 · 31/08/2019 17:46

@YouSayPotatoesISayVodka. I didn't say George Kay's case was like mine. I am against any case of a child being kept from their parent.
Kerry has a long long history of mental health issues and drug abuse. Even when she was a known active user , her children were not taken off her.
So why wasn' George given supervised visit s with his daughter?

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Topseyt · 31/08/2019 18:18

Your story is a very sad one, OP. I do think you raise very valid points. I do hope that it hits home for some people. However, you need to balance it out a bit more.

There are, of course, women like your mother who withhold contact for no good reason and the effects can clearly be dreadful. There are also cases where it really is better that contact is suspended or withheld. Without wanting to go into detail, there is one such case in our wider family. The person who was denied contact was an abusive alcoholic. They were incapable of taking care of themselves, let alone the child.

I also know of an abusive father who was granted court ordered access despite the fact that social services deemed him unfit and his child feared him and didn't want to go. The upshot of that was that one night when he was in charge of the child (a boy of about 10 years old) he got drunk and decided that taking the boy in his pyjamas for a midnight walk down the central reservation of a motorway was a great idea!! He was caught by the police doing that and I think the courts finally listened to his mother and social services afterwards.

There are two sides to everything. Your story was a travesty and should clearly never have happened, your mother was vindictive and very wrong. There will undoubtedly be other such stories too, and all very sad.

However, there are also plenty of cases where where withholding contact is both justified and necessary.

I am very sorry to read of your poor father's suicide. That must be very hard to bear and I should think that it will be very difficult to forgive your mother for her part in it, even if you want to.

I hope you can find some peace somehow.

YouSayPotatoesISayVodka · 31/08/2019 18:25

I have no idea why George Kay wasn’t given contact with his daughter while he was off the rails. The only people who do are him, Kerry and whoever was presumably mediating.

I certainly don’t agree with F4J (who are a revolting group anyway) that Kerry “has blood on her hands”.

As an aside, poor mental health on its own is rarely the only reason given when residency/contact is denied.

Topseyt · 31/08/2019 18:34

Father's 4 Justice can seem to put across a valid argument, and I don't doubt that in some cases it is true that contact is being unjustifiably withheld.

However, I think that you have to look at a number of the cases and individuals involved. There can be a strong suspicion of abuse.

Mum56347 · 31/08/2019 18:37

" I would like to reassure you that this is a very extreme and rare case as it is actually very difficult for a resident parent to have enough power to stop the other parent seeing their children. "

It is not "very difficult" and it's not rare. It's actually very easy.

Mum56347 · 31/08/2019 18:56

" Your story is a very sad one, OP. I do think you raise very valid points. I do hope that it hits home for some people. However, you need to balance it out a bit more. " -Topseyt

Why should we balance this out? What if I started a discussion on deadbeat fathers? Would you say "we need to talk about child alienation too!" No you wouldn't.

So many are trying to change the subject. It's pathetic.

Lobsterquadrille2 · 31/08/2019 19:08

OP, what a horrible and tragic story. My heart goes out to you. I'm on the "other side" I'm so far as my DD's father has never wanted to see her (she is nearly 22) or paid a penny towards her. I wish that he could have have had more of your father's sentiments. I do have a former friend who was continually demanding more money from her children's father, while making it increasingly difficult for him to see them - but they were all in the same country, so the daughters realised what was going on as they grew older. I cannot understand why a child's best interests don't come first. I would have paid my ex just to send our DD the occasional birthday card.

I hope that you will have peace in time.

PicsInRed · 31/08/2019 23:56

Posting that story here is like going on a rape survivor forum, telling the story of the suicide of a falsely accused man and telling the victims on the forum that it's a bad idea to falsely accuse men.

The vast, vast, vast majority of the women on here would love to have an interested and involved (and not abusive) father to their children, unfortunately many of the fathers in question can't be arsed.

Very sad story, but tasteless choice of forum.

tigger001 · 01/09/2019 00:14

Posting that story here is like going on a rape survivor forum

Oh my god, I've heard it all now !!!!! Absolutely ridiculous statement.

OP your story is just heartbreaking. It's hard being a child going through a divorce/separation even when it's amicable, but this is horrendous.

My cousin still doesn't know who her father is, she now has a child herself and the family have closed ranks and refusing to tell her, she never had to suffer any of the horrors you have, but I don't think some parents realise the damage they do their children.

One of my friends (at the time, NC now ) got so involved in punishing her ex, with giving him NC with their daughter she was completely blinded in the damage she was doing to her. Just very sad.

