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I want to appeal CSA decision.

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Essexmumof3 · 13/02/2011 00:28

Ex and I split up 8 years ago - we had an arrangement for him to pay £300 a month maintenance for our DD which he kept to.
DD started secondary school in September and costs rose for lunches, school bus, trips and going out at weekends with friends etc... teenagers are expensive!!
I asked ex for more money to help but he said he couldn't afford it as he has a new wife and 2 other children.
I contacted the CSA and they have done an assessment on him and have come back with £14 a week maintenance !!! How can anyone cope on that? It's a joke - she costs me that a day. I asked them to look at it again and they have come back and said they believe the amount is correct but I can appeal if I want to.
If he could manage £300 a month before surely he shouldn't pay any less now - ex is saying he will pay what CSA want and no more but I can't meet the bills on £60 a month. I know his new wife works so they must have more income than that.
Has anyone else appealed a CSA decision? How does the system work? Is it enough to show what he was paying previously as proof he can afford more? Even if it goes back to £300 a month it would be better.

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corlan · 13/02/2011 22:53

Essexmum - you are the kind of woman that gives single parents a bad name. I can barely believe you're for real!

mj1moreornotthatisthequestion · 13/02/2011 22:53

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evolucy7 · 13/02/2011 22:54

But essexmum....until you went to the CSA he was still paying you £300, and you say they have had the set up of him working part time for years, if they were trying to pay less by that arrangement he would have gone to the CSA himself wouldn't he Hmm

Truckulente · 13/02/2011 22:54

He can't be avoiding the CSA.

This set up has been the same for years.

You went to the CSA so how could he have arranged this to avoid the CSA? By seeing into the future?

mamatomany · 13/02/2011 22:55

Essex the truth is not many people get any child support, it's bull shit of course it is but the attitude because of how badly the British CSA is run is that if you get anything be grateful, my ex is Australian and the CSA out there give them three months to pay before putting an attachment of earnings onto their tax returns, if they don't earn enough to keep their child by playing the system they take what the child needs first and the man or woman has to survive on what is left.

LessNarkyPuffin · 13/02/2011 22:55

Wow. This can't possibly be real can it. I'm so sorry for all the lone parents who get shit as a result of people's anger at individuals like this and who have genuine problems getting financial support from their ex.

evolucy7 · 13/02/2011 23:00

mamatomany...is that really what they do in Australia? What sort of an amount do they use then?

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SoftKittyWarmKitty · 13/02/2011 23:00

I've just been eating some coco pops (supermarket own brand, naturally, because I only get £12.50 per month maintenance Wink), and having a think about this. I'm assuming your new partner works as he contributes to rent and bills. You receive child benefit for 2 of your 3 children (was all 3 until recently), you get tax credits, until recently you were receiving £300 child support for your DD, plus child support for the other two (I'm not sure how much but it must be equal to or more than this because if it wasn't I'm sure you'd be going to the CSA about it). I could be wrong but in my honest opinion you must be rolling in it!

Your DDs dad works part time in an evening job, he has clearly been assessed correctly but still you want to push for a variation and go to appeal. IMO this is a waste of precious resources. No wonder the CSA are introducing charges where we have to pay to reapply for our own cases and pay a monthly fee, when people like you are wasting CSA money left, right and centre. You took a risk and it didn't pay off. You now need to deal with it and look for ways to save money, or look for a job.

I'm off to bed now - got to get up at 6am as I've got work tomorrow.

PatriciaHolm · 13/02/2011 23:01

"I do think that their set up of his wife working full time and him not is a way of evading the CSA system." Which they decided on several years ago just in case you ever decided to go that route, but continued to voluntarily pay over the odds for a few more years? Hardly likely.

Their children are younger - then maybe they do need a parent at home more, and he's fulfilling that role. Yours are older, teenagers, they don't need you around 24/7, you are probably in the better place to get a job. And anyway, CSA payments are for maintenance of the child, not you; they are not intended to pay for you to be unemployed.

You gambled, and lost. From what you've said, the CSA calculation is likely to be right. All you can do now is try and have a civil conversation with your ex and be honest that you are hurting financially because of it.

RailwayChild · 13/02/2011 23:05

I am a LP who has been given no CM from an evasive father. I've never stopped contact. I work full time and I never slag their father off in front of them. This thread is depressing atrring LP with all the same attitude.

