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Richmond Borough Schools Chat 7

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muminlondon2 · 09/05/2015 11:29

Lots and lots of discussions on local schools and education issues preceded this thread, including Richmond Borough Schools Chat 6.

Anyone who wants to carry on that discussion, and offer information and opinions (without being moderated by any particular individual or interest group, bearing in mind all the usual mumsnet guidelines about respect and not getting personal, etc.) - feel free.

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muminlondon2 · 17/06/2015 19:35

So how would 30 hours a week work for children in nursery classes or school? Where they currently offer afternoon or morning sessions, will that mean they have to offer full-time places on demand, meaning fewer children can actually benefit from nursery education with fully qualified teaching staff? Or will they have to supply portakabins and ship them out for the afternoon for a play session with cheaper/less experienced childcare staff, or let them have naps (since they are usually exhausted), calling it wraparound care? I think Lord True does understand the problems for existing nursery schools.

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muminlondon2 · 18/06/2015 14:55

Guardian article on Maths Mastery - teaching methods used in Singapore and adopted by the Ark academy chain.

Which does seem to be particularly effective if a comparison of 2014 Maths GCSE scores for Ark Putney, Waldegrave and Richmond academies is anything to go by.

GCSE A-C

ARK Putney - 89%
Waldegrave - 83%
RPA - 58%

VA scores may be a fairer comparison

ARK Putney - 1003.8 (low 1011.3, middle 1005.3, high 1003.1)
Waldegrave - 1002.0 (low 1002.5, middle 1003.0, high 1003.4)
RPA - 994.6 (low 995.5, middle 996.2, high 997.4)

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Heathclif · 18/06/2015 19:51

Well he would mum . Anne Marie True runs two nursery schools, one of which she has been running extremely professionally for decades www.barnesmontessori.co.uk/about-us/our-staff.php

muminlondon2 · 18/06/2015 23:37

Yes, I knew about Mrs/Lady True and the Montessori nursery, and Lord Nicholas mentioned her in HL speeches. Governments haven't opened new state nursery schools for years, relying on the private sector, but aren't reimbursing them to a level that would afford and attract experienced and trained early years educators. Even the programme of 15 hours of free childcare/education (however the politicians may view it) is underfunded.

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LProsser · 19/06/2015 09:22

I think this is yet another completely unthought through announcement isn't it?! I know locally that there aren't enough places in nurseries already and parents with private nursery places aren't actually all getting 15 hours free as the subsidy paid by LB Richmond is so inadequate. When the announcement was made this was billed as something to help mothers back into work which might be a bit more achievable with 30 hours than 15 (which spread over 5 days is barely enough to get to work and back for a lot of people let alone do any work!) Without building more state nurseries this seems completely unachievable and, given that all the primary school sites have been filled with more older children, I can't see how it can happen.

ChrisSquire2 · 19/06/2015 10:45

This is my letter in this week’s RTT (p 10):

Jane Harrison’s description of the un- or under-used sites in the Old Deer Park for a school is timely (Letters June 12). The Park is Crown land, let on long leases which happen to expire next April. This is a rare opportunity to review and change the uses we make of this asset to better fit modern needs.

The Richmond and Kew Societies published The Old Deer Park, Richmond: A Framework For Conservation And Enhancement in 2012 describing the parts into which the Park is divided and detailing the leaseholders and the their leases. The main part (73 acres of parkland) is on a Council lease which expires next April, as does those on the car park south of the A316 (5 acres), the swimming pool (4 acres), the athletics association’s 25 acres and the cricket club’s 15 acres, partly sublet for other sports. Other parts are on longer leases.

They intended this report to spark a vigorous public conversation about the park’s future. Instead, there have been three years of silence. The Council has, apparently, done and said nothing; the existing vested interests have no doubt been lobbying behind the scenes for new leases on the same favourable terms as before. It may be that the plan is to announce a fait accompli at the last moment and tell the public that this is the only deal possible.

This is a scandalous missed opportunity to build a school where one is desperately needed, in an actual park, instead of misnaming a converted office block on a main road. Two of North Richmond’s silent councillors, Cllrs Blakemore and Speak, are cabinet members, and presumably have some clue about what’s happening behind the scenes. Let them break their silence and inform us, the residents, what the council is doing about the Deer Park.
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Letters of support to the RTT would be helpful.

auntieC75 · 19/06/2015 11:57

In view of today's news that a stowaway fell from a plane on to the roof of a building in Richmond on the A316, surely Deer Park School's idea of a playground on the roof at London House is not a good idea.

AbsintheAndChips · 19/06/2015 13:37

I thought exactly that when I read the story!