I hope you try to find a way through and talk to someone who can help with that process. Ignore everyone else with no empathy or feeling.

angell84 · 01/09/2019 00:21

Thank you @Tigger001

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BoopBoopedooBoo · 01/09/2019 00:26

I am so sorry for your loss. Reading that, I felt it right in my stomach, I am so so sorry you lost him and that he was driven to that by your mum.

I had to make an ex take me to court to try and make sure there was an order in place because he would only see my DC when it suited him and it was detrimental to them. In the end though, the abuse was too much and he would happily have people think I'm keeping DC from him but the truth is that he isn't allowed to see DC because of domestic violence and questionable incidents against DC when DC was too young to say what actually happened (but the ex stupidly (for him) send DC home with evidence.

So, I tried to foster a relationship for my DC despite my better instincts. The ex was a charming person who easily pulled the wool over people's eyes, as is typical with an abuser like that. My DC is older now and has a wonderful step-dad.

I can't believe the lengths your mum went to to keep you from him, and making you write those letters, that makes me feel sick. If my mother or father had done this to me, then as soon as I became an adult I would seek to have him or her charged with abuse and stop him or her from ever putting anyone else through anything again.

I really hope you are able to get through this eventually. And again, I'm so, so sorry for your loss. Flowers

Topseyt · 01/09/2019 02:04

Why should we balance this out? What if I started a discussion on deadbeat fathers? Would you say "we need to talk about child alienation too!" No you wouldn't

Of course you have to balance it out. OP says she is against all cases of a child being kept from a parent. That is fair when you consider her own sad case and others like it, but there are cases where the other parent is abusive (or deadbeat, as you say) and continued contact is not in the child's best interest. I gave a couple of examples that I am personally aware of in my post.

Contact should never be withheld as a means to be vindictive towards a good and reasonable parent (OP's mother did this and should not have). However, that doesn't mean that there are no cases (serious abuse etc.) where a child needs to be protected from the other parent. In those cases it is reasonable to withhold contact.

ThighThighOfthigh · 01/09/2019 04:54

I feel really sorry for you OP.

Parent999 · 01/09/2019 06:21

Like I said OP, deaf ears.

Its hopeless, they will ignore, gaslight, finger point and attack motives.

Until the law removes their ability “to allow or disallow someone to be a parent” they won’t change, and suicide in hopeless men will stay the same.

angell84 · 01/09/2019 09:24

I woke up this morning and cried about it again.
Generally I wake up and think straight away
:All of the wasted years. All those precious years when I could have known him. Years that I can never get back.Pain at the separation from him.
Anger at my mother.
Pain at my father's deep pain. How much he was destroyed.

Counselling has never helped me in the past. I am not sure how to heal from it? Maybe I will just try to keep insanely busy so I do not have a moment to think

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PoffleWaffleWoo · 01/09/2019 09:27

They said that George Kay, Kerry katonas ex killed himself, because she would not let him see his daughter for over a year

George Kay was abusive. I wouldn't have let my kids see him either.

PoffleWaffleWoo · 01/09/2019 09:30

I am against any case of a child being kept from their parent.

Really? Even in cases where there is abuse? I would take a good look at women's aid's child first campaign if I were you.

Look at this woman's story, and tell me if you think this man should have had contact with his sons.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/07/he-saw-our-children-as-possessions-my-husband-killed-our-sons

angell84 · 01/09/2019 10:21

Alright. I agree. I change my stance.

I agree that very abusive people should be kept away from the child.

If they are not abusive, I don't agree with any parent being kept away from their child, mum or dad

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PoffleWaffleWoo · 01/09/2019 10:46

If they are not abusive, I don't agree with any parent being kept away from their child, mum or dad

The problem is that many are not obviously abusive to the courts until they do something dreadful per the above. Emotional abuse is often not recognised.

PoffleWaffleWoo · 01/09/2019 10:46

Also there's no such thing as "very" abusive vs moderate or mild abuse. Abuse is abuse.

angell84 · 01/09/2019 10:58

@pofflewofflewoo. I disagree - there is a difference.

If the parent is violent and there is a threat to the child's life . That is very abusive.

In the George Kay case, Kerry said that she stopped her child from seeing the farher because he was abusive, because he was a cocaine user and was mentally ill.

She was also a cocaine user and was mentally ill. So who decided thst he was more abusive than her?
It is a simple case again of the mum having more rights han the dad, his behaviour beig called abusive, her behaviour being cslled okay - because she is a woman

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