It's not about the father's responsibility
It's not about looking after DC who need mum at home
It's not about fairness
It's not about what is right for your daughter (because she can never have 8 years of relationship with her father back)
It's about you avoiding work tbh isn't it?

doubleease · 13/02/2011 23:07

£300 pm and you wanted more? Oh dear.

You'll just have to tighten your belt especially if, as you say, DD costs you £14 a day!!Shock

I manage by working two jobs with maintainance of £170 pcm. And I think my ex pays over the odds considering he has my DD for three nights a week and has a new baby with his DP.

RailwayChild · 13/02/2011 23:07

tarring

Niceguy2 · 13/02/2011 23:08

I don't get why so many on here are telling me I should get a job - why shouldn't my ex go out and get a full time job then he could contribute more again?

doubleease · 13/02/2011 23:08

corlan She's not a single mum. She has a partner.

mamatomany · 13/02/2011 23:10

evolucy7 - I don't know about the exact calculations because my aussie ex earns a lot but another friends ex tried to wriggle out of paying by saying he earnt say £20k and they said fine the child needs £15k where you find the additional to live is your problem - but he was a complete tit so I suspect they knew he wasn't earning £20k in the first place.

Essexmumof3 · 13/02/2011 23:11

Mamatomany does the australian system work on a percentage of income of the NRP only too or do they include all household income.

Truckulente yes you are right he couldn't have planned it but I still feel it should be all income considered not just his. My partner isnt a high earner so even if they looked at his too it probably would increase the assessment. I am so wound up about this. I thought I'd get some help and advice here on the lone parents thread.

Fwiw my partner thinks I should let it go too.
I have got used to that money over the years and now it's gone. I have tried to be a good mum to my daughter and I have brought her up alone. I just want to keep her standard of living the same.

Its been useful to hear some of you have won appeals though but I'm not sure I'd want to go to a tribunal.

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Niceguy2 · 13/02/2011 23:13

I am so wound up about this.

mamatomany · 13/02/2011 23:15

No it's the NRP's income alone - you can't expect another woman to pay for your child you really can't.
I do feel a bit sorry for you because you've been through a lot but it's time to move on.
Go to him and ask for the £300 a month to be reinstated, he may say no but I think that's your best bet I really do.

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 13/02/2011 23:15

"SoftKitty what I meant when I said his circumstances haven't changed is that they haven't changed recently. He has been working part-time for a few years, it's not only just happened."
Then what I said earlier still stands - you should be grateful to his wife for helping to support you your kids for the past few years since your ex went part time.

"If he had reduced the money when he lost his job then ok, but he didn't. I assumed they kept it up through guilt."
He didn't reduce the money because he sounds like a good man who wants to support his DD, despite not being allowed to see her. You are still on about him/them being guilty - I'm assuming because he left you for her - and I say again, you need to move on from this.

"I don't get why so many on here are telling me I should get a job - why shouldn't my ex go out and get a full time job then he could contribute more again?"
Because as you've clearly stated he's an older man claiming a pension and no doubt wants to enjoy his (partial) retirement and spend time with his kids. You know, the ones he's able to see. He has worked full time and now part time, and he's still contributing to your DDs upbringing. You, meanwhile, have not had a job for 16 years. Stop watching Jeremy Kyle and get applying for jobs.

"Like a few of you say it works both ways."
You said it.

"Their children are younger so they could get childcare tax credits I can't because my children are older so Id have to pay childcare from any wages."
You'll be entitled to working tax credits as you have kids at school. Look into it a bit more or go to the job centre for advice. But you won't will you, because you've got every excuse under the sun for why other people/the state should pay for your kids but you shouldn't have to work. It's time you started to take responsibility for your own finances, starting with getting a job.

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mamatomany · 13/02/2011 23:17

I just want to keep her standard of living the same.

And that is within your control, get yourself an income that is never dependent on anyone else, not the state or a man, it's the best way.

mj1moreornotthatisthequestion · 13/02/2011 23:18

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NonnoMum · 13/02/2011 23:19

OP - you'll have to tell your DD that she can't go out at weekends as you can't be arsed to get a job.
Tell her also that her stepfather doesn't make any contribution to living in your house so he can't help either.
Your eldest child (or young adult) who has left education presumably now works and contributes to the household income?
And tell her that her father has consistently contributed to her upkeep these past several years and it might be time for her to meet him again.

corlan · 13/02/2011 23:19

'I just want to keep her standard of living the same.'

Oh but you can - you could even improve it. It's called earning a living through gainful employment - in short, a job.

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