LProsser · 19/06/2015 14:10

Hi, have heard via a newsletter that there's a public meeting of some sort tonight at St Mark's Church in Teddington to discuss building on Udney Park Playing Fields - linked also to the Hampton Wick by-election. Friends of Udney Park Playing Fields are preparing to re-submit their application to register the fields as an asset of community value on the basis that more local sports clubs and schools now use the fields and that the application can no longer be refused on the basis that the principal use is by Imperial College not the community. Imperial College is now thought to be in negotiation with a preferred bidder who is not Harlequins or Space2Play and may be a housing developer.

ChrisSquire2 · 19/06/2015 14:27

RTT Online has: UPDATE: Stowaway falls to his death in Richmond after clinging to British Airways plane for 8,000 miles

He fell onto NotOnTheHighStreet.com's offices, 63 Kew Road.

muminlondon2 · 19/06/2015 15:19

The Whitton Against Turing House website is active again with rumours of more investigation into access to the Heathfiekd site and it being a 'done deal'. Meanwhile, in Hounslow, Floreat Brentford have been given the green light at a planning meeting for a 125-year lease on Brent Lea Recreation Ground which is not only Metropolitan Open Land but also has a covenant restricting use to recreational purposes.

'Ridiculous' plan for new school on Brentford Park move a step closer

I really don't see how Teddington Friends of UP can stop the building of a school meant to be for North Teddington pupils - better than unaffordable housing - but judging from other insane choices by the EFA in our borough it may all be down to money. But clearly the best place for Turing House is in Teddington where the pupils are. All eyes on Tania Mathias.

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auntieC75 · 19/06/2015 15:32

If anyone thinks that the London House site for Deer Park School is a bad choice then look at Richmond Council website and there is a petition for signing which points out the reasons - traffic, pollution, no parking, poor access and no room for a playground etc. You have a chance to have your say.

MrsSalvoMontalbano · 19/06/2015 15:36

Sadly a lot of the negative features of the site are just what you get living in a big city. Many worse sites house primary schools - you will never now get a leafy nirvana unless you move to the country.

MrsSalvoMontalbano · 19/06/2015 15:39

And it really is scraping the barrel to seize on the unfortunate one-off tragedy of a person who fell from a plane to claim that the site is unsuitable because people will be falling from planes into the playground Hmm

Heathclif · 19/06/2015 15:57

mum I totally agree with you, and Lottie, and even Lord True on the Nursery provision. More spin without workable substance. At least on this one Lord True is getting sound advice from someone he listens to.

I tend to agree that schools are going to have to be crammed into sites that previously would not have been considered but also that the London House site is particularly pushing the limits especially given it's closeness to Darrell.

I drove past the Sempervirens Nursery recently and as a school site it strikes me it has fewer access problems than Clifden Road. It is at least served by a two lane road, the safety audit on the main gates of the Clifden site pointed up that there was a risk of a collision as a result of the narrow exit into a narrow road and the response is that there hasn't been one so far so it isn't an issue Hmm Well not when it was a college with traffic spread through the day, or has just two year groups in the senior and primary school, but what when it has over a 1000 pupils traveling from all over the borough and Strathmore with all the pupils arriving and leaving by bus both at each end of the day and when being taken for Hydrotherapy etc. There is going to have to be some concessions made by residents to meet the need for school places but equally there needs to be a much more proactive approach to minimising the impact of these schools.

I fear it always was a risk that the Udney Park site would represent just too much potential profit to developers who with deep pockets will be prepared to take the Planning process beyond the control of LBRUT. There are some pretty firm provisions in the London Planning Framework in favour of development, though possibly not in favour of multi million pound houses beyond the pockets of the people at the sharp end of the housing crisis.

muminlondon2 · 19/06/2015 16:30

If it's the least worst option and the site in Whitton goes ahead, the school will have to think really seriously about its admission policy and relationship with the community. And Kunskapsskokan is going to have to think very carefully about its future in Richmond borough, too.

Agree with you heathclif that London House stretches the limits in terms of location on A316 and lack of parking/playground, but most of all, it really is too close to Darell. GEMS Twickenham Academy is also an inappropriate site in terms of parking, access, etc. and impact of all that on neighbours. Their website has no news yet on the building funding agreement. One post by GEMS suggests they have 'interim planning permission' but that's just the regulations allowing them to get by for a year with no planning permission at all.

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DonsDrapers · 19/06/2015 19:53

I actually think the stowaway incident is relevant for the Deer Park school. A body was found in Homebase car park a few years ago and another on the gas works across the road before that. This is in addition to the one in Mortlake. So that's 4 in a relatively short space of time sadly. The location is exactly where the pilots open the landing gear, I know this from a pilot and at peak times they are landing every 90 secs.

It's an unsuitable site on many any levels.

MrsSalvoMontalbano · 20/06/2015 07:16

The one on the 'Homebase' car park was actually on the Sainsbury's site when it was still the gas works - hardly a 'short' time ago. If planes are landing every 90seconds for many years that's inifinitesimal odds - and none have actually landed on the Deer Park. On this 'logic' the whole of that areas should be flattened and no-one allowed there.
There will in any case be increase vigilance, particularly if airlines are fined very large amounts of money for not checking the planes before take-off.
Utterly ridiculous logic for campaigning against a school at a time when places will be increasingly needed.

Heathclif · 20/06/2015 11:37

Feedback on last night's meeting on Udney Park from the Whitton against Turing site, obviously this is their take on the meeting but if what they say is true LBRUT have come out firmly against a school on the site, and Tania, now safely elected has now forgotten her proactive support for the objectors to the school being in Whitton Hmm Angry it is a shame because Udney was definitely the least worst option for parents and those who have worked so hard to bring Turing into being , and if these developers get their way the Teddington residents as well. Ultimately LBRUT have limited power to stop the development, if the developer is willing to bid ££££££££s then they will also take it to the Planning Commission and if necessary the Secretary of State and must have advice they have a good chance of success.

"Tania Mathias Meeting tonight at St Mark’s Church, Teddington was a washout. No real info obtained except Imperial College have received a knock out (speculative) bid from a private developer;
The Harlequins and Space2Play are out of the running.
I did learn that the covenant on the Imperial College Playing Fields that all their supporters (friends of Udney Park, Space2Play, etc) were spouting about in their defence to keep their field is actually time served. There is no more covenant, it is just a piece of grass.
At the meeting Tania Mathias stayed silent regarding Udney Park, the Council Spokesman did say that they would not support any application for housing or a school on the site. Jon Hollis, Tania’s possible replacement for Hampton Wick seemed a complete lost cause, when questioned on his view of Udney Park all he said was “parking issues”
So, previously Tania Mathias states that “I would not support this site for such a school in Whitton”, further adding "As far as I am aware Richmond Council has not dismissed any sites", clearly not the case as we heard tonight. Jon Hollis stated that he doesn’t support a school on Imperial College site (now probably irrelevant) Where does that leave Turing House ?
Richmond Council are urging the EFA to secure the Whitton Site, what a bloody mess. If the Imperial College site does get sold to a developer then there is only one option left, Whitton !
1 Away from the centre of need,
2 Teddington parents unhappy,
3 Whitton parents unhappy
4 Twickenham academy destabilised
5 Destruction of Metropolitan Open Land
6 Further traffic chaos
7 Construction traffic for upto TWO YEARS
8 6 schools already in the immediate area of Whitton site with over 2,600 children.
Turing House Visionary Free School, did anyone envision this mess ?"

Glad to see the objectors officially don't subscribe to the Turing bashing we have seen here.

Heathclif · 20/06/2015 12:43

And as the Teddington residents are doubtless coming to realise the London Planning framework is in favour of development to meet the area of greatest housing need, 1 and 2 bedroom flats....... Suddenly a school on the site must seem infinitely preferable.

muminlondon2 · 20/06/2015 13:06

This is really about money and the highest bidder then? It's still not clear whether the EFA has actually put in a bid for TH though.

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Jellytoto · 20/06/2015 13:15

We have a Turing offer for Sept and got an email on Thurs to say the EFA hadn't been succesful in getting UPR and they didn't know who has got it. Rumours at school that it could be St Mary's uní. Would be surprised if Imperial accepted a sttp bid trom a developer given the council's stance on the planning but maybe they see holes in that. Its interesting what they said about the covenants on that blog Heathcliff.

foxinsocks · 20/06/2015 13:19

I have the horror now of sixth form applications when none of the sixth forms in the borough now offer the full subject choices. Esher College does but now we don't get preference coming from RuT anymore because we have sixth forms.

Dd absolutely desperate to do Classical Civilisation - her absolute passion - except they don't offer it in RuT but do at Esher ARGHHHH!

foxinsocks · 20/06/2015 13:22

Ps my children have all gone through the state system in RuT. Dd my eldest.

Just looked at Kingston Grammar (as they also offer Classical Civilisation) - it's £5810 a term before lunches/extras and I imagine that's the norm for private schools. How on earth do people afford it especially when they have more than one!

Jellytoto · 20/06/2015 13:39

*stpp

Praps a wily investor has bought it betting that if they can't get planning they'll still make money selling it on later. It can't have been too hard to outbid a few community groups and a penny pinching government agency.